From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #53 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, February 26 2005 Volume 08 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] Re: Madredeus ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? [Derek White ] [idealcopy] Derek wrote......... [Ari ] [idealcopy] Age ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] Punk's last gasp [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert [k erickson ] Re: [idealcopy] Punk's last gasp ["Uri Baran" ] Re: [idealcopy] Punk's last gasp [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:32:03 +0000 (GMT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert Slightly amused at some IC-ers comments about Bruce's departure. I am not at liberty to say why or what the reasons were, but I am amused with the comments of 'well they could do this, they could do that, what if they release this or raid the archives for that' It's over guys, get over it, move on. They will do what THEY want to do and if any more new or archive material surfaces then harent we the lucky ones. Life goes on. kevin eden http://www.wireviews.com/wmo/index.html "dreams that money can buy" - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:06:14 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Madredeus > From: "Tear Alistair (ST)" > Subject: [idealcopy] Madredeus > > I was passing time in the library couple > of days ago & I spotted a copy of Madredeus' 'Anthology' > only because it was at the front of the pile of newly-returned stuff > Well the name rang a little bell in my mind because of Mileta's > post so I checked it out and am enjoying it a lot. > (I like sad tunes..:-) ) > > I see that they are playing the RFH in May and am > thinking of checking them out. > Question for Mileta is, what was the line-up when you saw them. > Did they have an accordionist? > > http://tinyurl.com/6bb34 > > thanks > A Alistair, after few weeks from gig i can told you that IS most emotional gig i ever beeen. It was not such advance, because i saw The Saint few days after that, and with all respect and how much i enjoy to see them, i was still in Madredeus area. You must see them, they will play two sets with litlle pause inbetween and tour is part of ther Un Amor Infinito tour. In first part you they play songs from Un Amor Infinito ( you can download one dong from this link http://madredeus.oasi.asti.it/english.html ) and in second part they will preesnt new material from new album (name escapes me, sorry..) Line up is not one with accordian , but with synh and it sound fabulous. You will see, not oc\nve they will remind you on Cocteau Twins, but for me, btw, HUGE fan of Cocteaus, Madredeus are more organic, natural.. you will end in tears..;-) don' t worry, all songs are sad as their song said Suave Tristeza (Sweet Sadness ). If you can check, i will recommende their live album O Porto and you ca see whay you can expect, even better. If you like more old line up, then you can check first live album O Lisboa. I never saw so emotionally delivered music, it seems that voice came out from Teresa, and it looks like musiciand don't play-instead of that like music just goes out of them. Impressive!!! On above adress you can find discography (not updated), bio, etc.. also, try their official web-site, but i always have trouble with that.. there you will find and name of members, i can write but will sound like names from Porto, Benfica or Braga FC. Try also their remix album Electronico, ideal for summer, with remixes like Manitoba, Craig Armstrong, Dust, etc,etc.. Thanx for your response and i hope you will enjoy it...as much i am.. Oh yes, you can see them in Wenders Lisabon Story, Wenders was fascinated with them and arrange meeting with them in UK and after that they make complete score for movie, It is called Ainda. Very, very nice album with fantastic song Milagre (in fact that is a song after Wenders was captured) all the best.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:21:54 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert - --- kevin eden wrote: > Slightly amused at some IC-ers comments about > Bruce's departure. I am not at liberty to say why or > what the reasons were, but I am amused with the > comments of 'well they could do this, they could do > that, what if they release this or raid the archives > for that' > > It's over guys, get over it, move on. They will do > what THEY want to do and if any more new or archive > material surfaces then harent we the lucky ones. > > Life goes on. > > > kevin eden > > HMmmmmmm, I guess kevin's the realist amongst us. Still,nice to fantasize........... Ari Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:17:12 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? John Hobson wrote: .............maybe the break is enivatable. But I doubt if its the real end although I suspect that It will be many years before Wire4 turn up. //// That's part of the problem:- whatever the situation is personally between band-members, it seems to take time before whatever gravitational effect binds them together kicks in, and they re-convene again. This time however, as Bruce is the oldest (I *think* he's already 61) will he *really* want to be banging it out in what, by any yardstick is *still* a 'rock' band of whatever stripe if he's pushing 70 or whatever? These things take time, and perhaps it's a finite quantity this time around. I feel in my bones that this about wraps it up, sadly....... dw :-(( Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:22:59 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Rumour control/official statement regarding Wire See: http://www.wireviews.com/ Craig ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.com News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:32:24 -0500 From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Bruce Oh bugger it. I guess the fact that he has 'left' rather than a general announcement that they are just not going to pursue it could mean a couple of things, not necessarily mutually exclusive - one, that he has really got the hump, and two, that the other three are at the very least, keeping their options open to continue. Another question, partly borne of the horrible news about Edwyn Collins, is is Bruce all right health-wise? Note for trivia fans: given that Colin effectively 'left' during the ideal copy sessions, Mr Lewis is now the only member never to have departed. Another question, and an obvious one perhaps, but what are Lewis and Gilbert up to musically/artistically at the moment - I'm assuming that Robert is farming. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:43:37 -0000 From: "Tear Alistair (ST)" Subject: FW: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert Easy for you to say, Kevin I assume you've had a lot more time to 'get over it' A Slightly amused at some IC-ers comments about Bruce's departure. I am not at liberty to say why or what the reasons were, but I am amused with the comments of 'well they could do this, they could do that, what if they release this or raid the archives for that' It's over guys, get over it, move on. They will do what THEY want to do and if any more new or archive material surfaces then harent we the lucky ones. Life goes on. kevin eden http://www.wireviews.com/wmo/index.html "dreams that money can buy" - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Personally, I'd quite like to see a raid on the archive for all those promo films/vids for such as 'Kidney Bingoes" gathered together on one disk, with maybe some interveiw stuff etc to fill it out, as one of you has suggested...... They never get the credit their influence merits though, do they? The Gang of Four got more publicity through one week of gigs than Wire did in four years. While the Go4 are deeply significant to new music right now, I'd argue Wire cast a longer shadow overall. ////// NO , they darned well do NOT get the credit their influence deserves, beyond some other bands, and a few isolated critics/writers, and of course, isolated pockets of the 'cognoscenti' (?) , like our wee band of keyboard-clackers. Without question I'd agree that they cast a 'longer shadow' than the Go4, and a considerable number of other bands of their vintage that get name-checked far more often. >The road ahead looks quite uncertain. As ever. ///// Sadly, I fear this time it's the full-stop to a remarkable, and at times breathtaking , career of the band. I just feel it in my water that by the time they get round to wanting to make WIRE-music again, after a period of recharging, the re-convening if any won't happen for a number of years, by which point, old father time and circumstance may render the question academic. No, I fear this time it's the end. I'm just SO-OO glad they got together for one more go round, and that I finally rectified a major omission in my concert-going life and FINALLY got to see the guys, live in all their glory. I'm glad they recorded and gigged with NEW material, and didn't just indulge in a half-baked nostalgia thing. Thanks for Wire Mk 3 fellas, and if this is the end, then so be it. Thanks immensly for the ride and the veiw. dw Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:00:36 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert >>Slightly amused at some IC-ers comments about Bruce's departure. I am not at liberty to say why or what the reasons were, but I am amused with the comments of 'well they could do this, they could do that, what if they release this or raid the archives for that'<< Isn't that the point of this list? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:06:23 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumour control/official statement regarding Wire See: http://www.wireviews.com/ Well, that clears everything up! ;-) Anyway, is it actually possible to "leave" Wire? Wire (the group) exists when its four protagonists decide they want it to. Wire (the business) exists continuously. Note with interest that touring is ruled out, but recording is not. And still no mention of R&B03! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:48:11 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rumour control/official statement regarding Wire ...so that reads as if Mr Eden and Mr Thorne are incorrect. Confused? You will be! ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:15:56 -0600 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: the road ahead Various thoughts: First - "Bored with rock" just sounds so harsh...but entirely valid. The last sets I saw here in Chicago set the bar for how hard rock can be. Mature punk, if you will. And mature products by definition have reached the end of development. That said, I never got the impression that any of the other 3 are interested in slogging forth dinosaur-like across the fetid swamps of nostalgia. Second - how much more touring should WM3 have done? They made it to Chicago twice and the second time played 2 nites. And I recall endless threads about shows in Europe for a couple years. Face it - at our age the only performers who work a more sustained schedule are in Vegas or a Holiday Inn lounge somewhere. Just in, extracted thirdhand from Paul Smith's reply to the StereoSociety post which lit this thread: > To my sure & certain knowledge all four band members remain on the company > payroll,....but if Bruce's cheques start coming back uncashed I'll be sure > to > let you all know via our official website. Wire has always been a compound of unstable elements. MK3 has actually been singularly focused for a long time. My only hope is that all remain healthy and productive in some capacity for a long long time. (the bad news about Edwin Collins is instructive as to the true nature of misfortune) D (who is kicking himself for not remembering who cm hasselwolf is when he performed here back in February - I don't get out much, but would have mad a point of it) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:15:56 -0600 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: the road ahead Various thoughts: First - "Bored with rock" just sounds so harsh...but entirely valid. The last sets I saw here in Chicago set the bar for how hard rock can be. Mature punk, if you will. And mature products by definition have reached the end of development. That said, I never got the impression that any of the other 3 are interested in slogging forth dinosaur-like across the fetid swamps of nostalgia. Second - how much more touring should WM3 have done? They made it to Chicago twice and the second time played 2 nites. And I recall endless threads about shows in Europe for a couple years. Face it - at our age the only performers who work a more sustained schedule are in Vegas or a Holiday Inn lounge somewhere. Just in, extracted thirdhand from Paul Smith's reply to the StereoSociety post which lit this thread: > To my sure & certain knowledge all four band members remain on the company > payroll,....but if Bruce's cheques start coming back uncashed I'll be sure > to > let you all know via our official website. Wire has always been a compound of unstable elements. MK3 has actually been singularly focused for a long time. My only hope is that all remain healthy and productive in some capacity for a long long time. (the bad news about Edwin Collins is instructive as to the true nature of misfortune) D (who is kicking himself for not remembering who cm hasselwolf is when he performed here back in February - I don't get out much, but would have mad a point of it) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:47:01 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rumour control/official statement regarding Wire However, the official word from Wire's manager, Paul Smith, is that to his "sure and certain knowledge, all four band members remain on the company payroll". He notes that, for various reasons, a Wire tour of any kind is looking unlikely in the immediate future, but also says that Colin's Githead project has sparked rumours of Wire's demise, despite Colin still actually working hard on a selection of Wire duties. Posted by: Craig Grannell. Stop it guys. You're just playing with our emnotions ; ) > See: http://www.wireviews.com/ > > Craig ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:20:31 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: [idealcopy] BCG, Wire and the lot of it Honestly, I can't look at the possibility of a Wire member leaving with any sadness. Look at the amazing work they have done solo! Even without an active Wire in our lives you can be sure the boys would make some wonderful noise. :) If it IS a rumo(u)r, shame on you Mr. Thorne!!! Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:59:52 -0000 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: [idealcopy] Punk's last gasp I'm saddened by Bruce's official departure although like some, I never underestimate the powerful gravitational forces betwen them. For me though I always saw Wire as representing the best bits that Punk stood for and the fact that they were a driving force at its creation and the same four still putting most by the wayside 28 years later was inspiring. The motives were purer than most. Thre's no other group from Punk's creation that more represented it for me than Wire and I guess it's last spark goes with Wire. I personally don't think this incarnation ever fired properly on all 4 cylinders. Look at the facts. Graham's obvious contribution was 1 song. The setlist as Mark pointed out was getting on for two years old by the Scottish gigs and this from a group famed historically for playing whole sets of brand new material to disgruntled fans. I am fully aware of the geographical issues that make life hard to function in a traditional manner and I'm aware of interpersonal issues that also do. It's just sad that it's apparent to me that maybe not all motivations to make it work were the same. For what it's worth, in timeless tribute, I have named my company underwater experiences (see underwaterexperiences.com). Thanks to Craig for the website. This is not a sales plug as I doubt one of you will understand a word of it. ;) Uri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:20:28 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Derek wrote......... >>This time however, as Bruce is the oldest (I *think* he's already 61) << Born May 18 1946 (so he's almost a young un by my reckoning) Watford,Herts. Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:24:59 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk's last gasp Kinky website Uri! ;-) Bart > For what it's worth, in timeless tribute, I have named my company underwater > experiences (see underwaterexperiences.com). Thanks to Craig for the > website. This is not a sales plug as I doubt one of you will understand a > word of it. ;) > > Uri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:54:20 -0500 From: k erickson Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert On Friday, Feb 25, 2005, at 05:32 America/Detroit, kevin eden wrote: > Slightly amused at some IC-ers comments about Bruce's departure. I am > not at liberty to say why or what the reasons were, but I am amused > with the comments of 'well they could do this, they could do that, > what if they release this or raid the archives for that' > > It's over guys, get over it, move on. They will do what THEY want to > do and if any more new or archive material surfaces then harent we the > lucky ones. > > Life goes on. > > > kevin eden every so often you love to hold over our heads your 'insider' status. how ill-mannered of us to react to news you imply you've already known for some time. real class act. - -kristoph. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:24:46 -0000 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk's last gasp I repeat "I doubt one of you will understand a word of it. " ;) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart van Damme" To: Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk's last gasp > Kinky website Uri! ;-) > > Bart > > > > For what it's worth, in timeless tribute, I have named my company underwater > > experiences (see underwaterexperiences.com). Thanks to Craig for the > > website. This is not a sales plug as I doubt one of you will understand a > > word of it. ;) > > > > Uri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:02:13 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk's last gasp - --- Uri Baran wrote: I repeat "I doubt one of you will understand a word of it. " ;) >>Kinky website Uri! ;-) Bart<< If anyone would know that it'd be you Bart ('bout kinky websites) now where's Robert when you need him. Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:54:00 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert Rather smug comments there from the unofficial spokesman. This is a mailing list for fans of the Wire so what do you expect? Some slight over-reactions I agree (although hardly Michael Jackson-style blinkered fandom), but remember these are the same fans who have lined your pockets by buying your book, and the WMO discs. kevin eden wrote: > Slightly amused at some IC-ers comments about Bruce's departure. I am > not at liberty to say why or what the reasons were, but I am amused > with the comments of 'well they could do this, they could do that, > what if they release this or raid the archives for that' > > It's over guys, get over it, move on. They will do what THEY want to > do and if any more new or archive material surfaces then harent we > the lucky ones. > > Life goes on. > > > kevin eden > > http://www.wireviews.com/wmo/index.html > > "dreams that money can buy" --------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:39:03 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? In a message dated 2/24/05 4:29:03 PM, xerif@dsl.pipex.com writes: > But I doubt if its > the real end although I suspect that It will be many years before Wire4 turn > up. > In a message dated 2/24/05 4:05:41 PM, uri.b@virgin.net writes: > 1980-1985 = 5 years > 1991-1999 = 8 years > 2004 - ???? = X years > > Accepting the odd error above but if you follow the pattern. The sequence is > gap of five then gap of eight > so I reckon X = 11 and ???? = 2015. > > > well, we could look at it as a gap of 5 after 3, then a gap of 8 after 6. > so maybe after 4 years in it'll be only ...uh, somebody do the math. my brain > hurts. like 6 1/2, right? > > -paul c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #53 ******************************