From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #189 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, July 12 2005 Volume 08 : Number 189 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: The Who at Live 8 ["John Hobson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: The Who at Live 8 [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Not a cheeky bootleg ["Tear Alistair (ST)" ] [idealcopy] RE: [Idealcopy]OT Live 8 (long live IC)and my bizarre night in Birmingham [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] Keith Morris RIP ["Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: The Who at Live 8 Townsend was a voyeur rather than Glitter who was physically abusing. There seems to be a case reported a week down here resulting from the police action and the voyeurs generally get the same sentence/punishment as Townsend. Must admit I had to smirk when at the finale he was behind the African Kids Choir. However, I thought the Who performance was excellent on the night, but nobody mentioned it. Townsend is definately down the tubes reputation wise and I can't see any R Kelly forgiveness coming his way. I think he let down an entire generation. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith A" To: Cc: "ideal copy" Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:26 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: The Who at Live 8 > No, he received a police caution for it, which involves an acceptance of > guilt. He said he viewed it for research purposes - I seem to recall he > said > he was planning his autobiography and that he'd been abused as a child. I > don't know how many pictures were on it or how bad they were (these things > are graded apparently), but I've always felt he's got off very lightly - > especially when you compare him to Gary Glitter. I guess being considered > a > spokesman for a generation rather than a figure of fun helps. I don't care > what his excuse is. I think he's a twat. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:40:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Not a cheeky bootleg http://www.wireviews.com/ __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:59:13 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: The Who at Live 8 >>However, I thought the Who performance was excellent on the night, but nobody mentioned it. << Surprised nobody has mentioned just what actually comprises "the Who" these days. The band at Live 8 was Daltrey & Townsend, 'Rabbit' Bundrick on keyboards plus half of Ocean Colour Scene and Paul Weller's drummer (ie The Paul Weller Group). Better than Pino Palladino I suppose. Must have been some kind of wet dream come true for the OCS blokes, who I thought did a good job especially the bassist. The Ox's shoes are big ones to fill. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:03:03 +0100 From: "Tear Alistair (ST)" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Not a cheeky bootleg I wouldn't get too excited about this (as far as Bruce's contribution goes anyway) As I recall, Bruce sat out the performance and took part in the final number only certainly no more than a couple so, one for only the most determined BCG completist A > > > http://www.wireviews.com/ > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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After the first song he asked if there was someone in the audience he could trust to lend his camera to make some pictures that are promised to be soon on the http://www.githead.com/. I don't know if the man in front of me who took the camera was a set-up. Malka Spigel sang so close to the microphone that she got an electric shock, but still kept on playing the base tremendously. Guitar-craftsman Robin Rimbaud announced that the band had difficulties to get out of London with the bombings of the day before, on which Colin ironically added that he would go around with the hat after the concert. The most of the audience existed of woman (where as Wire was allways such a boys thing) and the most of them had brown hair, either curly, or made into curls seemingly by a machine they make Belgian Waffles with. Most of them all turned out to be fans of the new drummer Max Franken, who was loudly sheered when the band came back on stage twice. He is not only a very good drummer, but also a perfect host of the afterparty in the basement, constantly serving us all drinks (what is the main reason to write this report of sheer joy three days later). This band is very together. Githead is swinging like a train on a hilly country. If you don't come down to see them they should be playing somewhere near you in the future years. Well anyhow, I guess anyone should introduce thereselve with their first post. My name is Erik (refered to by Colin as "the tall guy" - probally as I was standing to close to the stage to see the rest of the audience). Excuse me for my bad English but it is not my first language. I have been a Wire-fan since the early eighthies, since just before they suddenly re-appeared, so that made me a bit of a neo those days. How do I got to know them? By friends of course. Someone gave me for my 16 and a half birthday the John Peel 12" 'Crazy about love', what is still on of my many favourite Wire-songs (and texts). Nobody will believe this so it's true: on September 11th, 2001, I was walking down the stairs of a bar in Taipeh, Taiwan (so there it was the 12th), where they were playing 'Chairs missing': how many dead or alive? EL - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tear Alistair (ST)" To: "Wire (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: FW: [idealcopy] Not a cheeky bootleg > Sorry folks > I completely misunderstood this > > I'll get back in my box > > A > > > > I wouldn't get too excited about this > (as far as Bruce's contribution goes anyway) > > As I recall, Bruce sat out the performance > and took part in the final number only > certainly no more than a couple > > so, one for only the most determined BCG completist > > A > > >> >> >> http://www.wireviews.com/ >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Yahoo! Mail for Mobile >> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! 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Forewarned is forearmed. > > Thanks, Alistair! Yes, the train ride is only $21. Looking forward to that great railway journey even more now. > > (And on the topic of IC, it> '> s fine the way it is; can> '> t see how it could be improved by any sort of reorginizing. Sure, I could do without the British football talk*, but even then I do get a certain strange pleasure from reading whole paragraphs of English and not understanding a word.) > > Robert (another) > > * Though I was enjoying the rugby talk a few years ago when I was able to follow the it. > > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:52:44 +0100 > From: "Tear Alistair (ST)" > Subject: FW: [idealcopy] Traveling > > //"British stag and hen parties" in Tallinn??? > > And also in Riga now, according to a recent R4 programme... > > anywhere Ryanair does cheap flights to is a potential target > for loathsome British scum in search of cheap beer... > (not that I've got anything against cheap beer...;-) > but these fuckwits just don't know how to behave > > I had to change hotels in Prague last year > to get away from a gang of pissed, foulmouthed Manc chavs > These retards are a fucken' national disgrace... > > On a happier note - I hear that the train ride from Tallin to St Petersburg > is something else - one of the great railway journeys - and costs about > a fiver > > have a great one Rob > > A > > > > > ****************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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You certainly speak for me. > > Robert (another) > > Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:45:37 -0400 > From: Frank Coleman > Subject: [idealcopy] OT: The attacks in London > > Terrible news today. > > As an American, as a New Yorker, and most of all as a human being, I'm > sure I speak for everybody in sending my profound sadness and deepest > condolences to our British friends. > > best, > FBC > > > ****************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:28:42 -0700 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Washing Your Clothes > I moved accross town a few months ago and one of the features of this new abode is that I am doing the laundry in a laundrymat for the first time in years. I> '> ve chosen Little Bubbles Coin Wash. Recently I was the only one in the place and, for the first time, my washer the only machine running. Eventually I noticed it was making this lovely sound: there was the gentle spin, spin, spin bit, and there was also a longer undulating sound under it all that which cycled over maybe half a minute. The sound was complex and very soothing, some really fine ambient industrial music. I'm thinking, this could be a Bruce Gilbert album. (Does anyone know what> '> s he> '> s up to? Is he is well.) > > Ok, they> '> e big, but why haven> '> t we seen washers and dryers on stage, (Blixa)? Ok, I> '> ll get back to packing . . . . > > Robert (another) > > > ****************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:41:55 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Washing Your Clothes >>The sound was complex and very soothing, some really fine ambient industrial music. I'm thinking, this could be a Bruce Gilbert album. << Or a Charles Hayward album! < Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: The Who at Live 8 We have to tread carefully here. Keith A's right to say accepting a caution is a tacit admission of guilt. It's also pertinent to point out that many, many abusERS were also the abuSED as children. Fact. IMHO:- research?? Bollocks. I don't think so, PERSONALLY. And I *always* thought he was a twat, even before this grubby little interlude. ;-) far arden wrote: could you clarify "he's got off very lighly"? are these things apparently graded too? i heard the evidence wouldn't stand up in court and that he'd fired his solicitor claiming he could get himself off. one "thing" that he didn't "hold" in common with pee wee herman was the excuse "the usher asked to see my stub" cheers then ari........e-me you want list! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith A" To: Cc: "ideal copy" Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: The Who at Live 8 > > Re - you couldn't resist changing the lyrics : > > - wasn't Townshend acquitted of all charges ? > > Sean. > > > No, he received a police caution for it, which involves an acceptance of > guilt. He said he viewed it for research purposes - I seem to recall he said > he was planning his autobiography and that he'd been abused as a child. I > don't know how many pictures were on it or how bad they were (these things > are graded apparently), but I've always felt he's got off very lightly - > especially when you compare him to Gary Glitter. I guess being considered a > spokesman for a generation rather than a figure of fun helps. I don't care > what his excuse is. I think he's a twat. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:26:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: [idealcopy] RE: [Idealcopy]OT Live 8 (long live IC)and my bizarre night in Birmingham This is a LONG post, decidedly off-topic, and which veers from "my strange Saturday night in the middle of a bomb scare", to a Van der Graaf gig, and a few twitterings about Live 8 en route . If you don't have time, just hit delete:- it's what your middle finger's for, among other things....... ;-) Keith Knight wrote: God, Live 8 seems like a long time ago. After a week involving Olympic victory, bombings and two Van Der Graaf gigs (our own Derek White was last seeing legging it for Leicester station last night after my singular failure to find how to drive up to it - hope you made it back OK, Derek) //// Err, well, I didn't make it back home, but when I left your good self , my night turned, quite surreal, frankly . When I peered at the departure board, the last train back to Manchester via Sheffield had long gone, but, on the grounds that it has more amenities such as gallons of hot coffee, and more nooks and crannies to settle down in and grab some shut-eye whilst awaiting your onward connection, I decided to get the 11-40service for Birmingham New Street............... Arguably, not one of my better decisions. When we got to Brum, (at around 5 past midnight) only three people were decanted from the train, and two of those rapidly disappeared, leaving me to wander about the platform. Two things were immediately apparent :- 1) The buffet was shut, so no chance of my caffeine hit, and 2) It was *really*, *really* quiet. Astonishingly so, given the number of clubs and restaurants in the vicinity of New St. station. Still, I had more immediate concerns. Apart from myself, I saw a distant guy in a railman's uniform buzzing about the only train in sight, which wasn't going anywhere. It had powered down and dropped it's pantograph off of the wires. There was zero info on the departure screens, and from what I could work out from the timetable, I was going to be there for some hours. The wealth of Northbound traffic I hoped to find simply wasn't there, so out came the sleeping bag and walkman and I setteled down to sleep. Radio four is a reliably soporific, so I switched the Walkman's radio on. ....blah blah blah "and this evening, the entire city centre of Birmingham was emptied by police acting on 'credible information that lives were at risk', and some 20,000 people were evacuated from the city centre..........." There was the sound of a penny landing with a resounding "clang", after dropping a very long way indeed. "So *that's* why it's so darned quiet........" I looked around, saw no 'suspect devices' in the waiting room, and resolved that if I was very very quiet, maybe no-one would spot I was there and leave me be. Wrong, on both counts. About five minutes after this radio-borne epiphany, a rather surprised young security guard entered the waiting room and said "I'm sorry sir, but you'll have to leave the station, as we've been instructed to close it down. Not just that, but you'll have to get right outside the city centre, outside the police cordon.....I'm sorry about that" . I told him of my being stranded 200 miles from home, but to no avail:he said he had no choice:- I'd have to leave....... Emerging from the station, I looked around. It was pretty eerie, being the only person in sight apart from around seven or eight policemen, and their assorted vehicles. When I told them the circumstance that had put me bang in the middle of their 'exclusion zone' they directed me out of it, and I made my way through streets, whose wide, wide pavements and four lanes of road were *utterly* deserted:- that is, apart from the posses of coppers every 200 yards or so. I felt like an extra in "28 days" or something. Very spooky. Eventually found my way to the edge of the cordon, and after being directed there by constables a-plenty (now I was out on the streets where 'devices' could be hidden *anywhere*, I didn't need telling twice to leave the area!) - I eventually hoved to at Aston University, where emergency accommodation (sp?), biscuits a-plenty, and gallons of the aforesaid hot coffee and tea were available, along with duvets and pillows for those people who, unlike myself weren't equipped with a sleeping bag and air mattress. Suitably refreshed, I settled down & starting at 2 a.m. grabbed several hours sleep. Altogether it had been one strange night, but , hey, I didn't have anything to do for a few hours but wait around anyhow.......;-) But how was the gig, Derek? Well, the Van der Graaf gig, which by then seemed a very long time ago indeed, had been *way* better than I'd dared hope for. The reportedly shambolic touches to earlier tour dates were pretty much gone, although during some of the instrumental passages they certainly walk a tightrope suspended above the gorge of utter musical chaos, into which it often appears they are going to plummet, only to regain balance at the last moment. Peter Hammil's voice has held up well, considering he has such a full-blooded delivery. He only seemed to 'mislay' the lyrics on a couple of occasions, which is pretty good going considering the density of the 'texts'. David Jackson's ability to play two saxes simultaneously *and* in harmony still amazes me, Hugh Banton dependable and eerie as ever, whilst in the engine room, Guy Evans bashes out poly-rhythms, which seem unrelated to the song at times, while flurries of notes from sax and keyboards spin around him. But then, remarkably, the whole thing snaps back into focus again. They finished with old favourite "Man-erg", and rounded off the evening with "Lemmings" as an encore [both of which are lifted from their finest work, "Pawn Hearts"] Now I know that their doomy, occasionally overwraught stuff, with it's gothic touch (before the term was brought into disrepute) isn't to everyone's taste, (and I'm looking principally at you, Messrs Astbury and Bursa ;-) ) but if you get it, this unique band always deliver. That prior to this tour, they'd not played together since '78 was not apparent in terms of their tightness. How they managed that feat is a mystery to me, as I couldn't even *write* the chromatic 'riffs' (term used loosely for the want of something more apt) that abound in their material, let alone remember it. For long periods of the set, no guitars were involved, not even of the bass flavour:- just organ, piano sax and drums, and this lends VdGG a sound unlike any other band I've ever seen in my long and varied gig-going times ......and then there's *that* voice.. This will live long in the memory, I think. :-) As for Live 8, and your comments thereon........ >>>>>Floyd seem to have been lauded in the press just because they can play their instruments well. I think we knew that. I don't begrudge theirreturn and it was diverting to hear Comfortably Numb now that the Scissor Sisters have appropriated it. Wish you were Here was nothing special - I preferred Breathe. But at least they didn't so Another Brick in the Wall, perhaps realising that this show was partly about the need FOR education. I'd like to think so, just as I'd like to think I would never hear that song again. ////// Happily, I can confirm that that *was* the case:- when the song, (which after all *was* their biggest-selling single, and their only No 1,IIRC ) was floated as a *possible* inclusion, it was rejected out-of-hand because (and I'm quoting a Radio 1 interveiw with Dave, sorry DAVID Gilmour) "It was felt to be so-oo far off-message, and frankly not our place to be singing, at a concert [addressing the concerns of ] Africa, the lyric "We don't need no education...." So, it *was* considered and ruled upon, and apparently for the right reasons. As for not hearing it again, I wouldn't bet on it. The body language betwixt Waters and Gilmour during the performance would keep an entire conference of psychatrists busy, so assiduously did they avoid each others gaze. More interesting body language was on show during the Who's set, when it seemed a whole lot of people didn't want to acknowledge Pete Townsend's existence....... The 'Golden Vulture' award for the day went by a country mile to Mariah Carey, who might have brought a troop of African kids from five different countries to be onstage with her, but just in case they should caterwaul out-of-tune all over her nice, shiny NEW SINGLE that she was plugging, this largesse didn't actually extend to providing these kids with a microphone of ANY sort.........("Just stand there and look cute, kids. And a shade hungry would be good. If you can manage the odd worshipful gaze at Ms Carey, kids, so much the better...... BLEARGHH! . Of course , this blatant product-pushing was done in a throwaway, sort of low-key half apologetic fashion, but we all know this was the *real* business of her day, given the way her sales have been on the slide since EMI laughably overpaid her for her signature......despicable, if you ask me. Any more corpses you wanna ride, while you're at it, Carey? The "Golden Turkey" award for most innapropriate choice of song goes to..... ........Travis, for having the brass neck to sing "Why does it always rain on me" in a concert , supposedly in aid of a continent where the very *lack* of rain is, on occasions, another pestilence that Africa has to deal with. Nice work, boys. :-P - --------------------------------- Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:49:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: [idealcopy] The Githead session on Xfm.....anyone care to venture an opinion? No ? Looks like it's up to me, then. I *really* wanted to like this:- a new, and ongoing project by someone from a favourite band, and in terms of his 'solo' output, my favourite ex-Wire member......... I hadn't actually heard 'HeadGit'- my time of buying CD's on trust and faith that they'll be good are gone. (Stung too often) So this was my first encounter with Githead at all. "Our own correspondent is sorry to tell.............." ....that It didn't really grab me at first listen. The first track is a meandering piece, that doesn't seem to go any where. What was it....'box of magic' or 'magical box'? Hmm. "Fake Corpses" is, I suppose, a bit more like I was expecting/hoping for. The last two songs came and went , but didn't burrow their way in. I'm going to have to listen again, to be fair, but first impressions " "It's very insubstantial"/ "Once is enough" ?? I'll try again though. Dang, I *really* wanted to like this........:-( Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:39:33 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Washing Your Clothes - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Cambra, Robert I'm thinking, this could be a Bruce Gilbert album. (Does anyone know what> '> s he> '> s up to? Is he is well.) I think that any rumours of Mr Gilbert's poor state of health have been somewhat exaggerated. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:11:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Re:(Idealcopy) clothes washed >>think that any rumours of Mr Gilbert's poor state of health have been somewhat exaggerated.< Subject: [idealcopy] Keith Morris RIP The great rock photographer, Keith Morris, has died, according to the latest issue of Word magazine, while deep sea diving. He was apparently a leading diver. The only professional ever to photograph Nick Drake (those pictures by a wall) he is also renowned - it sez here - for the picture of Marc Bolan straddling a flying V which I'm sure Mr Astbury will be familiar with. Not mentioned however is his incredible infra-red centrefold for Van Der Graaf's Pawn Hearts, a picture which I have gazed at for hours over the years. Not sure if he ever got involved with the Wire boys, although as he shot the early Elvis Costello photos he was certainly in the area. Another the Leith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:25:58 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Keith Morris RIP > The great rock photographer, Keith Morris, has died, according to the > latest issue of Word magazine, while deep sea diving. He was apparently > a leading diver. > > The only professional ever to photograph Nick Drake (those pictures by a > wall) he is also renowned - it sez here - for the picture of Marc Bolan > straddling a flying V which I'm sure Mr Astbury will be familiar with. > Not mentioned however is his incredible infra-red centrefold for Van Der > Graaf's Pawn Hearts, a picture which I have gazed at for hours over the > years. Yes, this was a real pity. He was also responsible for the famous photo of Marc on a tiger. He contributed to the recently re-issued Born To Boogie DVD. As a result I'd received the below from the guy behind the DVD, via another Bolan fan... It is with very great sadness that I have to report that Keith Morris is lost at sea, feared dead. As well as his career as a rock & roll photographer, Keith was an expert, highly respected and innovative deep-sea diver, leading explorations of old wrecks and the like. He was on a dive on 17 June, 20 miles from Guernsey, and failed to re-surface. He has not been seen since and is feared to have died. Keith was 66, a father of two daughters (and a son who died in a diving accident in 1991), and still in great shape. I last saw him on 4 June when we spent a couple of hours at his flat, sipping herbal tea and having a good old chat. Keith never read the newspapers and rarely watched TV so he was blissfully unaware of much of the concerns of 21st century life. We talked about a new Japanese probe to drill a hole deep into the earth's crust, about the London congestion charge and bendy buses, and of course about Marc Bolan and other friends of Keith's. He had great respect and love for Marc, despite initially having been a bit wary of him, not considering him quite his sort of chap. He soon formed a great friendship with Marc and June, both collectively and individually. Keith would escort June to clubs and events when Marc was away on tour, as June hated to be out on her own as Mrs Marc Bolan. Keith lived in the same flat in Paddington since 1969 and it was here that the Bolans would hang out with Keith and his partner. Some years later when Marc came back from exile, Keith also hung out happily with Marc and Gloria. I didn't get to know Keith until the Born to Boogie project started in earnest, about a year or so ago. I called him up to ask if he would take part, and allow us to use some of his photographs, and he was immediately funny, friendly and always professional. Keith attended the Born to Boogie premiere in April but only briefly, deciding not to attend the after-show. He said to me later, "Why did you include Summertime Blues in the film? I sat through Marc murdering that song so many times in the 70s!!" As I left his flat the other day, Keith was due to leave to go on his diving trip. He pointed out a photograph he'd taken of his daughter, and one of him, taken by his daughter, framed together and taken on holiday some years back. They would always return to the same place as it was the one that his daughter liked best. He was a proud father and a really sorted man, with holes in his jeans and a wicked turn of phrase, who died doing something that he loved. Rest in peace. Martin Barden For a full obituary, click here: http://www.divemagazine.co.uk/news/article.asp?UAN=2082&v=1&sp= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:29:25 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: [Idealcopy]OT Live 8 (long live IC)and my bizarre night in Birmingham >This is a LONG post, decidedly off-topic, and which veers from "my strange Saturday night in the middle of a bomb scare", >to a Van der Graaf gig, and a few twitterings about Live 8 en route . Nice one, Derek. But whatever made you think I don't like Hammill. I'm his number one fan ; ) I agree re Travis. I did say beforehand that was one they wouldn't / couldn't play. Wrong! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #189 *******************************