From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #147 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, June 2 2005 Volume 08 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Cretin hop [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] From Vienna to Crazy Frog ["John Hobson" ] Re: [idealcopy]Penguin Cafe Orchestra/ was Fall antics [Derek White ] [idealcopy] OT:- Coldplay & da frog/Ure and Dolce...... [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: bizarre TV appearances ["Keith A" Subject: [idealcopy] Cretin hop Tim said: The 'concept' behind the huge-eyed irritating frog and his hen/dragon pals is that If you advertise something 3 times every ad-break on Sky, Living TV, Channel 5...and now..gulp Channel 4 lots of other channels people will eventually give in and buy it....mostly Children. ))) That fucking frog is the most detestable fucking thing to appear on TV. I just have to race to the remote to mute the little fucker before my blood boils over, and then just close my eyes. Just wish I had earlids. If I had the money, I'd commission Terry Gilliam to do a live vivisection on him. Fergus __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:44:47 +0100 From: "John Hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] From Vienna to Crazy Frog - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:55 AM Subject: [idealcopy] From Vienna to Crazy Frog > Crazy Frog is a the shittiest, most anodine, most cynical, most moronic > piece of Marketing ever. Everyone involved should be sent to Camp X-Ray > and forced to watch to their 'efforts' on an endless tape loop...for > eternity. > > The 'concept' behind the huge-eyed irritating frog and his hen/dragon > pals is that If you advertise something 3 times every ad-break on Sky, > Living TV, Channel 5...and now..gulp Channel 4 lots of other channels > people will eventually give in and buy it....mostly Children. > > I have never ever witnessed anything so pointless and idiotic be > advertised so relentlessly in such a banal and ruthless fashion. I hope > kids have the sense to pull up their hoodies and see it for the > cretinous crap that it is. > > Mind you, at least they're not listening to fucking Coldplay!!!! I take it you don't like it then :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:50:07 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: [idealcopy] Re: PCO PCO wast the quaint, cute and brilliant brainchild of the late Simon Jeffes. (not Giles Farnaby, who predeceased Jeffes by a few hundred years - see: http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/appendix/Composers/F/GilesFarnaby.html) PCO's first commercial release, Music from the Penguin Cafe, was on Brian Eno's Obscure label (http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/obscure.html) I would classify them 20th century chamber music. The YMO analogy falls short on several levels. Lets see, YMO were exclusivly synthesists, featured vocals and were comprised of three 'stars' in their own right, along with one member's wife who was a superstar vocalist (Akiko Yano). PCO's output was almost exclusively acoustic instrumentals (with the exception of telephone and tape loops, had no vocals and were comprised several unknowns. PCO could never fill Wembley's 11,000 seats on a single evening, much less threee successive evenings at the 55,000 seat Tokyodome YMO reunion filled in 1995. The only commonality I can see is that both groups' names consist of three words, the last being Orchestra. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy]Penguin Cafe Orchestra/ was Fall antics Re Penguin Cafe Orchestra, Tim wrote: They were sort of the Moby of their day then?! In that they were used a-plenty by ad-men & TV producers etc, I'd guess that's fair comment, although there is practically zero musical commonality. Although PCO's position in the great musical continuum is a curious one, in that they never seemed to me to have any relationship whatsoever to the 'rock' world, whatever that is:- they were, more likely a bunch of former classical orchestral-type musos who'd gotten hacked off with endlessly repeating works by long-dead and/or forgotten composers..... PCO did the Uni/poly/college touring circuit, but barring occasional use of an electric bass guitar, I've never heard standard 'rock combo' stuff in there. This notwithstanding, the first time I ever saw them on TV was the OGWT 'Reveiw of the year' type compilation show, screened on New Year's day 1986, and you often find their stuff racked alongside rock etc albums in shops. I suspect their natural TV element, though, would have been as the act at the end of the Beeb's "Late Reveiw",( when it was a separate program, rather than tacked onto Newsnight). My reference to the PCO vis-a-vis Arcade Fire was *slightly* tounge-in-cheek, really, rather alluding to the unusual, everything-except-the-kitchen-sink range of instruments AF were employing, rather than any tangible stylistic parallels. Perhaps they'd been to the same instrument warehouse closing down sale......... ;-) And , there's something rather life-affirming about the sound both outfits make, to my ears anyways. [Apologies for the UKTV references that won't have made things any clearer for non-uk listees] dw Tim wrote: Derek White wrote: > > As for The Penguin Cafe Orchestra,The one I guess that most of you > will have heard is "Telephone and rubber band", which was used in a > 1-to-1 phone network ad. It sounded, unsurprisingly, just like a > telephone and a rubber band: consist! ing as it did of a looped > 'dial-tone', with some accoustic upright bass noodling, and topped > off with a scrapy violin or two. Also their piece "Perpetuum > Mobile" and "Music for a Found Harmonium" crops up all the time on > TV. They were sort of the Moby of their day then?! For the curious, I'd recommend the compilation "Airs and > Yodels:- a Penguin Cafe primer".......To hear that Bez has > name-checked them, though, is something I find utterly astounding, as > nothing he's ever been involved with points in that direction AT ALL I quote (and the grammar and spelling is all Bez's) "...My mate astounds us both at that very moment by findin that the hi-fi can play two tapes at the same time. What a bearin this has on the trip; there was Penguin Cafe an Frank Zappa blastin out at the same time. My physical existence in time an space was facin an unreasonable multitude of questionin; I had to give in an accept that reality was goin to be evadin me for the time bein." Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Twice..... :-( ) PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: actually i can already see that this will be coldplay's crowning glory and the one thing they're remembered for in 10 years time. you know , i could warm to that frog.......p ps missed later , were the eels and fat frankie any use? - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:22:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: [idealcopy] OT:- Coldplay & da frog/Ure and Dolce...... Ignore the last post! In the interests of avoiding duplication, I should have read Mark B's first before hitting reply. Still, funny, ain't it .......;-) - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:32:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cretin hop Fergus Kelly wrote: ))) That fucking frog is the most detestable fucking thing to appear on TV. I just have to race to the remote to mute the little fucker before my blood boils over, and then just close my eyes. Just wish I had earlids. If I had the money, I'd commission Terry Gilliam to do a live vivisection on him. //// Now *that* would be TV to savour. If you're passing the hat round, count me in for a fiver. ;-) Seriously though, apparently the little shit is a serious scam, in that when little Johnny dials-up to download the wee menace, it's not just a one-off, but an ongoing subscription, which costs plenty pence every time the inane thing fires up, and then Johnny goes tearfully to mum, wondering why his mobile phone's out of credit, even though he topped up the day before. Is there an amphibian variant of mixamatosis , I wonder? dw - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:23:35 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: bizarre TV appearances > ...and the appearance of Sparks on Richard and Judy, circa 1993, doing > 'National Crime Awareness Week' Talking of Sparks... Apparently they're on the Future Retro album, where 'mainly modern' groups remix 80's stuff. They remix Mozzer's Suedehead, with NO's Bizarre Love Triangle also featuring (remixed by The Crystal Method whoever they are). Source of this is this months Mojo magazine, which also features a photo of the Pizza Express Ozzy Osbourne pizza. Remarkable likeness!! K. np V/A - Mojo: Beyond Punk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:33:10 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: B video on Swap Shop I did mention this once before on here and I am convinced that it happened. I was 14 at the time. Noel's reaction can best be described as startled. Mine was similar I suppose, but it kind of planted a seed that took a while to flower. And unlike Noel, I haven't gone on to kill anyone in the name of primetime TV entertainment:-) It's not as improbable as it sounds -- at the time promo vids were just kicking off and were being shown all over the place wherever there was a wee slot to fill. Convinced that my memory is correct - just wish someone would back me up on it! Passing Strangers by Ultravox was on Swap Shop too, to cut into another thread. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:36:24 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Penguin Cafe and Newman on Swap Shop PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: >>>One to treasure alongside the appearance of the 'B' video on Multi-Coloured >>>Swap Shop. >>> >>>Howard >> > > ///// it also got shown on OGWT though , so maybe your memory's from that Doubt it, way past my bedtime in those days . would love to have seen noel's reaction to it ;-) p Probably didn't pay the slightest attention to it like everything else on the show. Was it not Noely that John Peel said had no records in his house because his missus though they attracted too much dust? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #147 *******************************