From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #76 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, March 21 2005 Volume 08 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V8 #75 ["David McKenzie" ] Re: [idealcopy] re Three Years!! [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V8 #75 [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:20:27 -0600 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V8 #75 I suppose it's all a matter of perspective, but Foxx's persona was clearly defined to me on the first Ultravox! album and his solo stuff very much an extension of that. Kraftwerk would be the common touchstone for both Foxx and Numan (and virtually every other electronic act) Being that I was in the US, things reached me differently, and I was a huge Ultravox fan before I heard of Numan. AFAIK the first rock band to work with synthesizers was San Francisco's Fifty Foot Hose. Cauldron came out in 1969 and featured one Cork Marcheschi on Theremin and Oscillators. There was no keyboard, but the electronics are a prominent and essential part of every song. The album was released on Mercury Records' Experimental Classical imprint, Limelight. The only other 'pop' release on the label was an Eric Dolphy record. I bought my copy at a Detroit DJ's garage sale for a dime, along with the sublime Electronic Music from Norway which introduced me to Arne Nordheim. Cauldron was reissued a few years back and is recommended to 60's psychedelia enthusiasts. Raymond Scott meets the Jefferson Airplane. http://www.mindspring.com/~acheslow/AuntMary/bang/hose_intro.html //// i think that early foxx solo stuff was very much aimed at numan fans , those early singles were almost parody pieces. in fact i've always thought of foxx as a bit of a chancer but recently i got sent a john foxx/louis gordon album that i actually really liked (thanks howard). maybe he's finally started being himself? p - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:23:27 -0000 From: "Keith A" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: Michael Jacksons Fave Things Subject: Michael Jacksons Fave Things Topical! http://i.euniverse.com/funpages/cms_content/5367/mjs_fave_things01.swf [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of mjs_fave_things01.url] - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:00:45 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re Three Years!! >A 25 year wait is about to come to an end - Roxy Music are in the studio > working on new material. But will it be For Your Pleasure or Avalon? > I'm not holding my breath. > I'm actually sort of interested by this. But.... only if Brian Eno's involved. Brian and Bryan (Ferry) have been doing the odd tracks together on Bryan's last couple of albums, and they've been kinda cool. In an Avalon-ish way, true, but I've still enjoyed them. I suppose it's best not to get too excited though. (^_^) Cheers, Paul - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:11:31 -0600 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: [Idealcopy] NO NO NO I witness two NO shows in the 80s - one in Detroit and one in Chicago. Both were atrocious exhibitions slop and total lack of control of the technology rivaled only by Ashlee Simpson. NO recordings generally struck me as fortunate accidents. I have never considered "The Beach" a particularly good record , but the Linn hand claps defined a time, didn't they. As for the rest, perhaps Ecstasy is the only explanation for anyone would want to dance. And Barney's lyrics often sounded like they rolled out his mouth the way I used to roll out of bed, fuzzy and half in the bag. As for Kraftwerk, the Computerworld tour was an epiphany of how well technology and humanism can mesh in music. Much of the percussion was played live, but as a choice, not a lack of grasp. My recollection is that Peter Gabriel (as Real World) owned a Fairchild which Kate Bush and other used. The Fairchild was not Kraftwork's bete noire, that distinction belongs to the Synclavier. And you can't really blame technology for Ralf and Florian's getting stuck. Even when they started working with the easier newer stuff they repeated themselves. - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:11:31 -0600 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: [Idealcopy] NO NO NO I witness two NO shows in the 80s - one in Detroit and one in Chicago. Both were atrocious exhibitions slop and total lack of control of the technology rivaled only by Ashlee Simpson. NO recordings generally struck me as fortunate accidents. I have never considered "The Beach" a particularly good record , but the Linn hand claps defined a time, didn't they. As for the rest, perhaps Ecstasy is the only explanation for anyone would want to dance. And Barney's lyrics often sounded like they rolled out his mouth the way I used to roll out of bed, fuzzy and half in the bag. As for Kraftwerk, the Computerworld tour was an epiphany of how well technology and humanism can mesh in music. Much of the percussion was played live, but as a choice, not a lack of grasp. My recollection is that Peter Gabriel (as Real World) owned a Fairchild which Kate Bush and other used. The Fairchild was not Kraftwork's bete noire, that distinction belongs to the Synclavier. And you can't really blame technology for Ralf and Florian's getting stuck. Even when they started working with the easier newer stuff they repeated themselves. - ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #75 ****************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:29:57 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] re Three Years!! No chance of Eno appearing afaik. And interestingly my source informs me that the news of the studio work - which had appeared on Phil Manzanera's website - has now been removed! Someone's getting jumpy (or jumped the gun). Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Pietromonaco Sent: 20 March 2005 02:01 To: 'Ideal Copy' Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re Three Years!! >A 25 year wait is about to come to an end - Roxy Music are in the studio > working on new material. But will it be For Your Pleasure or Avalon? > I'm not holding my breath. > I'm actually sort of interested by this. But.... only if Brian Eno's involved. Brian and Bryan (Ferry) have been doing the odd tracks together on Bryan's last couple of albums, and they've been kinda cool. In an Avalon-ish way, true, but I've still enjoyed them. I suppose it's best not to get too excited though. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:57:55 -0000 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re Three Years!! > No chance of Eno appearing afaik. And interestingly my source informs > me that the news of the studio work - which had appeared on Phil > Manzanera's website - has now been removed! Someone's getting jumpy (or > jumped the gun). They're playing Isle of Wight with Morrissey this summer. http://www.isleofwightfestival.org/newsarticle.asp?articleid=16 Two of the most influential figures in alternative rock are set to play the Nokia Isle of Wight Festival on Saturday 11th June. Former Smiths front man Morrissey - the undisputed comeback kid of 2004-released his double platinum 'You Are The Quarry', his seventh solo album, last year and was the only artist to have 4 Top 10 hit singles in that period. This will be Roxy Music's first UK live appearance since their critically acclaimed world tour in 2001. Bryan Ferry, Phil Manzanera, Andy Mackay & Paul Thompson will perform their potent cocktail of classics. Morrissey & Roxy Music are joining Friday night headliners Faithless & Razorlight and Sunday's REM, Embrace and Snow Patrol to make up an unrivalled line up in the fourth Isle Of Wight festival since the 1970's. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:19:33 -0000 From: "John Hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re Three Years!! > Former Smiths front man Morrissey - the undisputed comeback kid of > 2004-released his double platinum 'You Are The Quarry', his seventh solo > album, last year and was the only artist to have 4 Top 10 hit singles in > that period. > Probably sold all of 10000 copies to achieve this! I sort of half hoped Wire would release a single in the current chart decline and horrify CD UK and actually turn up if it sold. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:26:07 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re Three Years!! In a message dated 20/03/2005 16:00:56 GMT Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: Morrissey & Roxy Music are joining Friday night headliners Faithless & Razorlight and Sunday's REM, Embrace and Snow Patrol to make up an unrivalled line up in the fourth Isle Of Wight festival since the 1970's. /////////is that unrivalled tedium? all it needs is shed seven , tim booth and kosheen to get the complete set of shite festival turns. p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:12:51 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V8 #75 In a message dated 20/03/2005 13:27:56 GMT Standard Time, ray0graph@ameritech.net writes: I suppose it's all a matter of perspective, but Foxx's persona was clearly defined to me on the first Ultravox! album and his solo stuff very much an extension of that. Kraftwerk would be the common touchstone for both Foxx and Numan (and virtually every other electronic act) Being that I was in the US, things reached me differently, and I was a huge Ultravox fan before I heard of Numan. ////hmmm , i cetainly heard ultravox! (good idea dropping the exclamation mark...) pre-numan , at the time they were widely namedropped (3 years later) in my school as a left-field new romantic act by those with floppy fringes who could see that most of the 1981/2 chart acts were a bit dire. but like early japan , i could never quit see it. i always thought foxx was mimicking someone or other , the first album ploughs a roxy/ferry furrow , the second is a really unconvincing attempt at being Punk Rock. "systems of romance" i quite liked as it was (finally) a bit subtle like they'd found themselves. but in the UK "metemetic" followed on from numan and was mocked as an attempt to follow in his slipstream with soundalike tracks like "underpass". numan was huge here and there were an awful lot of pretty dire synth acts in the next couple of years. foxx wasn't taken particularly seriously and i don't think the records sold either. suspect GN was taken a lot less seriously in the US? one thing i've always been curious to hear was the very early ure ultravox where they still did foxx-era songs. always wondered what on earth that would sound like. isn't it funny how many hits they had , yet you never hear ultravox on the radio or even mentioned. the ELO of the 80's? p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #76 ******************************