From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #136 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, May 22 2005 Volume 08 : Number 136 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Fall antics [Bart van Damme ] RE: [idealcopy] Fall antics ["Keith Knight" ] RE: [idealcopy] Fall antics [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall antics [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Fall synths [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 11:17:37 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall antics The Fall oozed lack of respect for the show with childish behaviour. It didn't make me feel like: "Yeah, punkrock anarchy & decadence!" They don't belong in Later and they show it to us. Why did they come in the first place I wonder. Nice to see them on telly, but a bit of a disappointment. I was more gripped by Mose Allison. Of course everyone knows the Pixies' Bossanova song "Allison" was about him. Liked Robert Plant (in spite of persian rug & incense) & Go Team. Bart > To the BBCs credit it was left in. Jools made a joke out of it by > getting the audience to sing along with the still droning moog. > > The Fall all trooped off at the end of the song....bands normally hang > around and join in the communal 'vibe'. The Fall also refused to take > part in the opening jam session where all the bands play at the opening > of each show, instead waving to the audience and pulling faces as the > camera panned to them. > > The performance was 'I Can Hear the Grass Grow' and 'Blindness'. The > current Fall band were on good form, MES was typically shambolic, half > arsed and incomprehensible....and if you hadn't heard him before (as a > lot of viewers won't have) you'd probably wonder what all the fuss was > about...he just sort of whined a bit over the music. > For 'Blindness' MES wore one leather glove a-la Alvin Stardust, and > budged the current ladyfriend out of the way to fluff the keyboard intro. > > The Go Team would be great if they didn't dress in 80s sweatbands and > jogging gear the 118 118 men off that advert. > > Athlete were the most appalling thing here, and their ambition seems to > be write songs that the producers of the next series of The X-Factor > will use to soundtrack the slo-mo bits where people get rejected by the > judges and cry (instead of Coldplay). Utter bollocks. > > Still, as our overseas counterparts are keen to remind us...we are very > lucky to have this programme. At least the Manic Street Preachers > weren't on. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:45:49 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall antics Their behaviour was pretty puerile (not so much the refusing to join in bit, as other bands have done that, but the gurning and waving) but the music was hot, especially Blindness. I thought The Go! Team were more shambolic than when I saw them live a few months back but they will have won friends for that performance cuz their stuff is so damn catchy. They are fronted basically by a demented aerobics instructor as I think I said at the time. And I thought Bob Plant did a fine job. Less impressed by Mose Allison but thanks for the Pixies info Bart. If I had ever known that I'd forgotten it. Although Bossanova is an album I never go back to, unlike the others - much the weakest of the output IMHO. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bart van Damme Sent: 21 May 2005 10:18 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall antics The Fall oozed lack of respect for the show with childish behaviour. It didn't make me feel like: "Yeah, punkrock anarchy & decadence!" They don't belong in Later and they show it to us. Why did they come in the first place I wonder. Nice to see them on telly, but a bit of a disappointment. I was more gripped by Mose Allison. Of course everyone knows the Pixies' Bossanova song "Allison" was about him. Liked Robert Plant (in spite of persian rug & incense) & Go Team. Bart > To the BBCs credit it was left in. Jools made a joke out of it by > getting the audience to sing along with the still droning moog. > > The Fall all trooped off at the end of the song....bands normally hang > around and join in the communal 'vibe'. The Fall also refused to take > part in the opening jam session where all the bands play at the opening > of each show, instead waving to the audience and pulling faces as the > camera panned to them. > > The performance was 'I Can Hear the Grass Grow' and 'Blindness'. The > current Fall band were on good form, MES was typically shambolic, half > arsed and incomprehensible....and if you hadn't heard him before (as a > lot of viewers won't have) you'd probably wonder what all the fuss was > about...he just sort of whined a bit over the music. > For 'Blindness' MES wore one leather glove a-la Alvin Stardust, and > budged the current ladyfriend out of the way to fluff the keyboard intro. > > The Go Team would be great if they didn't dress in 80s sweatbands and > jogging gear the 118 118 men off that advert. > > Athlete were the most appalling thing here, and their ambition seems to > be write songs that the producers of the next series of The X-Factor > will use to soundtrack the slo-mo bits where people get rejected by the > judges and cry (instead of Coldplay). Utter bollocks. > > Still, as our overseas counterparts are keen to remind us...we are very > lucky to have this programme. At least the Manic Street Preachers > weren't on. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 07:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall antics I know that there's a lot of Fall fans on the list, and *maybe* some of them will post here in defence of MES's merry band's appearance on Later, though quite what they'd find about the performance to enthuse over I can't even guess at. It's not, I suspect, news to say I don't have much time for MES/The Fall, but even I was taken aback by just how shambling and utterly bloody pointless they were. I didn't actually see the intro 'gurning' a couple of you spoke about, but nothing prepared me for the sheer shite-ness of their reading of the Move's "I can hear the grass grow". Until now, I thought an old band of mine held the record for the single worst version of this song EVER:- (My vocal bellowing at extreme range so truly appalling the song got just one outing before being dumped), but jeez, MES & co has us beaten hands down. He muttered his way through the piece looking for all the world like a bemused wino who'd wandered in off the street before some over-zealous floor manager pushed him in front of a mic, with only a very tenuous grasp on where he was, let alone what song he was doing. I'd heard from the cognoscenti that this version of the band were well-drilled:- god only knows what a BAD Fall sounds like, as I thought they really stank. And aas for the droning synth note schtick:- har har. Laugh ? I thought I'd never start. If this is where we are at, with the authentic "never-sold-out" vision of the punk ethic, then people, we are truly up shit creek. They were about as edgy and dangerous as being battered by a daffodil weilded by a half-comatose drunk. If MES's current band has any self-respect, they'll tell the old sod to put his teeth back in and sort his act out, or quit. Utterly woeful, all told. Athlete were more like athlete's foot, in that they were inclined to irritate and stunk a bit. Their opening song was like listening to a version of Coldplay's opus "Yellow" only ten times blander, and you have to say, that takes *some* doing. The Go! Team were all fizz & no substance. Lots of energy expended, but to no real effect. Considering the area they operate in (sorta rock/indie/hip-pop hybrid)They sounded *real* old hat to me. First TV appearance, we gather, and probably their last. Mose Allison's 2nd number (a wry observation about being an old codger) was mildly diverting, the by-now-obligatory 'world music' artist I missed due to extreme disinterest and making a cup of tea. Which leaves Robert Plant. OK, some credit for not trying to produce L.Zep mk2, and the near-accoustic version of "When the levee breaks was" interesting for those people who like to see artists doing total re-treads of familiar songs, but on the whole, this was yet another edition of 'later' that illustrates that the show has had it's day, and not only is Mr Holland scraping the bottom of the barrel, last night's ladle-full also came up with a liberal amount of splinters in it. I know some non-UK (or NL!) may claim we're lucky to have this show, I'm not sure you'd say that if you'd seen the last few series. And next week, what do we have? Van Morrison. And a bunch of others, making their 3rd or 4th bow on the show. Oh Joy............. :-( glumly, dw. ps:- Regarding last week:- anyone else think that Arcade Fire sounded like the bastard offspring of the Talking Heads and The Penguin Cafe Orchestra? Just me , then.......;-) Keith Knight wrote: Their behaviour was pretty puerile (not so much the refusing to join in bit, as other bands have done that, but the gurning and waving) but the music was hot, especially Blindness. I thought The Go! Team were more shambolic than when I saw them live a few months back but they will have won friends for that performance cuz their stuff is so damn catchy. They are fronted basically by a demented aerobics instructor as I think I said at the time. And I thought Bob Plant did a fine job. Less impressed by Mose Allison but thanks for the Pixies info Bart. If I had ever known that I'd forgotten it. Although Bossanova is an album I never go back to, unlike the others - much the weakest of the output IMHO. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bart van Damme Sent: 21 May 2005 10:18 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall antics The Fall oozed lack of respect for the show with childish behaviour. It didn't make me feel like: "Yeah, punkrock anarchy & decadence!" They don't belong in Later and they show it to us. Why did they come in the first place I wonder. Nice to see them on telly, but a bit of a disappointment. I was more gripped by Mose Allison. Of course everyone knows the Pixies' Bossanova song "Allison" was about him. Liked Robert Plant (in spite of persian rug & incense) & Go Team. Bart > To the BBCs credit it was left in. Jools made a joke out of it by > getting the audience to sing along with the still droning moog. > > The Fall all trooped off at the end of the song....bands normally hang > around and join in the communal 'vibe'. The Fall also refused to take > part in the opening jam session where all the bands play at the opening > of each show, instead waving to the audience and pulling faces as the > camera panned to them. > > The performance was 'I Can Hear the Grass Grow' and 'Blindness'. The > current Fall band were on good form, MES was typically shambolic, half > arsed and incomprehensible....and if you hadn't heard him before (as a > lot of viewers won't have) you'd probably wonder what all the fuss was > about...he just sort of whined a bit over the music. > For 'Blindness' MES wore one leather glove a-la Alvin Stardust, and > budged the current ladyfriend out of the way to fluff the keyboard intro. > > The Go Team would be great if they didn't dress in 80s sweatbands and > jogging gear the 118 118 men off that advert. > > Athlete were the most appalling thing here, and their ambition seems to > be write songs that the producers of the next series of The X-Factor > will use to soundtrack the slo-mo bits where people get rejected by the > judges and cry (instead of Coldplay). Utter bollocks. > > Still, as our overseas counterparts are keen to remind us...we are very > lucky to have this programme. At least the Manic Street Preachers > weren't on. - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 14:17:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall antics >>I know that there's a lot of Fall fans on the list, and *maybe* some of them will post here in defence of MES's merry band's appearance on Later, though quite what they'd find about the performance to enthuse over I can't even guess at.<< Well, plenty. Here, for the first time on Later for a very long while, was feral rock music developed under its own rules, not muso-finessed old toss. It wasn't the greatest performance by The Fall - though Blindness is an absolute stone Fall classic. But it doesn't detract from the thrill of something 'other' infiltrating Jools' staid, chummy, nationally televised show. MES is probably more famous now than he's ever been - which is quite some achievement given how bad things got after Hanley & Scanlon left. Of the rest of the stuff on display, I was encouraged that the Go Team were slightly inept kids rather than smug 40 year -old DJ/producer types (which I'd assumed they were); Bob Plant's world music pipe'n'slippers Sub-Zep stuff was pleasant enough (but imagine Page in his pomp playing that second song). And Athlete stank worse than any previously witnessed Coldsailor types, which is some achievement given the competition. As for the Pixies/Mose Allison thing, the fact that Frank says "Song about Mose Allison" at the start of the video to 'Allison' is a bit of a giveaway! Though it's hard to see where the influence actually applies... Frank is on next week, BTW, solo sadly. Pixies would have been nicer... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 18:36:26 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Fall synths : << To the BBCs credit it was left in. Jools made a joke out of it by getting the audience to sing along with the still droning moog. >> It was a Korg MS20. I know cos I've got one - delighted to see the Fall using one too. Anorak off and out Howard ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #136 *******************************