From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #173 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, June 27 2005 Volume 08 : Number 173 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Time for an Ideal Copy Upgrade? ["Keith A" ] RE: [idealcopy] television non-transmission ["Tear Alistair (ST)" ] Re: [idealcopy] I dream of Mark E ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] Glastonbury (long) [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] television non-transmission [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] television non-transmission ["Keith Knight" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:36:21 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Time for an Ideal Copy Upgrade? > Am I the only one who is beginning to wonder if this list needs a bit of > rethink? > Its all getting a bit parochial and cosy...so Un-Wire like. I like it as it is, to be honest. The only other list I go on is the Cope one which is forum style, and I prefer this format. I'm only being half serious here, but I'd like it if IC could randomly generate images with the emails it sends out. Images associated with Wire such as filing cabinets and, of course, pink flags. >witness the lack of discussion about Githead for example. Got to be honest and confess that I still haven't purchased mine. Will get arse into gear! But although this list has been quiet-ish of late, I can't sing it's praises too much. Heard some good music and met some nice people (really and virtually!!) I wouldn't have otherwise. np Smog - rain on lens ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:40:00 +0100 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] quiet list I seem to remember the list pre-Wire's Mk3 in 98 and 99 struggling along with no recent Wire activity and none expected. It was much worse then and no one had really met up. Wire evolves and so should the list. If it's interesting, people will continue to use it and it's stil the best place for anything Wire related. I don't think we've heard the last from Wire even if it's only archival from now. U. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:29:10 +0100 From: "Tear Alistair (ST)" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] television non-transmission Been playing Transmission Impossible over the weekend and I like it a lot...his 'wild is the wind' I'd not heard and 'at the edge of the world' I'd only heard the Loom remix thing...there's a lovely cover of Sparks' 'Never turn your back on Mother Earth' on there too The rest is mainly stripped down versions of songs which were on 'Beyond the Sun'. which is no bad thing... Billy Mac swopsies, Keith? Thanks for your Television review - I didn't feel so bad about missing it when I heard about the Patti Smith reads poetry thing ;-) Thanks also AT Keith for the 'Horses' review No-one's commented on Glastonbury? my funny moment was on BBC3 yesterday when the presenter cut into Brian Wilson's set saying; 'we're leaving Brian Wilson now and going over to the pyramid stage where it's....Garbage' quite! but for complete and utter garbage of the jaw-dropping awful kind was anyone unlucky enough to witness Primal Scream? Dear God! later A > > > I'm waiting for 'Transmission Impossible' to arrive in the post > > hope it gets here for the weekend. > > Not got that one yet, but did get the other one released at > the same time, > Auchtermatic, which includes some of the excellent stuff he > released just > before his death - Pain In Any Langauge (with Apollo 440), > Beyond the Valley > of the dolls (Barry Adamason) and the Loom single. All excellent. And, > bizarrely, a version of the Eurythmics Here Comes The Rain! > > np Applecraft - the happiest man alive > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:54:00 +0100 From: "Adrian Cooke" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] television non-transmission No-one's commented on Glastonbury? my funny moment was on BBC3 yesterday when the presenter cut into Brian Wilson's set saying; 'we're leaving Brian Wilson now and going over to the pyramid stage where it's....Garbage' quite! but for complete and utter garbage of the jaw-dropping awful kind was anyone unlucky enough to witness Primal Scream? Dear God! I thought Primal Scream were alright actually! Not a great sound though the telly, but alright nonetheless. Kevin Shields looked typically unengaged though. Does he enjoy it do you think? Really enjoyed Interpol and Kasabian and even the Kaiser Chiefs over the weekend. Adrian Adrian Cooke Business Manager Community Music East Ltd 189 King Street Norwich NR1 2DF Tel: 01603 628 367 Fax: 01603 767 863 Mobile: 07909 920574 www.cme.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:23:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE:I am helium raven and this movie is mine Keith Knight wrote: The band look in reasonable shape too - Lenny Kaye, Jay Dee Daugherty, is that Tom Verlaine sat at the back throughout? ///// In a word, yes, very probably. I heard at the Television gig last Thursday that he was going to do guitar duties as his last job before heading back stateside..... Come to think of it, it could have been our very own Keith A. that told me that..........well, Keith ? Where did *you* get that info from ? - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:40:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Shock on-topic post Githead are the featured artist on XFM's Xposure show, Wednesday 23.00-01.00 UK time. Listen on _www.xfm.co.uk_ (http://www.xfm.co.uk) I have no further info - could be live session, interview, album tracks, anything. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:48:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Glasto webcasts If you're interested, the Playlouder Glastonbury webcasts are still available to view via this back door: rtsp://213.200.77.221/makeni9042/realmedia/thelas_bb.rm rtsp://213.200.77.221/makeni9042/realmedia/blocparty_bb.rm rtsp://213.200.77.221/makeni9042/realmedia/thedoves_bb.rm rtsp://213.200.77.221/makeni9042/realmedia/interpol_bb.rm rtsp://213.200.77.221/makeni9042/realmedia/neworder_bb.rm ...and so on depending on the bands covered, which are listed here: _http://glastonbury.playlouder.com/webcasts/index.html_ (http://glastonbury.playlouder.com/webcasts/index.html) Just type in the band's name if you want to see any of the others, including the car crash that is Babyshambles. The La's is sadly only half the set, for reasons unspecified. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:36:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] television non-transmission I saw quite a bit of the Glasto coverage, and you have to say it wasn't exactly a vintage year.... On the whole, the new, young keener bands made the 'old returners/reformers' look pretty lame in comparison. I'm no fan of the likes of Razorlight, The Killers, Kasabian, and the like but at least they turned up looking like they meant business, having actually rehearsed for the gig, in stark contrast to some...... New Order continued their lamentable downwards trajectory with the lamest of sets, punctuated by more of [a very corpulent] Barney's "Whoo"'s , "Yeah"'s and other assorted 'rawk' rabble-rousing yelps, while the rest of 'em struggled through their decidedly dodgy performance. As important and estimable a band as they once were, I really think it's time they bit the bullet and admitted "It's over" before they utterly trash their legacy..... Not quite so bad, but still well past the 'best before' date were The Bunnymen. Admittedly, I only caught one song (The Cutter) but set against the mighty version of the same song I saw them do at Glasto '86, this was like a bad tribute band's reading of it. Again, at their peak this band were magnificent live, but ,hey, careful with that reputation, boys...... :-( Unfortunately, I didn't see ANY of Interpol's set at all, although with 2 VCR's on the go taping both the analogue terrestrial BBC-2 stuff AND the BBC-3/4 digital stuff I could get lucky and find some of it when I veiw the tapes. Babyshambles are badly named:- I thought they were a fully-fledged, grown-up Shambles. If as Mark said, they are a car-crash, then it's a '10-car-2-buses-and-an-articulated lorry' variety. Poor old Pete Doherty couldn't carry a tune in a bucket, as my ma might have said. Coldsailor were the bloodless, tepid, aural expanse of bugger-all I'd feared, and that guy out of Keane should really be playing "Johnno, the class glutton" in one of those kids TV soaps like Grange Hill, rather than fronting an alleged rock band. To my astonishment, I found myself warming to the Kaiser Chiefs for their perky pop-tones,('though I was pretty sick of hearing their "I predict a riot" by the end of proceedings. Bloc Party made me pay attention, too, and I quite enjoyed what I saw of the Futureheads. Razorlight only seemed to have one worthwhile pop song in the locker ("Stumble and Fall"?) And whilst I started out apparently praising The Killers and Kasabian, let me clarify:- that was only insofar as they were rehearsed, in contrast to some 'time-servers' present. They pretty much passed me by without making an impression. After all the fuss and general salivation that accompanied The La's reformation, what I saw was unremarkable, save for the fact that John Power *still* looks about 15 ! Obviously a band that *could* have been a great pop band, but peed it away, and it's too late now, fellas. Doves were amiable enough, but very, very bland. I reckon this time next year, they'll be history, and 12 months later, forgotten. I looked for something a bit off the beaten track from The Coral, but couldn't see it in what I saw, and The Zutons passed by just as anonymously. Did they *really* make it onto the shortlist for the Mercury Music awards? What a strange world we sometimes inhabit. Ash were as Indie-metal-by-numbers as you'd expect, and although Garbage weren't quite that, and were (for me anyway) a bit of light relief, unfortunately they are a band who never quite seemed to make up their minds whether to be a pop band or 'rawk', and wind up doing neither convincingly. And I speak as one who still has their first album, *and* plays it , and also has "V2", which I don't........still, always a pleasure to see Shirley. Sadly, I didn't get to see the Wailers, and equally sadly, I did see Rufus Wainwright and his hackneyed troubadour schtick. And now to Primal Scream............ Ye gods, but words fail me. They had it in them to be one of the highlights, and carry us away on a surge of feedback, noise, clattering echo units and good ol' 'feral' [cheers, MB;-)] rock and roll. However, what we got was entirely different. Bobby Gillespie seemed to be wearing his most churlish, petulent head, as opposed to the rather vacant one he usually sports. He *really* seemed to have gotten out of his pit on the wrong side yesterday, and was goading and dismissive towards the audience from the off, and even extended his attentions to the hapless cameraman as well, as he gobbed on the lense, having mugged away at it for what seemed an eternity. And when the audience refused to worship at his semi-coherent altar, he went into overdrive:- "Ralph Nader's gonna try and impeach Bush:- whaddya think of that? Nothing eh? What a fu***ng apathetic bunch you are....." and other such pleasantries..... Way to go, Bobby. How to get a crowd onside. And what would you have known about it, Bob, had not someone read the Sundays to ya? In amongst the snide swipes and general snot-nosed kiddywink behaviour, they had their moments, I guess, with soaring slabs of noise, but then they'd chuck it away. They looked like a band who didn't want to be there, which given their apparent anticipation beforehand was a bit odd. I'm guessing that the rot set in when the adul-ometer didn't clock the 'right' level. At the set's end, their was an utterly ignominious episode (detailed here for the benefit of those who didn't witness the debacle) :- BG said "They want us to get off....what d'ya think of that' [not much reaction] "Do you want more music, or Basement Jaxx??" [similar apathy:- some boos, some "yeahs" and probably more than a few "F*** OFF"'s.....] "Whaddya want ? The STONE ROSES?" [Mani throws V-sign to audience when the response "Yeah" was heard] Anyhow, this notwithstanding, they introduced the next song, and then announced "They've pulled the plug on us....." Exit, stage right, in a shambling petty rabble. More waved v-signs and "fuck offs" at the audience, Gillespie throws Mic stand, poss Mani does so too. Very mature guys. Rest of band troop off looking vaguely embarrassed. All told, quite a pathetic episode. If the intent was to give their 'bad boys' quotient a boost, then I guess they succeeded, but only insofar as they were the bad boys of the Nursery class. Absolutely bloody laughable and lamentable at the same time. The best bit was when our Bobby called the crowd a "bunch of hippies" ! Nah? At Glastonbury? Quelle surprise. Never have I seen a band so spectalularly fall flat on it's collective arse. Still, I suppose it was a lot more entertaining than the Basement Jaxx, and their routine that was part cheesy Carmen Miranda musical, part rave and part Gay Pride rally. They had a cast of thousands, and maybe a couple of them were even playing something. At that point, I was losing the will to live. At least it's over 'till 2007. Then again, Brian Wilson almost made it worthwhile, even though he looks like he's under the spell of some major elephant tranquiliser behind his piano, he's undeniably written some great pop songs........... :-) Adrian Cooke wrote: No-one's commented on Glastonbury? my funny moment was on BBC3 yesterday when the presenter cut into Brian Wilson's set saying; 'we're leaving Brian Wilson now and going over to the pyramid stage where it's....Garbage' quite! but for complete and utter garbage of the jaw-dropping awful kind was anyone unlucky enough to witness Primal Scream? Dear God! I thought Primal Scream were alright actually! Not a great sound though the telly, but alright nonetheless. Kevin Shields looked typically unengaged though. Does he enjoy it do you think? Really enjoyed Interpol and Kasabian and even the Kaiser Chiefs over the weekend. Adrian Adrian Cooke Business Manager Community Music East Ltd 189 King Street Norwich NR1 2DF Tel: 01603 628 367 Fax: 01603 767 863 Mobile: 07909 920574 www.cme.org.uk - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:48:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OT: Glastonbury ..../Was television non-transmission (Apologies to all if this is in your inbox 2ce, but I had a power 'flicker' when I was sending the first time, so it might not have gone out..............) I saw quite a bit of the Glasto coverage, and you have to say it wasn't exactly a vintage year.... On the whole, the new, young keener bands made the 'old returners/reformers' look pretty lame in comparison. I'm no fan of the likes of Razorlight, The Killers, Kasabian, and the like but at least they turned up looking like they meant business, having actually rehearsed for the gig, in stark contrast to some...... New Order continued their lamentable downwards trajectory with the lamest of sets, punctuated by more of [a very corpulent] Barney's "Whoo"'s , "Yeah"'s and other assorted 'rawk' rabble-rousing yelps, while the rest of 'em struggled through their decidedly dodgy performance. As important and estimable a band as they once were, I really think it's time they bit the bullet and admitted "It's over" before they utterly trash their legacy..... Not quite so bad, but still well past the 'best before' date were The Bunnymen. Admittedly, I only caught one song (The Cutter) but set against the mighty version of the same song I saw them do at Glasto '86, this was like a bad tribute band's reading of it. Again, at their peak this band were magnificent live, but ,hey, careful with that reputation, boys...... :-( Unfortunately, I didn't see ANY of Interpol's set at all, although with 2 VCR's on the go taping both the analogue terrestrial BBC-2 stuff AND the BBC-3/4 digital stuff I could get lucky and find some of it when I veiw the tapes. Babyshambles are badly named:- I thought they were a fully-fledged, grown-up Shambles. If as Mark said, they are a car-crash, then it's a '10-car-2-buses-and-an-articulated lorry' variety. Poor old Pete Doherty couldn't carry a tune in a bucket, as my ma might have said. Coldsailor were the bloodless, tepid, aural expanse of bugger-all I'd feared, and that guy out of Keane should really be playing "Johnno, the class glutton" in one of those kids TV soaps like Grange Hill, rather than fronting an alleged rock band. To my astonishment, I found myself warming to the Kaiser Chiefs for their perky pop-tones,('though I was pretty sick of hearing their "I predict a riot" by the end of proceedings. Bloc Party made me pay attention, too, and I quite enjoyed what I saw of the Futureheads. Razorlight only seemed to have one worthwhile pop song in the locker ("Stumble and Fall"?) And whilst I started out apparently praising The Killers and Kasabian, let me clarify:- that was only insofar as they were rehearsed, in contrast to some 'time-servers' present. They pretty much passed me by without making an impression. After all the fuss and general salivation that accompanied The La's reformation, what I saw was unremarkable, save for the fact that John Power *still* looks about 15 ! Obviously a band that *could* have been a great pop band, but peed it away, and it's too late now, fellas. Doves were amiable enough, but very, very bland. I reckon this time next year, they'll be history, and 12 months later, forgotten. I looked for something a bit off the beaten track from The Coral, but couldn't see it in what I saw, and The Zutons passed by just as anonymously. Did they *really* make it onto the shortlist for the Mercury Music awards? What a strange world we sometimes inhabit. Ash were as Indie-metal-by-numbers as you'd expect, and although Garbage weren't quite that, and were (for me anyway) a bit of light relief, unfortunately they are a band who never quite seemed to make up their minds whether to be a pop band or 'rawk', and wind up doing neither convincingly. And I speak as one who still has their first album, *and* plays it , and also has "V2", which I don't........still, always a pleasure to see Shirley. Sadly, I didn't get to see the Wailers, and equally sadly, I did see Rufus Wainwright and his hackneyed troubadour schtick. And now to Primal Scream............ Ye gods, but words fail me. They had it in them to be one of the highlights, and carry us away on a surge of feedback, noise, clattering echo units and good ol' 'feral' [cheers, MB;-)] rock and roll. However, what we got was entirely different. Bobby Gillespie seemed to be wearing his most churlish, petulent head, as opposed to the rather vacant one he usually sports. He *really* seemed to have gotten out of his pit on the wrong side yesterday, and was goading and dismissive towards the audience from the off, and even extended his attentions to the hapless cameraman as well, as he gobbed on the lense, having mugged away at it for what seemed an eternity. And when the audience refused to worship at his semi-coherent altar, he went into overdrive:- "Ralph Nader's gonna try and impeach Bush:- whaddya think of that? Nothing eh? What a fu***ng apathetic bunch you are....." and other such pleasantries..... Way to go, Bobby. How to get a crowd onside. And what would you have known about it, Bob, had not someone read the Sundays to ya? In amongst the snide swipes and general snot-nosed kiddywink behaviour, they had their moments, I guess, with soaring slabs of noise, but then they'd chuck it away. They looked like a band who didn't want to be there, which given their apparent anticipation beforehand was a bit odd. I'm guessing that the rot set in when the adul-ometer didn't clock the 'right' level. At the set's end, there was an utterly ignominious episode (detailed here for the benefit of those who didn't witness the debacle) :- BG said "They want us to get off....what d'ya think of that' [not much reaction] "Do you want more music, or Basement Jaxx??" [similar apathy:- some boos, some "yeahs" and probably more than a few "F*** OFF"'s.....] "Whaddya want ? The STONE ROSES?" [Mani throws V-sign to audience when the response "Yeah" was heard] Anyhow, this notwithstanding, they introduced the next song, and then announced "They've pulled the plug on us....." Exit, stage right, in a shambling petty rabble. More waved v-signs and "fuck offs" at the audience, Gillespie throws Mic stand, poss Mani does so too. Very mature guys. Rest of band troop off looking vaguely embarrassed. All told, quite a pathetic episode. If the intent was to give their 'bad boys' quotient a boost, then I guess they succeeded, but only insofar as they were the bad boys of the Nursery class. Absolutely bloody laughable and lamentable at the same time. The best bit was when our Bobby called the crowd a "bunch of hippies" ! Nah? At Glastonbury? Quelle surprise. Never have I seen a band so spectalularly fall flat on it's collective arse. Still, I suppose it was a lot more entertaining than the Basement Jaxx, and their routine that was part cheesy Carmen Miranda musical, part rave and part Gay Pride rally. They had a cast of thousands, and maybe a couple of them were even playing something. Still, it's all over with 'till 2007. And I guess that, even though Brian Wilson looks like he's in the thrall of some fairly major elephant tranquilisers, sat behind his piano with a glazed, semi-detached expression, you hav to say that the guy *did* write some memorable pop songs..... :-) Not enough to save *this* event, though. Adrian Cooke wrote: No-one's commented on Glastonbury? my funny moment was on BBC3 yesterday when the presenter cut into Brian Wilson's set saying; 'we're leaving Brian Wilson now and going over to the pyramid stage where it's....Garbage' quite! but for complete and utter garbage of the jaw-dropping awful kind was anyone unlucky enough to witness Primal Scream? Dear God! I thought Primal Scream were alright actually! Not a great sound though the telly, but alright nonetheless. Kevin Shields looked typically unengaged though. Does he enjoy it do you think? Really enjoyed Interpol and Kasabian and even the Kaiser Chiefs over the weekend. Adrian Adrian Cooke Business Manager Community Music East Ltd 189 King Street Norwich NR1 2DF Tel: 01603 628 367 Fax: 01603 767 863 Mobile: 07909 920574 www.cme.org.uk - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:12:48 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] television non-transmission - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Derek White To my astonishment, I found myself warming to the Kaiser Chiefs for their perky pop-tones,('though I was pretty sick of hearing their "I predict a riot" by the end of proceedings. - ------------------------------- Well, Andy Lumbard and I (at least) hold a torch for The Kaiser Chiefs, even though I dissed them when I saw them live at the start of the year. The album is a fun artefact as I've said here before. - ------------------------------------------------- After all the fuss and general salivation that accompanied The La's reformation, what I saw was unremarkable, save for the fact that John Power *still* looks about 15 ! Obviously a band that *could* have been a great pop band, but peed it away, and it's too late now, fellas. - -------------------------------------------- I never understood the fuss about The La's and this performance merely reinforced my prejudice. One half decent song and they didn't even perform that particularly well. - ------------------------------- Ash were as Indie-metal-by-numbers as you'd expect, and although Garbage weren't quite that, and were (for me anyway) a bit of light relief, unfortunately they are a band who never quite seemed to make up their minds whether to be a pop band or 'rawk', and wind up doing neither convincingly. And I speak as one who still has their first album, *and* plays it , and also has "V2", which I don't........still, always a pleasure to see Shirley. - ---------------------------------------------- I've got friends who saw Garbage a week or so back and reckoned they were the business. I kind of understood that on this showing - Shirley Manson can hold a stage - but the music is nothing special is it? On the other hand I could have done with a lot more Ash, probably the finest singles band since The Smiths (although a comparison with Buzzcocks is closer). - -------------------------------------------- Sadly, I didn't get to see the Wailers, and equally sadly, I did see Rufus Wainwright and his hackneyed troubadour schtick. And now to Primal Scream............ when the audience refused to worship at his semi-coherent altar, he went into overdrive:- "Ralph Nader's gonna try and impeach Bush:- whaddya think of that? Nothing eh? What a fu***ng apathetic bunch you are....." and other such pleasantries..... Way to go, Bobby. How to get a crowd onside. And what would you have known about it, Bob, had not someone read the Sundays to ya? - -------------------------------------- If he's been at the Horses gig he could have got it from Patti Smith direct as she said that Ralph Nader had phoned her earlier that day with the news! That woman does good address book, - ---------------------------------------------- Then again, Brian Wilson almost made it worthwhile, even though he looks like he's under the spell of some major elephant tranquiliser behind his piano, he's undeniably written some great pop songs........... :-) - ----------------------------------------------- Far and away the best thing I saw. But it was another frustrating weekend in front of the telly, with many of the more interesting bands glossed over completely from what I saw - The Earlies, Art Brut, Secret Machines, Sons and Daughters. None of them on the two main stages unfortunately. Meanwhile I saw some Killers songs three times. We await Bruno's live report for another view of proceedings... Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:26:12 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Pere Ubu UK dates Just got news of some UK dates for Ubu; sharp eyed English listers will know the Leeds venue as being the stage for 70s/80s BBC prog The Good Old Days. I'm only just holding back from throwing in some poly-syllabled alliterative descriptions for your Ubification. (John Cooper Clarke plays the same venue a couple of days before although I may very reluctantly have to miss that one) Sat, Sep 17 Brighton, Concorde 2 Sun, Sep 18 London, The Academy Mon, Sep 19 Leeds. City Varieties Tue, Sep 20 Nottingham, Rescue Rooms Wed, Sep 21 Dublin, The Village Thu, Sep 22 Manchester, Academy 3 Also, apparently The Modern Dance has been re-mixed for a 5.1 surround sound DVD audio disk release. Ian B (who likes the list as it is) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:39:38 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I dream of Mark E A couple of nights ago I dreamt that me and my mum were watching Mark E Smith and Bono in a recording studio duetting on In the Name of Love. Smith was murdering it and his gurning made my mum turn away in disgust. Ian B PS anybody any views on A Hawk and a Hacksaw? he (they?) will be playing in Leeds next week and I wondered if it was worth a punt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:01:22 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Glastonbury (long) Like Derek, I spent the weekend multiple-recording the Glastonbury farrago. Disappointing old bollocks, mainly. I'm getting hugely tired of careerist manufactured indie, both the British (Razorlight, Keanesailor and their ilk) and the US (The Killers, the Bribery). Plagiarists, graverobbers the lot of them. I've fast-forwarded past every second of Razorlight and never want to hear another note from that horrible, ambitious, hugely slappable wanker of a singer. As for Babyshambles, the less said the better. Paper-thin 80s shambling indie, played by Camden drug dealers, fronted by a stage-school smackhead. Be gone! As car crash television, it was a poor second to Prml Scrm, who were frankly pnts. Same old set, which in Bobby G's mind represents a set comparable to the Rolling Stones playing a set of Gimme Shelter, Brown Sugar, Street Fighting Man, Sympathy for the Devil, Honky tonk women and Satisfaction. Bob's a great front man - he's just neglected the fact that his voice sounded weedy when PS were trying to sound like the gentler moments of the Byrds circa 1984, and has got no stronger since. Still, great pension plan for Messrs Shields, Duffy and Mani. The latter's main contribution to the weekend was his announcement that he'd rather watch "Dave Lee Travis play Macbeth" than watch Basement Jaxxxxx. Quite how Keane, Athlete and Coldplay have reached their vaunted status is beyond me... to a greater or lesser degree it's the Dido factor - they're bought by the one-album-a-year buyers. But it's depressing that reasonably clued-in presenters like Jo Whiley can't see right through Coldplay. What a pile of crap that band are. I never thought I'd see a band whose bassist was ripping off Adam Clayton. And the lyrics: "How long do I have to climb, Up on the side of this mountain of mine?" Fuck me, is Dolores Cranberry to Coldplay what Tony Asher and Van Dyke Parks are to Brian Wilson? Athlete looked very lame, though Keane, despite looking utter rubbish and having some kind of click-track setup that allows them to sound exactly like the record despite only having a piano and a drumkit, seemed to get away with it. Horrible unctuous grovelling to the crowd from the Fat Owl at the end. Thought he was going to cry. The Bribery completely blew it by virtue of the bassist getting his kit off and rendering the bulk of their set unbroadcastable. So at least we were spared that double whammy. The Killers at least have about three decent tunes (largely ripped off Interpol) - and played a slick enough cabaret noo wave set. I'd not shed a tear if I never saw them again though. Poor old Interpol (the unwitting prototype for this bilge, sadly - and I do like Interpol a lot) still look uncomfortable in the daylight, though the use of dry ice made them look less uncomfortable than when they played Glasto a couple of years ago on a very hot day....(a fate that befell the Bribery; don't do lots of coke on a hot day, boys). The absence of John Peel meant the BBC no longer had to cover any of the bands in the tent that bears his name. On the not-very-good interactive service, I stumbled across three songs by Secret Machines (very good too, including the 10-minute set closer which was probably the single best piece of music that was broadcast over the three days.) Apart from rappeuse MIA and a really rubbish band with a Courtney Love wannabe singer, I don't think anything else from the Peel Tent was shown. Shameful. Like Interpol, the La's are hardly built for enormo-festivals, especially given the ever-bonkers Mavers approach (making the band play through microscopic practice amps in a bid to capture the elusive sound in his head). I saw the warm-up for this, at Shepherd's Bush Empire last week. They played exactly the same set as in 1989, in the same order. Both Mavers & Power looked exactly the same. Unlike Keith, I've always liked this band. I've always had a massive soft spot for English obsessive nutters (Lee Mavers, Lawrence, Luke Haines etc) - all of them surprisingly conventional songwriters but all completely at odds with whatever is the musical climate. Hopefully a combination of more sympathetic record labels and producers, and La's cult will allow Lee to actually get these songs out of his system - by re-recording the La's album to his satisfaction. He should hire Toe Rag studios. There's apparently a 14-year backlog of new material too.... Sadly the lack of interactive on Sunday meant we had to endure the full horror show of Primal Scream (plus a million reruns of Killers, Kasabian and Kaisers - the KKK) while getting a mere two La's songs (a slightly thin There she goes, and a delightful Timeless Melody). Would have liked to have seen the end of the set, which was great at SBE. Doves did what they do - they're like a frankenstein construction of bits of all previous Manc bands - JD/NO, Smiths, Roses, Mondays, even bits of ACR and 10cc. But that's fine with me - and I disagree with Derek - they're yet to make a bad album, and they'll be with us for a good while yet. New Order were... sort of OK.... not as bad as some recent sightings. Played a decent Transmission, with Marion laddie's powerchords in check, and it was nice to hear Love Vigilantes, though I wish they'd delve a bit deeper into their back catalogue instead of trotting out the same old hits. Lazy bastards. White Stripes nailed it pretty well - by far the best of the "big" headliners. Enjoyed the Futureheads too, even if they looked like they were rehearsing after a hard day down the call centre. Brian Wilson, Garbage, Bunnymen, Ash etc were about what I expected. All OK, but they've all seen better days. I really enjoyed BW's Pet Sounds and Smile sets, but can live without an orchestra of top LA session men trotting out California Girls and I get around. Shirley and her accompanying serial killers are pretty good live, though a bit relentless. And I only saw them touring the first album - the later material is nowhere near as good. Wainwrights. Die in pain. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:07:46 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] television non-transmission In a message dated 27/06/2005 20:15:08 GMT Standard Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: On the other hand I could have done with a lot more Ash, probably the finest singles band since The Smiths (although a comparison with Buzzcocks is closer). ////hey keith , its late and i'm gonna write some thougts out on glasto/patti tomorrow when i'm in work and have more time on my hands. but i can't let that pass. you really think ash are better than (just to pluck a name from the ether , of a band in the same rough part of the rock spectrum) nirvana ? the best act in 20 years? surely just a mediocre powerpop act , i sufferred them supporting elastica a decade ago and they've been trotting out the same old schtick eve since. like a grunge shed seven. uuurrgghhh. i've seen enough corporate careerists this weekend to last a lifetime. and Live8 is still to come. good grief. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:27:14 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] television non-transmission It's a cumulative thing for me with Ash. They've quietly put out nearly a dozen or so really enjoyable pop songs without me ever really being aware they were doing it. Like you I first saw them 10 years ago and was really taken with 'Girl from Mars' (as I was on telly at the weekend) but then only kept them on the radar. But get hold of that singles collection from last year and you'll realise how much enjoyable stuff is on there. None of it is up there with Buzzcocks or Smiths best (or Teen Spirit come to that) but it's a remarkably coherent and enjoyable body of work. Another the Keith (just getting over the 24 double bill finale - that show can still deliver) - -----Original Message----- From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com [mailto:PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Sent: 27 June 2005 23:08 To: steeleknight@lineone.net; zak_blakk@yahoo.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] television non-transmission In a message dated 27/06/2005 20:15:08 GMT Standard Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: On the other hand I could have done with a lot more Ash, probably the finest singles band since The Smiths (although a comparison with Buzzcocks is closer). ////hey keith , its late and i'm gonna write some thougts out on glasto/patti tomorrow when i'm in work and have more time on my hands. but i can't let that pass. you really think ash are better than (just to pluck a name from the ether , of a band in the same rough part of the rock spectrum) nirvana ? the best act in 20 years? surely just a mediocre powerpop act , i sufferred them supporting elastica a decade ago and they've been trotting out the same old schtick eve since. like a grunge shed seven. uuurrgghhh. i've seen enough corporate careerists this weekend to last a lifetime. and Live8 is still to come. good grief. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:30:09 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE:I am helium raven and this movie is mine > Come to think of it, it could have been our very own Keith A. that told me that..........well, Keith ? Where did *you* get that info from ? Well I was giving Tom a guitar lesson the other day, and he says to me... ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:33:56 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Glasto webcasts > Just type in the band's name if you want to see any of the others, including > the car crash that is Babyshambles. I've changed my mind about Doherty. I've been 'reliably informed' that PD will be performing Children of the Revolution at G8. With, wait for it, Elton John! Hmmm ; ( Still wanna see it though! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #173 *******************************