From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #137 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, May 23 2005 Volume 08 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy] Punk'd ["David McKenzie" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall antics ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Profile ["Ian B" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 08:25:35 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy] Punk'd Funny to see various comments about puerile and childish behavior. As I recall, that was largely the point. David (wondering if beige is the new black) (an obscure reference to someone's comment about coldplay) Meanwhile ... has anyone else discovered the marvelous flyrec label? I've been revisiting Perfect Disaster's Heaven Scent this past week The good parts are really quite marvelous and the depressing stuff less (Lou) Reedy then I remembered. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 09:52:44 EDT From: Circlejerk04@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] jane gazzo's dream ticket Does anyone know how to record off of the bbc's website? I wish to get that joy division set from last wednesday. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:24:29 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall antics On 5/21/05, Mark wrote: > Here, for the first time on Later for a very long while, was feral rock > music developed under its own rules, not muso-finessed old toss. Absolutely right. I've no particular vested interest in the Fall, although I'm certainly partial from time to time; it was, however, pretty much everything that I'd hope of an appearance amid Holland's ghastly back-slapping muso-fest.... The refusal to join in with the introductory jamming session was, of course, completely childish. Hurrah for childishness, amid so much that's adult and mature and self-satisfied. Hurrah, too, for refusing to join in with the general bonhomie, for rejecting the shallow pretence that all music is great and all musicians are wonderful. Hurrah, for a band that can still manage to create those kind of punch-the-air-in-celebration moments after so long. The first song was indeed an utter shambles. Hurrah for that, when every other band seems to use the show as a career-defining moment, or a marketing opportunity, or a reward for past endeavours. Hurrah for chance, for randomness, for possibility. And hurrah for the second song, also an utter shambles and yet stalked by that filthy bastard of a riff, exactly the sound that the Fall should be making in 2005. Mighty, I thought. No, the world didn't end. Yes, Holland will be back next week, with another transmission from music's comfort zone. But at least something slightly different happened, a minor interruption to normal service. At least someone stood up and sneered at it all, before shuffling off to tell the tale to anyone who'd listen in the local boozer. Hurrah for that. Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:01:29 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall antics I was home from the pub somewhat the worse for drink myself, looking forward to The Fall on Later. I enjoyed the idiots-on-TV wave in the intro, but was very disappointed by the first song. Leaving aside any notion of how subversive and against the grain it might have been as some have suggested to see The Fall on Later, it just wasn't very good. The band seemed okay but Smith just seemed spent and sad. I know it's around twenty years apart but I recall their appearance on The Tube playing (IIRC) Smile. It was electrifying (maybe a heightened sense of tension due to my dad's drunk-by-teatime anger at thge sonic dread marring the end of his working week, but nevertheless...) whereas this was just poor. I had no interest in the other artists and am not even a regular viewer and I didn't manage to stave off sleep or the effective use of a VCR before the second number, so can't comment, but after looking forward since I heard on this list that they'd be on, I'm not really too bothered. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:21:11 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Profile Surprisingly little comment here so far about Profile. Are people bedding it in? On a couple of listens I'm enjoying it, with only slight reservations. Apart from a couple of exceptions, the lyrics seem largely interchangeable (Newman recites his junk email cut-ups or whatever they are and then sings killer chorus). This is fine given that the lyrics are usually secondary and the music and vocals so engaging, but is a little stylistically limiting. Stand-out track for me is They Are. I briefly thought we might be having a Their Terrain type lyrical moment about re-formed Wire until things quickly become ever more ludicrous. Not yet listened to the free ep. Newman was my 'way-in' to Wire way back at the release of A-Z and I've loved much of what he's done outside of Wire since then, until Tree; Bastard just never grabbed me and I've barely investigated Immersion. So I'm pleased with how Githead is turning out. I wonder if it has legs for the long haul - or even if it's intended to. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #137 *******************************