From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #128 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, May 14 2005 Volume 08 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Mama Too Tight [Fergus Kelly ] [idealcopy] overflowing enthusiasm ["Cambra, Robert" ] [idealcopy] Go4 [k erickson ] Re: [idealcopy] Go4 [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: new order/jonathan ross [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 02:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Mama Too Tight Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:38:33 -0700 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Jazz punk In '81 my sax playing bandmate and friend asked Ted Milton about his influences; mentioned all these wild avant garde sax players. He hadn't heard of any of them. ))) I'm sure Archie Shepp would've been one of them. Check out the Impulse! CD reissues: Fire Music & Mama Too Tight. Wonderful stuff. Highly recommended. Not quite in the same vien, but equally highly recommended: Four For Trane. When I hear the term punk-jazz I assume experienced jazz players playing raw rather than the other way around. ))) Yeah. A playing style initiated in the late 60s often referred to as ecstatic. Borrowing from Shepp's LP, they have also been referred to as fire musicians. And I wouldn't consider Blurt jazz. The term punk funk might be closer. ))) That about sums it up alright. Fergus Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:02:37 -0700 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] overflowing enthusiasm A great way to put it Kieth. This is one of the things I've always loved about Wire, and loved so much about the Gang of Four last week. Re: Arcade Fire, "Lots of off-mike singing by band members too, which was oddly also something noticeable at VdGG when David Jackson sang along whenever he didnt have a sax or two clamped to his mouth - it gives the impression of overflowing enthusiasm and comes recommended." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:06:05 -0700 (PDT) From: rayographique Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot Go4 in Chicago tonite a final note to lend balance Our pal Neil, who we assumed left midway, actually was effusive in his praise, esp for Dave Allen. His comment was that we must have seen differnt shows. I dunno One theory we bandied about is that Gill sounded better with cheap gear ;) imagine jon king with a real nice accordian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:09:37 -0700 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire 'n' Eno Ha! this is nothing-time means nothing to me! You'll see . . . . Yeah, take out the blues and you have a very different animal. That really distinguishes a lot of punk and post punk, that European sound (but just what that is, besides a lack of blues influence I'm still not quite-the European classical tradition?)-though the biggest riffing influence I hear on those first two Eno albums is those Americans the VU. Simon Reynolds? Well, I do recall Colin and Eno had a ride in the back of a van one time. Robert (another) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:17:32 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire 'n' Eno >>I wasn't able to post to Idealcopy most of last year for technical reasons, so you all were spared my witty observations, bon mots dopey questions. But I've saved them up! Here's one (don't worry, they will be so old they'll seem new): Last July 9th Mark Bursa wrote "Eno's '70s albums are one of the few 'overt' influences I can hear on CM/154, for sure . . ." Mark, that's an interesting observation. They each have such strong identities for me I can't compare them. I'd like to hear more-would you explain?<< This could break records as the slowest online conversation of all time! I think I was alluding to the general streamlined European-ness of early Eno solo albums - the post-glam ones, not the ambient ones - like Wire, it seems purged of "blues" riffage - I'm talking about obvious stuff like 'Needle in the Camel's Eye' - fairly basic riffage, very streamlined sound, slightly 'mockney' vocals... Of course, if you've all been reading your Simon Reynolds, you'll have discovered a much more striking direct link between Messrs Eno & Newman ;-) Mark ****************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:16:53 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] seduction of the innocent http://www.superdickery.com/seduction/1.html just click "next" a couple of times. B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:24:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: declaring war on Holland After reading this, perhaps my long antipathy towards Mark E Smith & The Fall could be warming, somewhat. Well done that man ! I'll bet I'm not alone in wishing that it catches on among artistes working the show........ The next logical step will be getting his cast-of-thousands-of-aged-sessioneers 'band' removed from the program's 'artist roster'.....they seem to manage two full-scale appearances per season. ;-) I think it's time the whole show bit the dust, myself. It's looked pretty tired these last 4 or 5 years. dw Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: From Popbitch: > The Fall are on Jools Holland's show next week. > Mark E Smith is the only artist in the history > of the show to have a clause in his contract > inserted to state that Jools will not play > boogie-woogie piano over any of his songs. - - Andrew Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:49:14 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: new order/jonathan ross oh dear, I was hoping to be proved wrong, but that pretty much vindicates my decision not to bother with the new album, on the grounds that there is only so much disappointment that one can cope with. I was reminded of nothing so much as a really unsatisfactory wank, one of the ones where the self-loathing comes in straight afterwards, without pause. Nevertheless, thanks for the alert Paul - better to be disillusioned rather than to live in a world of self-delusion. I remember reading an interview with Barney quite a few years back in which he mentioned getting into classical music because he felt jaded with rock - perhaps that's the answer. My one Erik Satie LP certainly sounded good when I spun it the other day. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:04:45 -0500 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] tv eye enn oh I have to admit, I had a lot of reservations about the new New Order record, but I really love it. In fact, I love it a lot more than Get Ready, and I really like that record a lot. I think I get more out of the new NO record than I have any record they've made since Technique, easily. As "Jetstream" goes, you sorta have to take it for what it is: a fluffy pop song. Barney did plenty of those on the second Electronic album (which I also adore and was not expecting to enjoy). Ana's presence doesn't really seem out of place, which I was very worried about as I loathe the Scissor Sisters. Now the video IS a bit crap. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of paulrabjohn@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:41 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] tv eye tonight on "later" is arcade fire (are the fall next week?) , on j.ross is new order "featuring ana matronic". hmmm. i downloaded the NO album about a month ago but still havn't been arsed to play it back. you sort of know what's coming really.............. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 01:07:12 -0400 From: k erickson Subject: [idealcopy] Go4 Detroit show did not disappoint in the least. nostalgia may have been present in the background, but the band pushed it aside with an energetic and sustained attack. i hadn't seen any setlists, so was pleasantly surprised to hear We Live as we Dream, He'd Send in the Army (during which an appliance was abused with a baseall bat), and Sweet Jane in one of the encores. all the players were very good...they weren't tight in the same way as Wire (with their two minute bursts of furious precision), but everything came together well. i expected Gill to be the highlight for me, and i suppose he was, but the band really impressed as a whole. still a must-see for those anywhere near the remaining tour cities! - -kristoph. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 03:12:30 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Go4 In a message dated 5/14/05 1:14:26 AM, heresiarch@comcast.net writes: > > still a must-see for those anywhere near the remaining tour cities! > as the date is fast approaching, my question is then... is it a must-see even if you saw em the first time around? i've been having second thoughts, even before reading about dave's disappointment. i'm just kinda feeling like it's nothing more than a nostalgia trip for me, and should i make the trip and spend the $$ for that? help me decide. this is why i'm also torn over seeing pixies next month. only difference being the pixies gig is walking distance, interpol and lcd soundsystem are opening, and go4 is an hour drive, city parking, etc etc... point of reference...with wire it wasn't the same, because i never managed to see them before 2000. then they started releasing new material, and of course i wanted to see more of them. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 03:45:32 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: new order/jonathan ross In a message dated 13/05/2005 23:55:32 GMT Standard Time, HowardJSpencer@aol.com writes: I remember reading an interview with Barney quite a few years back in which he mentioned getting into classical music because he felt jaded with rock - perhaps that's the answer. My one Erik Satie LP certainly sounded good when I spun it the other day. /////you mean its the answer for you or for barney? ;-) i can just imagine hooky fronting an orchestra at glastonbury "hope you like our new direction......." p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #128 *******************************