From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #187 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, July 10 2005 Volume 08 : Number 187 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: checking in [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Cage(d) ["Trevor Dutton" ] [idealcopy] Wow, an exclusive! ["Mike Edwards" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: checking in [] Re: [idealcopy] OT Live 8 (long live Idealcopy) ["Keith A" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Cage(d) Isn't the point about the Batt case that he attributed the piece (which was only 1 minute long if memory serves) to Batt/Cage - which is asking for it really (and in any case Mike Batt deserves it for musical crimes too numerous to mention ...). Again if I recall correctly, they settled with Batt making a donation of #100k to something charitable? Trev ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:35:47 -0400 From: "Mike Edwards" Subject: [idealcopy] Wow, an exclusive! Posted 2005-07-08 14:32:44 Go Home Productions has remixed the Gang of 4's "To Hell with Poverty" for the flipside of their new single (To Hell with Poverty-2005) and likely inclusion on their new collection of re-recordings and remixes called "Whitney's Gift" and though it won't be out for a few weeks GHP was nice enough to send me a copy to play. How 'bout that shit! Here's the link to the show and my playlist for this week. Mike E. http://www.garageband.com/user/InMyRoompodcast/podcast/main Gang of 4-dirtier poverty (GHP MASH) Funkadelic-get off your ass and jam REM-happy when I'm crying IDC-freedom is coming The Revels-intoxica Morphine-head with wings Loretta Lynn (with Jack White)-portland, OR Tom Waits-temptation The Evens-all these governors Damned-neat neat neat Minor Threat-small man, big mouth Wire-mr. suit PIL-annalisa Julee Cruise-floating Grant Lee Buffalo-fuzzy Wilco-handshake drugs (live) Neil Young-why do I keep fucking up? Closing theme by the great DANNY GATTON. Enclosure (audio/mpeg, 65912161 bytes) RSS Channel: In My Room Unsubscribe: Click here Change freq: Click here Manage subs: Click here ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 8:54:42 -0700 From: Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: checking in pompous?!?!?!?!?!?! that was pretty tough talk for a man whose underwear comes in a plastic egg...zzzz = = = Original message = = = I work in London - Savile Row, and I walk from Victoria, so don't ordinarily use the tube - fortunately I was late on Thursday (hung over, tbh), and was warned off by my brother seconds before getting on a train at Brighton. As has been said already, all far too close for comfort (I used to work in Tavistock Square), but we've all known deep down that something like this was imminent. Hope everyone else here - and all close connections - are OK too. Just heard Brian Eno on BBC radio's Any Questions - he made a lot of sense, as is usually the case. His new album's really good too, IMO. Re Githead review describing Colin's vocals as 'pompous' - can anyone think of a less suitable adjective to describe the man's vocal delivery, or indeed the man himself? I'm very happy with this list as it is, though I'm not on a lot of other such groups and am not quite sure what the alternative proposal would have entailed. It's good to be here, anyway, in more senses than one. Howard ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:12:02 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Live 8 (long live Idealcopy) > Any thoughts on Live8? > Presume their may be a broken TV in the Astbury household after > celebrity crackhead Pete Doherty's embarressing dribble through > 'Children of the Revolution'...about as authentic, relevant and Punk > Rock as "Sid Snot" from the Kenny Everett Show circa 1982. Disclaimer: I only watched bits so I don't profess to making any big definitive judgement here, but here's my thoughts anyway... A mixed day I thought, with the day-time, overall, seeming strangely lacking in atmosphere - whether this was due to British people not knowing how to enjoy themselves without ale, refusing to look like they're having a good time in daylight hours (did I mention there was no ale?) or the strangely muted opening with U2 and Paul McCartney taking about half of the opening Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band to get going. Bizarrely, I actually thought it picked up around the time of Bono's solo bit, though what I saw of U2's 'solo' set seemed to lack the something they had the first time round. The highlight of the daytime for me was undoubtedly Richard Ashcroft doing Bitter Sweet Symphony with Coldplay, standing out for me not just because it's such a great song, but because Ashcrofts vocals were spot on and...well, it was a surprise (to me anyway). And top marks to Elton for doing The Bitch Is Back and Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting rather than, say, Candle In The Bloody Wind - after all, these are two of his best songs, though I'd never realised just how similar they are until I heard them performed back to back. And then there was the moment I was waiting for. A fat old bloke and the NME's new fave junkie doing T.Rex. Yes, Elton was doing The Children of the Revolution, the song he played so brilliantly on in Bolan's Born To Boogie movie all those years ago, with 'This Years Johnny Thunders' ex-Libertine, Pete Doherty. Now to be frank I don't really care if it was a shambles (no pun intended) - I just liked the fact a Bolan song was being performed in front of millions of people. It's typical of the Bolan Bad Luck though. The forgotten man of pop (and believe me for a long time he was) actually gets a song played at an event this size and the general consensus seems to be that it was the one big disaster of the day! Actually, like Mark E Smith (who's also the subject of the keyboard players desire!) on a recent episode of Later , I thought it brought a welcome bit of amateurism to an overwhelming sea of professionalism. Or something like that!! And were Mr Babyshambles vocals really any worse than Dido's and yet - and this is unbelievable after a performance that was so flat you could walk on it - her album sales have increased since then! But anyway, back to Doherty who has apparently suffered what has been described elsewhere as the Adam Ant Effect, as The Libertines seem to have been the only band who's sales have dropped since this event. Personally, I always thought that there were far worse things at the original Live Aid than the admittedly past his sell-by date Dandy Highwayman, Mr Ant. OK he performed his latest single rather than a greatest hit, but it was called Vive La Rock, which I'm sure he thought was some sort of call to arms. Surely there would have been an outcry if - at a concert aimed at feeding the world - he'd have performed Dog Eat Dog for god's sake. Still, if you tell the British Public something often enough then they'll believe it and Adam was therefore the lowpoint of a gig that featured Phil Collins on both sides of the Atlantic. Yeah, and Bohemian Rhapsody was the first video as well! As for the evening, well I'm no fan of Velvet Revolver but at least they kicked ass as they used to say and has been pointed out elsewhere, it's nice to see that Melvin Hayes is still getting work all these years after It Ain' t Half Hot, Mum. And as much as I wanted to dislike The Who and couldn't resist changing the lyrics of one of their songs to "Who are you, pee-ee-do-phile", I concede they seemed on very good form and were probably as good as anyone there, with Daltrey in particular putting in a top performance. I also thought that Sting, who I detest, was OK, but then he did play what are possibly his two best songs (Message In A Bottle and Every Breath You Take). If Sting changing his lyrics was one talking point, an altogether bigger one was the fact that Pink Floyd had got back together (which in the light of their history of inter-band arguing, was just as unlikely as the West getting rid of Third World debt). Now loads of people I 've spoken to have gone on about how wonderful they were and admittedly I only saw their last number, but I'm not sure if the giant 'Poverty' that was spelt out across The Wall signified the economic situation in Africa or their paucity of ideas. Wish You Were Here might well, as people fail to tire of telling me, have been dynamite (though somehow I doubt it), but this was, as they say these days, pants. As for Josh Stone.well I guess I'm guilty of inverted agism, racism and er, weightism when it comes to my soul diva's as I like them to be old, black and fat. I also like them to have something that resembles that small matter of soul rather than just holler like a disgruntled motorist on a hot day. So it was all left to the man who finished it last time, started it this time, the all round good egg who had to have surgery to stop that thumb sticking up, Sir Paul McCartney. And overall it was OK, and not just because seeing that McCartney plying that tiny bass still warms the cockles of people of a certain age - Helter Skelter was a nice surprise (though I would have preferred it if he was going to be joined by guest stars to have been joined by Siouxsie for this number rather than George Michael for Drive My Car), but it was a poor show to start the concluding Hey Jude at the 'nanananana' bit. Surely as a pop craftsman of such fine standing he must know that the bit only works because of the song that precedes it. It's the build up that makes it what it is. A quick word for the The Kaiser Chief's, who I enjoyed a lot. First of all the very fact that they were playing an event this size in Philly in the first place was amusing enough, and I like the fact that the singer is such an unlikely looking front man, but there's no doubting his application to the jumping up and down job in hand. But what really tickled me was the thought that there were probably people all over the world wondering what on earth the word 'lary' meant. Overall, a success then, and I certainly don't begrudge Bob Geldof getting up to do a turn at his own party (it was one of the best songs here anyway). I just wonder what effect it will have on music in the future. Will it kill the boyband / Fame Academy format and go all earnest on us? And will Pink Floyd get back together and then finally kill one another? But more importantly, where the fuck was Nik Kershaw? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #187 *******************************