From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #188 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, July 11 2005 Volume 08 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] OT Live 8 (long live Idealcopy) ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Possible viewing tip for Keith A ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] Re: The Who at Live 8 ["Keith A" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT Live 8 (long live Idealcopy) God, Live 8 seems like a long time ago. After a week involving Olympic victory, bombings and two Van Der Graaf gigs (our own Derek White was last seeing legging it for Leicester station last night after my singular failure to find how to drive up to it - hope you made it back OK, Derek), last weekend is a distant haze. I watched bits of it, taped the rest and what with one thing and another haven't sat down to watch (or, more accurately, fast-forward) through the rest yet. But I saw the last 45 minutes or so. Robbie Williams was outstanding in this environment, milking the crowd (his crowd) for all it's worth. Floyd seem to have been lauded in the press just because they can play their instruments well. I think we knew that. I don't begrudge their return and it was diverting to hear Comfortably Numb now that the Scissor Sisters have appropriated it. Wish you were Here was nothing special - I preferred Breathe. But at least they didn't so Another Brick in the Wall, perhaps realising that this show was partly about the need FOR education. I'd like to think so, just as I'd like to think I would never hear that song again. Daltry was really great for the Who. I remember thinking at Live Aid that he was doing well for an old 'un, so this time my admiration is unconditional. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith A Sent: 10 July 2005 00:12 To: Tim; Ideal Copy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Live 8 (long live Idealcopy) > Any thoughts on Live8? > Presume their may be a broken TV in the Astbury household after > celebrity crackhead Pete Doherty's embarressing dribble through > 'Children of the Revolution'...about as authentic, relevant and Punk > Rock as "Sid Snot" from the Kenny Everett Show circa 1982. Disclaimer: I only watched bits so I don't profess to making any big definitive judgement here, but here's my thoughts anyway... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:12:09 +0100 From: Subject: [idealcopy] re : The Who at Live 8 Hi, Keith. Re - you couldn't resist changing the lyrics : - - wasn't Townshend acquitted of all charges ? Sean. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:53:09 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Possible viewing tip for Keith A Born To Boogie on FilmFour tomorrow at 6pm. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:06:30 -0700 From: "far arden" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : The Who at Live 8 AND MICHAEL JACKSON by a jury of his peers........i'm sure it was purely research. it's fun to take the piss out of the nose - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "ideal copy" Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:12 AM Subject: [idealcopy] re : The Who at Live 8 > Hi, Keith. > Re - you couldn't resist changing the lyrics : > - wasn't Townshend acquitted of all charges ? > Sean. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of BlahBlah.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:14:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cage(d) Since the piece was composed, then presumably it's scored. Therefore, when you score *your* silence, stick a different time signature in front of it? If the originals in free time, introduce a time signature at its start:or choose a different one if such already exists. so long as your piece's duration is timed by a (silent) count, isn't it then a valid 'direction' to the (non) players in the ensemble? At least that's what you'd tell your lawyer........ Or is the silence directed by Cage to be played by an *absence* of players? ;-) - --- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/8/05 4:16:04 PM, > threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Personaly I think that anyone who would consider > > silence of an orchestra performance, or anyone who > > would pay to see such a performance, or any judge > that > > would award an amount of monies to Cage for > > 'copying'that silence, something I am most of the > > time,are a little bit nuts in the head..... c'mon > > guys, wake up! > > > > i saw it performed at carnegie hall. one of several > pieces performed, but > still, it was really good. seriously, i was aware of > every little movement i made > in my seat for 4 1/2 minutes...it's really an > interesting experience. > attention naturally turns to the audience, rather > than the guy sitting at the piano. > his part isn't nearly as interesting as the coughs, > throat clearings, and > other noises now so easily heard in the hall. > > the lawsuit, on the other hand, that is nuts. unless > the defendant's song was > 4 mins and 33 secs. i don't recall the details of > the lawsuit, but i would > think the defense should've had a good case if the > song was much shorter or > longer than cage's. the whole plagiarism thing is no > stranger to this list. the > cage case should be a cause for reevaluation. was > elastica equally, more or less > guilty? what if i put a bit of silence in my own > song and claim that it's a > sample of 4'33"!? what if i do it without > acknowledging cage? then what? hmm > > -paul c.d. > ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions  no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:26:42 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: The Who at Live 8 > Re - you couldn't resist changing the lyrics : > - wasn't Townshend acquitted of all charges ? > Sean. No, he received a police caution for it, which involves an acceptance of guilt. He said he viewed it for research purposes - I seem to recall he said he was planning his autobiography and that he'd been abused as a child. I don't know how many pictures were on it or how bad they were (these things are graded apparently), but I've always felt he's got off very lightly - especially when you compare him to Gary Glitter. I guess being considered a spokesman for a generation rather than a figure of fun helps. I don't care what his excuse is. I think he's a twat. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:37:08 -0700 From: "far arden" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: The Who at Live 8 could you clarify "he's got off very lighly"? are these things apparently graded too? i heard the evidence wouldn't stand up in court and that he'd fired his solicitor claiming he could get himself off. one "thing" that he didn't "hold" in common with pee wee herman was the excuse "the usher asked to see my stub" cheers then ari........e-me you want list! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith A" To: Cc: "ideal copy" Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: The Who at Live 8 > > Re - you couldn't resist changing the lyrics : > > - wasn't Townshend acquitted of all charges ? > > Sean. > > > No, he received a police caution for it, which involves an acceptance of > guilt. He said he viewed it for research purposes - I seem to recall he said > he was planning his autobiography and that he'd been abused as a child. I > don't know how many pictures were on it or how bad they were (these things > are graded apparently), but I've always felt he's got off very lightly - > especially when you compare him to Gary Glitter. I guess being considered a > spokesman for a generation rather than a figure of fun helps. I don't care > what his excuse is. I think he's a twat. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #188 *******************************