From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #186 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, July 9 2005 Volume 08 : Number 186 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] NME............. ["far arden" ] Re: [idealcopy] Cage(d)........the silence that roared ["far arden" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:38:38 -0700 From: "far arden" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME............. met her in a bar once with tequila mockingbird cheers, boo radley - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari" To: Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: [idealcopy] NME............. > suprised no-one's mentioned Melody Maker........... > (or have they)? A > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:37:57 -0700 From: "far arden" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cage(d)........the silence that roared keeps me from catnapping...........but hey a "couple" just patented a consentual sex form. it's like a contract and it has a satisfaction clause, an expectation clause........think of the ramifications! i bet bill clinton wished he had faked those orgasms eh? the eh team r - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari" To: Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Cage(d) > >>MarkBursa@aol.com wrote:>><<4' 33" was composed in > 1952. Cage is the daddy. > And no need for inverted commas either.<< > and our friend Derek responded..... > >>Whoah !! That's me told, then...;-)<< > Personaly I think that anyone who would consider > silence of an orchestra performance, or anyone who > would pay to see such a performance, or any judge that > would award an amount of monies to Cage for > 'copying'that silence, something I am most of the > time,are a little bit nuts in the head..... c'mon > guys, wake up! > n.p the sounds of silence (just kiddin', honest) Ari > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:56:06 -0700 From: "far arden" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cage(d) kudos to anything that would make an audience painfully self aware.the masses on their asses feeling as if they'd shown up to church or a funeral nude.imagine the power of the moment to the artist........ah, the old days. may not be enthralling to the audience but perhaps the artist.....i think we've all had those moments...(being responsible with that elevates a mere musician into a sacred technician or an erotic politician...i'm dating myself but isn't that safe sex?). isn't it the poet's duty to exalt....lay them bare and then point out all those wonderful sacred and/or cherishable things that make us all monkeys on the rock......i put on beach boy session tapes to put me back to sleep.....i became painfully aware that it's hot out in hollywood and i...well i......sleepy time time (on monday morning it's my favorite cry) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cage(d) > In a message dated 7/8/05 4:16:04 PM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Personaly I think that anyone who would consider > > silence of an orchestra performance, or anyone who > > would pay to see such a performance, or any judge that > > would award an amount of monies to Cage for > > 'copying'that silence, something I am most of the > > time,are a little bit nuts in the head..... c'mon > > guys, wake up! > > > > i saw it performed at carnegie hall. one of several pieces performed, but > still, it was really good. seriously, i was aware of every little movement i made > in my seat for 4 1/2 minutes...it's really an interesting experience. > attention naturally turns to the audience, rather than the guy sitting at the piano. > his part isn't nearly as interesting as the coughs, throat clearings, and > other noises now so easily heard in the hall. > > the lawsuit, on the other hand, that is nuts. unless the defendant's song was > 4 mins and 33 secs. i don't recall the details of the lawsuit, but i would > think the defense should've had a good case if the song was much shorter or > longer than cage's. the whole plagiarism thing is no stranger to this list. the > cage case should be a cause for reevaluation. was elastica equally, more or less > guilty? what if i put a bit of silence in my own song and claim that it's a > sample of 4'33"!? what if i do it without acknowledging cage? then what? hmm > > -paul c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #186 *******************************