From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #52 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, February 25 2005 Volume 08 : Number 052 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? [Ari ] FW: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert ["Tear Alistair (ST)" ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #51 [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Harmonia [Jan Noorda ] Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? [Rex Broome ] Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert/Mark said............ [Ari ] [idealcopy] O.T tripped out fun. [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 02:30:58 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? >> Whatever, Wire without Gilbert is inconceivable, surely....Cheers,ig.<< Disaster more like! although it is concievable Wire could become Wir pt.2,or Ire pt. 1-I'd rather not this time,it was bad enough when Robert left.c'mon guys,whatever ails you your friendships have to be too deep to call it quits.hey Bruce,if you've gone we'll miss you. Ari Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:00:23 -0000 From: "Tear Alistair (ST)" Subject: [idealcopy] Madredeus Mileta wrote... "btw, few days ago saw MADREDEUS and it was mind-blowing i think that Robin Guthrie can make complete Cocteaus album from just one of their songs. I am not familiar with belgian belgian show on DVD called Euforia." I was passing time in the library couple of days ago & I spotted a copy of Madredeus' 'Anthology' only because it was at the front of the pile of newly-returned stuff Well the name rang a little bell in my mind because of Mileta's post so I checked it out and am enjoying it a lot. (I like sad tunes..:-) ) I see that they are playing the RFH in May and am thinking of checking them out. Question for Mileta is, what was the line-up when you saw them. Did they have an accordionist? http://tinyurl.com/6bb34 thanks A ps Can't be true about Bruce...can it? ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:57:19 -0000 From: "Tear Alistair (ST)" Subject: FW: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert That's it for Wire then...tragic news A - -----Original Message----- From: kevin eden [mailto:wmouk@yahoo.com] Sent: 24 February 2005 12:34 To: Ideal Copy Subject: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert The news of Mr Gilbert's departure from the Wire fold is true. The status of the remaining three members continuing as Wire has not been announced. kevin eden http://www.wireviews.com/wmo/index.html "dreams that money can buy" - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:04:34 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 12:33:52PM +0000, kevin eden wrote: > The news of Mr Gilbert's departure from the Wire fold is true. Oh. Damn. Damn. Damn. I'm really kicking myself for not getting to a Wire club gig in this incarnation, now. - - Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 05:49:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Noorda Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert Today arrived the Scottish Play at my place. And while I am listening I was wondering it has a great sound. then the news appeared about Bruce's decision would like to send the Scottish Play back again and then start this day again with another outcoming result. j the news of Mr Gilbert's departure from the Wire fold is true. The status of the remaining three members continuing as Wire has not been announced. kevin eden http://www.wireviews.com/wmo/index.html "dreams that money can buy" - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:15:47 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #51 In a message dated 2/24/05 3:33:24 AM Central Standard Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: > > n.p Harmonia - 'Deluxe' (Re-issue for some...new CD for me) > the Harmonia cds have been re-issued ???? !!!! what label? i have the old cd bootlegs... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:08:18 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert > That's it for Wire then...tragic news Terrible news indeed!! But... if Bruce left last year, how come we didn't hear this untill now? Wonder why he left What a shame Bart > From the Stereo Society website (www.stereosociety.com): > > "Wire: Are now one member short after the departure of Bruce Gilbert > late last year. Whether the remaining three will continue as the > group is undecided. After the last releases as a four-piece, Read > Burn 01 (2002) and Send (2003), recording is also uncertain." > > If true, they've kept this quiet, unless it slipped through my radar > somehow. Does anyone know more? > > Whatever, Wire without Gilbert is inconceivable, surely.... > > Cheers, > > ig. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:41:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Noorda Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Harmonia Musik von Harmonia and Harmonia Deluxe are available on http://www.universal-music.de/html/index.html http://www.michaelrother.de/en/harm_disk.php j In a message dated 2/24/05 3:33:24 AM Central Standard Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: > > n.p Harmonia - 'Deluxe' (Re-issue for some...new CD for me) > the Harmonia cds have been re-issued ???? !!!! what label? i have the old cd bootlegs... RL Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:02:19 -0500 From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? In a message dated 2/24/2005 5:30:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ari writes: >>> Whatever, Wire without Gilbert is inconceivable, > surely....Cheers,ig.<< >Disaster more like! although it is concievable Wire >could become Wir pt.2,or Ire pt. 1 i think they might wanna call it wie well, this sucks. i'm sure the other 3 could do something interesting if they wanted to continue. guess we'll have to wait and see :o\ - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:17:11 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? > i think they might wanna call it wie Or... "Were". Damn, this is disappointing. And they were so... quiet about it. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:25:57 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert > > That's it for Wire then...tragic news > > Terrible news indeed!! Yep. It's what is commonly called a bugger. Can't say I'm that surprised though - the delay of a R&B3 together with the arrival of Githead has had me expecting something like this for a while. Shame they can't keep going on some sort of ad hoc basis if nothing else. K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:22:44 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 12:02:19PM -0500, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > > well, this sucks. i'm sure the other 3 could do something > interesting if they wanted to continue. guess we'll have to wait and > see :o\ What permutations of the four members of Wire *haven't* recorded something together? Off the top of my head, I can think of: Wire (Gilbert, Gotobed/Grey, Newman, Lewis) Wir (Gilbert, Newman, Lewis) Colin Newman (Newman, Gotobed; Newman, Gotobed, Lewis; Newman, Gilbert) Dome (Gilbert, Lewis) It looks like Wire minus Bruce Gilbert is one of the few combos that hasn't been tried yet. Trying to find something positive to say, - - Andrew - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 11pm Mondays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:20:53 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? So we're agreed then... it's a damn shame. Still, there have obviously been break-ups before eventually followed by recordings and gigs so perhaps this will happen again a few years down the line. Let's hope there hasn't been any major falling out and Bruce just has a few projects he wants to get stuck into without any other distractions. Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:14:36 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Edwyn Collins seriously ill Fucking hell. More bad news. http://www.nme.com/news/111515.htm [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Edwyn Collins seriously ill - NME.COM.url] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:00:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Noorda Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? Noticed that The Hafler Trio (Andrew MacKenzie) collaboration release with Bruce Gilbert will now be released on Korm Plastic (Frans de Waard ) instead of Phonometrography. http://www.brainwashed.com/h3o/pipeline.html http://www.kormplastics.nl/h3o.html And there is of-course gmb-H (with CarlMichael Hausswollff and Graham Lewis) and the KREV-support (on the IDEAL festival Nantes) j So we're agreed then... it's a damn shame. Still, there have obviously been break-ups before eventually followed by recordings and gigs so perhaps this will happen again a few years down the line. Let's hope there hasn't been any major falling out and Bruce just has a few projects he wants to get stuck into without any other distractions. Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:28:20 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? Can't say I'm surprised at a cessation of activity. The live set didn't change from 2002-04, an R&B03 was often rumoured, but never heard. The Send era was played out, and well documented (better so than the 2000 revival). From what I've heard it's a case of Bruce being "bored with rock" - which I guess happens periodically when you're Bruce. I guess this also conflicts with the concept of Wire as 4-piece-band-with-drummer. Certainly statements made during the past few years (to the extent that Wire has to be the four people - though not necessarily in the same room. Or country.) would make a non-rock Wire quite difficult to achieve if one of the members doesn't want to do it. Let's face it, we're dealing with a volatile chemistry here - artists, dahling! I thought there was a route forward though - it was there in the Dip-flash piece performed at the Barbican (no guitars, basically an enhanced live mix, with Colin on the pro tools rig, bruce on noise-kbd, rob on drum pads, Graham on kaoss pad-sampled vocals. Not a guitar or proper drum kit in sight - very much a post-rock 21st century artWire.... Plenty of stuff in the can to keep the ball rolling. I guess they'll be back when it feels right, as it did in 85 and 00. Wait till new bands start namechecking 80s Wire.... that fabled Manscape remake might become hugely relevant ;-) They never get the credit their influence merits though, do they. The Gang of Four got more publicity through one week of gigs than Wire did in four years. While the Go4 are deeply significant to new music right now, I'd argue Wire cast a longer shadow overall. The road ahead looks quite uncertain. As ever. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:19:42 -0000 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert 1980-1985 = 5 years 1991-1999 = 8 years 2004 - ???? = X years Accepting the odd error above but if you follow the pattern. The sequence is gap of five then gap of eight so I reckon X = 11 and ???? = 2015. Does that make Bruce 80? Good reunion opportunity. Damn shame about Bruce. So much unfulfilled potential this time...... U. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:55:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert/Mark said............ - --- kevin eden wrote: >>The news of Mr Gilbert's departure from the Wire fold is true. The status of the remaining three members continuing as Wire has not been announced. kevin eden<< Mark said Bruce left because he's bored of rock,is this true Kevin,or is there another reason? Ari Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:45:43 -0000 From: "John Hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? The first reaction is on gawd not again. Second is why not? There has been some recent discussion here about 'your favourite Wire period'. For myself the third reincarnation has been the least enjoyable and to an extent Wire put them back into a punk corner they had so divinely jumped out of with Pink Flag. I've found Githeads to be a bit more to my taste so maybe the break is enivatable. But I doubt if its the real end although I suspect that It will be many years before Wire4 turn up. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:36:22 -0000 From: Subject: [idealcopy] Wire on R2 AGAIN !!! Wire were on the "Crucial Three" competition spot in Mark Radcliffe's programme again last night; this time "Kidney Bingos". What's happening ? Has some producer there just discovered Wire or something ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:23:59 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T tripped out fun. http://tinyurl.com/3wp6y you'll need shockwave... (it'll take you there for a download if you don't have it) Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:49:27 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert In a message dated 2/24/2005 9:05:41 PM GMT Standard Time, uri.b@virgin.net writes: Does that make Bruce 80? Good reunion opportunity. 70 perhaps, but not 80 ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:37:20 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? Oh dear, back to the organic veg farm them. I'm amazed Wire Mk3 lasted as long as it did really, and this doesn't come as a huge surprise. Anyway, we've had a lot of fun haven't we? Lots of interesting things in the vaults. Wonder if they can dig up anything from the Mute era for a DVD?. Be good to hear some more of the stuff they did between RFH and R&B1 (remember that remix of Crazy About Love?). Did they start recording R&3? Some interesting solo stuff on the way too no doubt. Or maybe an IRE or a WRE? Of course still no official word on this on Wireviews or PE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:39:28 -0000 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert <<>>> I thought that had roughly been happening for the last 15 years or so. Reunion tour in 2010, anybody? AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:02:13 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Has Bruce left, then...? >Oh dear, back to the organic veg farm them. ///// well i am a bit disappointed , could have sworn the retirement age was 65 and bruce is well short of that..... > >I'm amazed Wire Mk3 lasted as long as it did really, and this doesn't >come as a huge surprise. ////// no , it was getting to look like this was happening. long time since anything "new" got unveiled. i guess the pure logistics of people living in different countries was maybe as much a part of this as any musical/pesonal differences? > >Anyway, we've had a lot of fun haven't we? ////// well mark 3 happening was a huge surprise at the time , and we've had 5 years of fun sonce then. gotta be a result > >Lots of interesting things in the vaults. Wonder if they can dig up >anything from the Mute era for a DVD?. Be good to hear some more of the >stuff they did between RFH and R&B1 (remember that remix of Crazy About >Love?). Did they start recording R&3? ///// well they might not have an 80's filmed show , but you could make an excellent package with a good quality live gig plus a DVD of all the mute promos padded out with interviews / cable tv clips / solo stuff. fit really nicely on the shelf between rockpalast and scottish play certain people seemed to be suggesting RnB3 was well on the way a long time ago. but maybe (like the albini sessions) the band just didn't like it? it will probably appear on the box set..... > >Some interesting solo stuff on the way too no doubt. Or maybe an IRE or > a WRE? /////i like the sound of IRE myself , a nice snotty name > > >Of course still no official word on this on Wireviews or PE ////// well , harking back to mark's comments on the GO4 , it makes a lot of difference publicity-wise when you have EMI behind you rather than PE. (touring also helps , dare i suggest). lot of similarities in the wire Y2K gigs and the recent gangshows in that old guys proved they really could do it , but of course the GO4 aren't trying new material and might well be wise not to. can't help thinking that this remix album will be an extremely damp squib. i was reading somewhere that the recent GO4 gigs had raised the bar for the new generation , i watched the NME awards ceremony last night and it was all a bit menswear to be honest. hopefully the spirit of bruce will live on somewhere.............p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #52 ******************************