From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #166 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, June 21 2005 Volume 08 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Guns before Barbican [Fergus Kelly ] [idealcopy] GO4 Barbican info [Fergus Kelly ] [idealcopy] Re: Tuxedomoon ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] [idealcopy] GO4 info [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Live 8 [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Go4 to play ....but Verlaine & co in Manc' er also seems a good prospect [Derek White Subject: [idealcopy] Guns before Barbican Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:57:39 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Go4 to play Entertainment Don't think anyone's mentioned this yet - the Go4 are to play Entertainment all the way through at the Barbican in London on 24 Sept. Flag;Burning sure started something. ))) Great stuff - but why the Barbican ? Bands are just lost in there, and the seating arrangement means most of the audience will be pretty far away. Don't mean to sound like a right ingrate, but why not... Shepard's Bush Empire... or better still, 3 nights at the Garage, for a bit of up-close-and-personal.. I guess the thing is to find out if there's warm-up.. At least the Chapmans won't fuck it up. Fergus ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:52:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] GO4 Barbican info http://www.barbican.org.uk/generic/details.asp? eventID=3411&artFormID=2&artForm=music ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:49:33 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Tuxedomoon > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:21:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jan Noorda > Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Tuxedomoon > > Because there was some talking on their list recently about our fab4, it is maybe not bad to announce one of their upcoming remarkable projects. Could be there are some tux fans here and/or Wire fans there. I am one thats for sure. > > Dear People! > > I would like to proudly notify you about the great historical event TUXEDOMOON will do in AM*DAM, in the end of this & 1st half of next month. > For the period of 3rd till 15th of july , they will be busy In our festival NEW ATLANTIS with teaching music, writing musicscores for marchingbands & choirs , besides making their new film 'the BARDO HOTEL' in which this all will be recorded! On the 24th of june, they will have a pressconference at the iLLUSEUM(15.00 o'clock) & a surprise gig after (after 17.00 o'clock) > the 25th they do a big multimedia concert , which will be the collaboration between 2 festivals NEW ATLANTIS & TEST-PORTAL at the NDSM-island, also in AM*DAM. > For more information : http://www.illuseum.com/atlantis/1-new-atlantis.htm > and: www.Test-Portal.nl > > j > **************** Jan, after raving about Wire on TuxDMoon list , truth is that all members there are in fact HUGE Wire fans. Just remember mails month ago.. Shame that intensity of mailing failed after that, it start to look like Ideal Copy list. best.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] GO4 info Don't think that last link worked, so here's the info from The Barbican's site - Gang of Four DONT LOOK BACK Gang of Four performing the 1979 classic Entertainment One of the most influential post-punk bands to emerge into Thatcherite Britain. The searing combination of Andy Gills aggressive, propulsive guitar stabs and the politically charged vocals of Jon King, unwaveringly driven by the rhythm section of Dave Allen on bass and Hugo Burnham hadnt been seen on a UK stage for 20 years until Jan 05 when they reformed to rave reviews. Tonight the original line-up perform their seminal debut album Entertainment (EMI), its songs of frustration, acute social observation and dry sarcasm still resonate in todays apathetic and demotivated climate Produced by All Tomorrows Parties in association with the Barbican and by arrangement with X-Ray event list contemporary classical Venue Title: Barbican Hall Sat 24 Sep 8pm Tickets #25 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:57:56 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Live 8 > Sorry Andy Kershaw but this event is aimed squarely at kids who have > Crazy Frog on their mobile phones http://tinyurl.com/9wcuh Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:17:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Go4 to play ....but Verlaine & co in Manc' er also seems a good prospect Wow! Didn't know about *that* one, despite standing on the sliproad of the alleged 'info-s/highway most days............. I might just do that ;-) :- I knew they were playing a London date at (I think) the Brixton academy.....oh, you've done it now. I'm getting that "What if it's sold out" sinking feeling in my guts. Time to hit the M/Cer academy site, I think....... If they do the same sorta set they did last year when supporting Ms Smith (they're doing *that* again, aren't they?), then they opened with "1888 or so" and "Venus" off the "reprise" CD, also "Call Mr Lee" from the same disk. All the rest of the sublime 45 or so minutes they did, with the exception of "Little Johnny Jewel" was off "Marquee Moon":- all the stuff you expect to hear, title track, "prove it".....and not a SINGLE THING off "Adventure" which ought to please you no end. Only thing is, I know it's sort of pale sat alongside "MM", but I still think it's a great album by anyone else's standards. OK, there's some 'filler' on there, but stuff like "Foxhole" is more than adequate compensation, IMHO. I must make a mental note get a new roll of film in the box Brownie to capture more pics of Richard Lloyd's 'pained guitar-slinger' grimacing . And try to tempt a friend to go along, so I have a lift there:- last year I only caught six or seven numbers by Patti Smith before I had to haul off down the railway station:- I'm too long in the tooth to spend 5 or 6 hours sleeping on a waiting-room bench at Oxford Rd waiting for the early morning train, just for the sake of another half hour in Ms Smith's company. Now had the running order been reversed, I might have *had* to do it..... ;-) Actually, Patti Smith was way better than I'd feared, just not worth a night of discomfort............. Actually, the running order was a moot point:- Don't say it *too* loud around Patti, but where I was stood (about 6 or 7 rows from the front ) most people seemed to have turned up to see Television, mainly, and were a bit miffed they weren't the main course............. Keith A wrote: > ah , so that's when the remix album comes out i guess. tickets on sale yet? > > sounds like a good potential IC meet up...............p Never mind GO4. I'm off to see Television at Manchester Academy 2 next week. I can't tell you how much I'm lookin forward to seeing this. I'm just hoping they don't play too much off Adventure ; ) K. np Paul Simpson - dream diaries - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:33:34 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Go4 to play ....but Verlaine & co in Manc' er also seems a go... >>If they do the same sorta set they did last year when supporting Ms Smith (they're doing *that* again, aren't they?),<< No, two headline sets at the rather sterile QEH. >> then they opened with "1888 or so" and "Venus" off the "reprise" CD, also "Call Mr Lee" from the same disk. << Ahem, Venus is track 2 of Marquee Moon ;-) >> All the rest of the sublime 45 or so minutes they did, with the exception of "Little Johnny Jewel" was off "Marquee Moon":- all the stuff you expect to hear, title track, "prove it".....and not a SINGLE THING off "Adventure" which ought to please you no end. << Far from it - at ULU last year they opened with The Dream's Dream (as per the fabulous Rhino live album of last year), which was a truly brilliant moment - - and made a change from 1880.... which has been the opener on all the other occasions I've seen 'em (T&C '92, SBE '01, QEH '02). And they also played Glory, Careful and Foxhole off Adventure - I've also seen them play Days - though sadly they've not attempted Ain't that Nothing, which I'd love to see them play. MM tracks were (off the top of my head) Venus, See no evil, Marquee Moon, Prove it, Friction - plus Little Johnny Jewel. They do play a lot of Television too - as well as 1880 and Call Mr Lee they pretty much always play Rhyme (the long noir track) and I've seen them play In world, No Glamour for Willi and Rocket at recent gigs too. Depends on how belligerent they feel - whether they want to play the 'crowd pleasers' or loads of stuff off the 3rd album (which is massively underrated IMO - hearing those songs live really emphasises how good some of them are). BTW, Television's 1992 revival for that album is ongoing. They didn't split afterwards, and there is, apparently, another one in the works (it's about due - there was a 14-year gap between the second and third, which makes album #4 due in 2006). Though they've not attempted any new material so far... >> Only thing is, I know it's sort of pale sat alongside "MM", but I still think it's a great album by anyone else's standards. OK, there's some 'filler' on there, but stuff like "Foxhole" is more than adequate compensation, IMHO. << If Television had made one album called Adventure, they'd still be hailed as a classic band. There's very little wrong with it - if Marque Moon is a 10 (which it most definitely is) then Adventure is about an 8.5. Television is a worthy 7 by that yardstick. Mr Astbury, explain yourself! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:35:55 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Go4 to play ....but Verlaine & co in Manc' er also seems a go... > If Television had made one album called Adventure, they'd still be hailed as > a classic band. There's very little wrong with it - if Marque Moon is a 10 > (which it most definitely is) then Adventure is about an 8.5. Television is a > worthy 7 by that yardstick. > > Mr Astbury, explain yourself! This list is like a psychiatrists couch to me ; ) If Marquee Moon is a 10 (and there's absolutely no doubt about that in my mind), the Adventure is a...3? Seriously, if it was by anyone else, it'd be better regarded - by me anyway. But after MM (still one of the greatest albums ever IMO), Adventure was so disappointing. In fact, in terms of disappointment, it's like Wire following up Pink Flag with ...But Seriously Folks ; ) And as for the title - well, Adventure was a trifle misleading* wasn't it. Lifeless would have been a better choice. But seriously (folks!) what can I say? Twenty Seven years later, and I still haven't got over the sense of disappointment... K. NP The Fall - Unutterable * Actually I think Trifle Misleading would be a good band name! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:16:28 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Andy Kerfuck >>I need to weigh in on behalf of Mr Kershaw here, who is on the whole a good thing in British society. Given his commitment to African music over the years - travelling around Mali, Chad and the like - I think it's inevitable that he would be disappointed that there is so little African music at Live8. And Geldof could have stuck some more on - people would still have turned up for Coldplay and U2. As it is they will now all be stuck off down at the Eden Project in Cornwall.<< Couldn't agree more. I fully understand Geldof's point about the purpose of the exercise, but why lay yourself open to criticism when sticking four African acts with a decent profile on the bill (say, Tinariwen, Baaba Maal, Youssou N'Dour, Mori Kante) would have avoided any criticism. It's called risk management. >>I am personally avoiding Geldof whenever I can in the media at present as he is irritating the hell out of me. What was all that rubbish about picking up the French by boat - how will the English Channel cope if this comes off? What happens when a small boat is hit by a bigger one? And although I've never sold a ticket on eBay in my life, even that rant irritated me - Live8 will get the money from the original sale and some of the profits from the sell-on may even find its way to them. << Don't doubt the sincerity of his philanthropy, but he does tend to speak first, think later. Gets results though. I'm quite happy so long as he doesn't get the ol' acoustic out for a medley of the Rats' greatest "hits" - or worse, his fiddle-de-dee solo cod-Oirish stuff. >>And I can't help feeling he's missing a trick by not linking in the protest to climate change. Unless G8 does something about that pretty damn quick Africa and a lot more are going to hell in a handcart.<< Agreed. Are they still focusing on dropping the debt when that campaign has actually worked, if perhaps not to 100% satisfaction, to a sufficient degree to be considered a result? Need to look beyond that - getting America to buy into Kyoto would seem to be the most pressing issue now... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Go4 to play ....but Verlaine & co in Manc' er also seems a go... MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >> then they opened with "1888 or so" and "Venus" off the "reprise" CD, also "Call Mr Lee" from the same disk. << Ahem, Venus is track 2 of Marquee Moon ;-) ///// Doh !!!!! Of course it is:- that's the result of editing a post in a hurry......honest ! ;-) ............If Television had made one album called Adventure, they'd still be hailed as a classic band. There's very little wrong with it - if Marque Moon is a 10 (which it most definitely is) then Adventure is about an 8.5. Television is a worthy 7 by that yardstick. Mr Astbury, explain yourself! ///// Yeah, what about it Keith....? :-0 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:49:13 -0400 From: rose_dan@colstate.edu Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire @ Wire I dunno if anybody answered your question and I'm too lazy to look at the weeks worth of mail that's piled up since I got back from vacation (a week of experimental Jazz at The Vision Festival in NY. Yipppeee!). To the point: it comes from a Steve Lacy song called The Wire. Free Jazz kinda stuff...... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Fergus Kelly Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:45 am Subject: [idealcopy] Wire @ Wire > Ian B said: > > > The mystery was solved this weekend when I picked up a > > flyer in a city > centre record shop (Jumbo) of the same design but with > > the smallprint > explaining "Wire will be a new venue...Wire's music > policy will be based > around Indie, Rock & Roll, Alternative Dance, Electro > & Drum and Bass" > > Not sure I approve > > ))) Not sure the lads would either.. how fucking > unoriginal... swipe a band's name and slap it on your > venue... honest to god.. can't they give these things > at least a nanosecond of thought.. > ...would be kinda funny if Wire (in a parallel > world)actually played there... Wire at Wire... > > Fergus > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! 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