From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #55 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, February 28 2005 Volume 08 : Number 055 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Happy Chirpy Inital Post (A Serious Of Andrews) ["David M] [idealcopy] Response to Tim... [Ari ] [idealcopy] Bruce's departure and Kevin's response [ Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Happy Chirpy Inital Post (A Serious Of Andrews) Another the Andrew posted: >I remember getting into a fight with my >boss when we only got one copy of the first He Said vinyl. It all >worked out. I'm rambling... So you were...seventeen...v cool As to who is the *friendly* one, that will always be subjective. I ran into Bruce in the basement of Chicago's Cabaret Metro (then (and maybe still) known as the Smart Bar) back in 86 or so. He was standing alone at the bar having a pint after an awesome sold out set upstairs. While it might be a reflection of an unfriendly moment for others (his not whooping it up backstage awash in the post performance rockstar glow), we had a very nice chat about the Casio SK1, his role in Wire, as he saw it, the then to be released A.C. Marais album and wire's show the evening before when they played for either 4 or 40 people in Iowa. I remember him saying 4, but Charles(wmo) (who keeps better track of things wire) said it was probably 40. In either event, metro's sold out crowd of at least 1,100 was a different experience. Of course I always enjoy these discussions of who is the *friendly*, *arty*, *grumpy* wire member, as though they were the Mmonkees or the Seven Dwarves. In fact, all four are extremely complex individuals As to the solo/group thing, I contend that every individual member of wire is capable of making engaging and worthwhile music on their own (only Robert has not proven this portion). The result when 2 or 3 act in concert is even better. And the best results come from all 4 as Wire. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:56:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Response to Tim... >>No it wouldn't! << YES it would >>(I feel myself siding with Kevin Eden now! )<< Good,Kevin could use some support,I feel he was attacked unfairly,his words may have appeared to be smug (depending on how you 'read' them),but I don't think that was his intent. >>He's not fucking Phil Collins or Sting or someone like that..its Bruce << And as such,he has 'obligations' to his fans,or,as you so succinctly put it when attacking Kevin:We lined his pockets,and Yes,he is 'just a rock star',so don't elevats him to the land of the gods.As a fan I have every right to 'expect' a response,I have had several communications with Colin and he never ONCE said piss off,I'm a rock star,(other than one time before he got to 'know' me,but I won't go in to that)as ever he treated me as I would him,as I would any human being,it seems to me Tim that if Bruce did think of himself as unapproachable,then the label of smugness that you pinned on Kevin would apply to Bruce,I think not,like you and I he is a mere human being who obviously 'gets off' on the attention his gift for making music affords him,otherwise why would he 'stand on stage' as one of the centers of attraction? Like any musician who 'puts himself out there' having rappor with his fans is part and parcel of his job description. >> and he didn't get where he is today by being NICE to us fans<< Which doesn't translate to being nasty to his fans ........I suspect he'd be shocked if he thought his fans thought that. >> so why start now?! << I suspect,reading between the lines,that Bruce has always been approachable,and yes,NICE to his fans.and why not,he can't live in a vacuum,away from his fans,what sort of a lifestyle would that be? >>Thats Colin's job....and he's a GITHEAD.<< That's everybody's 'job' in a group like Wire,where all the players are 'stars'.... As a musician youself you can't tell me you don't 'enjoy' being in the limelight,you can't tell me that,when I told you I was a fan after you sent me a copy of your c.d,that it didn't give you a certain amount of 'pleasure',you didn't tell me to 'piss off',just the opposite. why would Bruce be any different? I can't imagine him NOT wanting some sort of feedback from his fans,I would think he'd be happy that his fans care enough about him that they want news of him,and why shouldn't he ?it's what makes the world go round. Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:46:11 -0000 From: Subject: [idealcopy] Bruce's departure and Kevin's response I was somewhat taken aback by Kevin's "Get Over It" mail in response to our pleading for clarification. I accept that he and Wireviews have no obligation to give us every fragment of Wirenews as it happens. And I accept that Wire mk3 weren't a top megastar band at the height of their powers. However, we are their fans, and we're not a bad bunch. Surely it wouldn't have been too much to expect something like a quick "sad news, guys" post to this list, or a pointer to a Wireviews update, rather than leaving us to find out in the way we did. And surely anyone with the diligence and attention to detail to put together a work of the standard of "Everybody Loves a History" appreciates as much as anyone how important this news is to us all ? Sean. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:43:56 -0500 From: Joren Lindholm Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Happy Chirpy Inital Post (A Serious Of Andrews) Yes, Mute records. I like the site name: mute liberation technologies (mutelibtech). I am a Wire freak. And more recently a Can freak. Mute is very smart - anyone should check their list of artists. They have also been home to a few other favs of mine (Einsturzende Neubauten). My first Wire solo project after "Commercial Suicide" was "Or So it Seems", which I picked up on vinyl back in 1990. Listening to that then was like a catapult into another world, you know. Check out the "Can DVD" for a lot of footage of the London/New York Mute offices, Daniel Miller at a London pub for release occasions, etc, all filmed by Can's manager. Joren On Sunday, February 27, 2005, at 04:30 AM, idealcopy-digest wrote: > Who you are: > > Another Andrew? 35 year old abject. Electrical engineer. Ex-Tower > Records import buyer. Who are you? Where are you? > > How you became interested in Wire: > > How do you not become interested in Wire? I was a Mute records > 'FETISH' collector in my youth. It started with the pop-surface > magnetar sheen of Vince Clarke's Yazoo electro-disco anthems. I bought > the rest of the Mute stuff since it had the same logo and before you > know it I was taking harder drugs and turned onto Duet Emmo, Diamanda > Galas, & the Dome projects. I remember getting into a fight with my > boss when we only got one copy of the first He Said vinyl. It all > worked out. I'm rambling... > > Favorite albums & songs, etc.: > > Red Tent 2 > He Said:She Said > The Ideal Copy > A.B.C. Dicks Love > Pulling 3 G's > Time Was > Hill Of Men > Cancel Your Order > Ahead > - ------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:45:44 -0000 From: "John Hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce's departure and Kevin's response In the Kingdom of the Blind the one eyed man is King. Kevin's one claim to fame is his Wire association and it gives him kudos. The message reads more like a miffed child whose best playmate has left town. Kevin will be the last person to get over it hence the tone. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "ideal copy" Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Bruce's departure and Kevin's response > I was somewhat taken aback by Kevin's "Get Over It" mail in response to our > pleading for clarification. I accept that he and Wireviews have no > obligation to give us every fragment of Wirenews as it happens. And I accept > that Wire mk3 weren't a top megastar band at the height of their powers. > However, we are their fans, and we're not a bad bunch. Surely it wouldn't > have been too much to expect something like a quick "sad news, guys" post to > this list, or a pointer to a Wireviews update, rather than leaving us to > find out in the way we did. > And surely anyone with the diligence and attention to detail to put together > a work of the standard of "Everybody Loves a History" appreciates as much as > anyone how important this news is to us all ? > Sean. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 04:04:58 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] GO4 on radio 3 last night andy kershaw had a new session by the GO4 on his radio 3 (!) show. i did tape it but not played it back yet. you can download it off the bbc website fairly easily. i presume these would have been re-workings of oldies , but who knows? (not heard anything of AK in years , his old radio 1 shows used to bore me senseless. ) p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #55 ******************************