From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #43 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, February 16 2005 Volume 08 : Number 043 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! ["Keith Knight" ] RE: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! [] Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! [M] Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! [] RE: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! [] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #42 [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #42 [Jan Noorda ] Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! [M] [idealcopy] OT: looking for a cd ["Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! From: Tim And the LCD > Soundsystem album is really enjoyable! Its got a Best-Before date on it for sure, but am enjoying those clanging cowbells for now. Has anyone heard this Bloc Party that the under-25s are going crazy about? Nice haicuts but not heard much of em yet. - ------------------------------- I can't speak of their albums but I've seen both LCD Soundsystem and The Bloc Party live in the last week as part of two separate NME nights - the mag may now be drivel but they can still deliver an interesting four band line-up for a reasonable price. LCD headlined at the Astoria last night. I was there! I only know 'Losing My Edge' but that was sufficient to entice me as it's one of the wittiest songs of the last few years (and, let's face it, one I have a certain affinity to in terms of conversation over the years). The live mix was such that any further verbal felicities were lost but they put on a banging set, keyboard driven but with guitars pounding the beat forward and James Murphy - an admirably chubby figure - shouting through treated mike. A really impressive performance and the peak of a fine night of dance-rock which also featured Soulwax (much heavier than I anticipated) and the tremendous Go! Team who delivered the promise of their fine debut with a set of boundless enthusiasm. With any justice they'll be all over the festivals this summer. A young band (although their bassist looks like he's beamed in from Spooky Tooth, they commendably used two drummers on some songs and swapped instruments with abandon in the modern style. Their singer is one of the most energetic people I've ever seen on stage, continuously exhorting the crowd to dance, and even picking on individuals who aren't moving. After music she is guaranteed a successful career as an aerobics instructor. Right at the bottom of the most dance-orientated bill I've been to since Tribal Gathering in the late 90s there was Juliette Lewis with her band The Licks. We arrived at 6.40 and she was already over halfway through her set in front of a house two thirds empty. What's more her band plays a very American sounding sub-Stooges boogie so the audience wasn't exactly the right one. As a result most of us just stood there lapping up the fact that - and this has to be admitted - a bona fide movie star was merely feet away and didn't appear to be wearing any underwear. Bloc Party were third on the bill at Brixton Academy last week where, unfortunately, I ended up upstairs for the first time in my life, which is a long way from the stage. The first band - Kaiser Chiefs - suffered for this. They seemed enthusiastic enough but didn't cross the Academy's great divide, none of their songs standing out. Bloc Party fared a great deal better. I'd heard a couple of tracks before which had had little effect, but live they were edgier than many of their British peers with a willingness to experiment with beats and song structures. After last month's incandescent show I'm reluctant to compare them to Go4 because they're really not in that league but let's just say that they can be mentioned in the same sentence - especially as I suspect they're destined to be better live than on record. The Furureheads were next up. Somehow I've managed to avoid hearing their album but what was on show tonight was fun without being in any way impressive - like a good version of The Jam. The best thing all night was their version of Hounds Of Love which, while being lese-majeste, has a yelping insistence all of its own despite the band's irritating Butlin Redcoats approach to audience involvement (why it works for The Go! Team but not The Futureheads is probably a matter of taste). The comparisons of this band to Wire in the early stages of their career are now utterly baffling. Headlining were The Killers who - let's face it - have two cracking pop songs and a bunch of filler. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:45:57 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 11:26:33AM -0000, Keith Knight wrote: > The comparisons of this band to Wire in the early stages of > their career are now utterly baffling. The Futureheads have always been a herky-jerky guitar pop band. There's a *lot* of early, "This Is Pop" XTC in their sound, but I don't hear much Wire. I like them a lot, as it happens. They're clever enough to do something really interesting next, I think; moments on their album ("Carnival Kids", "The City Is Here For You To Use", "First Day") are amongst the best indie rock I've heard in ages. The first 30 seconds of the Bloc Party - which I just got and stuck on - - album are the most blatant Joy Division lift in bloody ages; lots of needle-thin guitars shifting in and out of phase in stereo. I'm not expecting miracles, but not every band needs to redefine the terms of engagement. (I don't want to tempt fate here, but who's going to be first to call them the English Interpol?) Looking forward to the Broken Family Band record next week (though I think most of this list would rather pull out their own teeth than listen to that.) - - Andrew - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 11pm Mondays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:12:16 -0600 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: LCD SS Keith Astbury wrote: > And the LCD Soundsystem album is really enjoyable! To which Tim rejoined: > Its got a Best-Before date on it for sure, but am enjoying those > clanging cowbells for now. I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:23:32 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! This reminds me that the comparison with Interpol did flit through my head when watching them last week - something about how the sound builds up and the interplay with the vocals. Which suggests that Interpol have sloughed off their inheritance to create a sound that may be called their own. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw The first 30 seconds of the Bloc Party - which I just got and stuck on - - album are the most blatant Joy Division lift in bloody ages; lots of needle-thin guitars shifting in and out of phase in stereo. I'm not expecting miracles, but not every band needs to redefine the terms of engagement. (I don't want to tempt fate here, but who's going to be first to call them the English Interpol?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:23:44 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! >>The Futureheads have always been a herky-jerky guitar pop band. There's a *lot* of early, "This Is Pop" XTC in their sound, but I don't hear much Wire.<< I saw the Futureheads about 18 months ago, supporting Radio 4 (whose career seems to have completely stalled, despite making an album that sounds like 1985 New Order rather than 1979 Joy Division, which has probably backfired. Pop can only eat itself at one speed, or so it seems... Seeing R4 on Thursday @ ULU in fact). The Futureheads appeared to have one influence, and one influence alone - XTC, 1st couple of albums, but played by the band on the third album. >>I like them a lot, as it happens. They're clever enough to do something really interesting next, I think; moments on their album ("Carnival Kids", "The City Is Here For You To Use", "First Day") are amongst the best indie rock I've heard in ages.<< Agree that some of the material is very strong. The album is one-dimensional though, and the fast-paced quirkiness is unrelenting. Very good singles band though - add AtoB and Decent Days & Nights to your list of good moments. >>The first 30 seconds of the Bloc Party - which I just got and stuck on - - album are the most blatant Joy Division lift in bloody ages; lots of needle-thin guitars shifting in and out of phase in stereo. I'm not expecting miracles, but not every band needs to redefine the terms of engagement.<< From what I've heard (three or four videos) they seem very unspectacular indiepop. Most recent one brought to mind the Lotus Eaters. Certainly don't warrant the Joy Division comparisons in any way whatsoever as far as I can see. >>(I don't want to tempt fate here, but who's going to be first to call them the English Interpol?)<< Waaaay off the mark. Interpol have a density of sound that Bloc Party don't seem capable of grasping (though I've not seen them live). Also BP feel like trend-hoppers; a London Franz. Interpol were ploughing a lonely post-punk furrow as long ago as 1999, based, it would seem, on the darker end of hardcore. As for an 'English Interpol', surely British Sea Power? Though having said that, the two bands are likely to follow divergent paths as Interpol become more direct and BSP (more content-heavy than just about any other current band) become, if anything, more folky... >>Looking forward to the Broken Family Band record next week (though I think most of this list would rather pull out their own teeth than listen to that.)<< Sounds like the best recommendation I've heard this week! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:37:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Noorda Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! And they are planned on the same date, the 4th of April, in the Paradiso Amsterdam as Einstuerzende Neubauten visiting the same venue with their 25th Anniversary Tour. EN big stage downstairs and Wedding Present small venue upstairs. j Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:38:47 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! Two stand-out albums of the year so far for me. The Arcade Fire's 'Funeral' isn't out in the UK until the end of Feb but I got hold of a copy through the net at Christmas. It's one of those albums that is immediately fascinating but takes a number of listens to get to know. Centred around a husband and wife team from Canada (there's some French vocals in the mix) they conjure up strange wordscapes, like album opener 'Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels)' - I think this title suggests something of where they're coming from - which imagines a neighbourhood covered in snow and the singer meeting his friend / lover by digging a tunnel from one window to another. There's a great section when the singer, Win Butler, comes over very David Byrne-angsty, his voice increasing in concern: "But sometimes we remember bedrooms / and our parents' bedroom / and the bedrooms of our friends / then we think of our parents / whatever happened to them?". Each song sounds different, occupying a space somewhere between Talking Heads, BSP and - for sheer eccentricity if not sound - The Fiery Furnaces, this is already one of the albums of the year for me. I also really Like Tunng's 'Mother's Daughter and other songs'. This will be of less likely appeal to the average idealcopyist as it is electro-folk, albeit self-penned rather than traditional. Two blokes, who sound like they've spent their adolescence listening to Vashti Bunyan and Pentangle, singing lovely harmonies while electronica burbles away in the background. The effect is not unlike a male version of CocoRosie who held me spellbound at the end of last year. There's a feel of early Beta Band in there too. More and more I find my home listening gravitating towards the quiet and challenging and Tunng are certainly hitting the spot on that regard. I've also borrowed a copy of FrankblackFrancis out of the library and I'm firmly in the camp which finds the remixes by the Two Pale Boys intoxicating. 'Monkey's Gone to Heaven' redelivers me a song that I love but had grown overfamiliar with and the 17 minute Planet of Sound is just that. Still plumbing the Low album. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: 13 February 2005 18:11 To: Scott Kellock; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! > New Wedding Present album is album of the year so far closely followed by > The Others. Mine would be Other People by Angels of Light. I wasn't a huge Swans fan - I found them kind of 'interesting' - though admittedly it's been a long time since I've heard them, and I can't recall ever hearing any of Michael Gira's post-Swans stuff before, but this is superb. Acoustic in a heavy kind of way. Dadrock it's not! The Low album is shaping up rather nicely, whilst the Mercury Rev LP sounded ok on it's one play (though my girlfriend made a point of asking who it was by as she said it was so sickly that it made her feel sick!). And the LCD Soundsystem album is really enjoyable! I know it's not from this year, but one album I'm enjoying a lot is last years s/t album by The Cure. Although I've heard some of their more recent stuff, this is the first Cure album I've bought since Disintregration. And I 'm impressed. Bob's on very good form here. And only a fiver from WH Smiths, too!! K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:22:37 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #42 In a message dated 2/15/05 4:08:29 AM Central Standard Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: > And the LCD > > Soundsystem album is really enjoyable! > personally, i think LCD Soundsystem are complete crap...and the fact that they were the cover story in the last WIRE magazine further enforces my growing opinion that WIRE magazine are swiftly becoming CRAP.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:37:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Noorda Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #42 Sorry Robert I dont understand first you say LCD soundsystem are OK then you say you dont like the Wire because they say LCD Soundsystem are OK what do you want and what do you like j > And the LCD > > Soundsystem album is really enjoyable! > personally, i think LCD Soundsystem are complete crap...and the fact that they were the cover story in the last WIRE magazine further enforces my growing opinion that WIRE magazine are swiftly becoming CRAP.... RL Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:29:23 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #42 In a message dated 2/15/05 10:38:09 AM Central Standard Time, janjnoorda@yahoo.com writes: > Sorry Robert I dont understand > > first you say LCD soundsystem are OK > > then you say you dont like the Wire because they say LCD Soundsystem are OK > > what do you want and what do you like > > j no Jan, you misunderstood....i was quoting someone else...THEY liked the LCD Soundsystem....i think it is crap...and WIRE magazine is becoming crap very quickly....they only seem to ride the jock of whatever band/label advertises the most in their mag.... not cool RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:57:18 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! > For me, though, all of these pale into insignificance next to Hood's > "Outside Closer", which is such a rich and beautiful record, somehow > full of detail and yet gloriously spacious at the same time. They're > extraordinary - balanced precariously between so many different > things, threatening to fall off their perch at any moment - and > they're capable of restoring faith in things that lesser bands seemed > to have tarnished forever. Buy it, then buy it again for all your > friends.... Will have to get this. Heard a track on a free CD and it boded well. Last thing I got by these guys was Home Is Where It Hurts which I love - think I may have missed one since? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:10:23 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! > The Futureheads appeared to have one influence, and one influence alone - > XTC, 1st couple of albums, but played by the band on the third album. Yes, perfect description!! > >>I like them a lot, as it happens. They're clever enough to do > something really interesting next, I think; moments on their album > ("Carnival Kids", "The City Is Here For You To Use", "First Day") are > amongst the best indie rock I've heard in ages.<< > > Agree that some of the material is very strong. The album is one-dimensional > though, and the fast-paced quirkiness is unrelenting. Very good singles band > though - add AtoB and Decent Days & Nights to your list of good moments. I'd agree with the one-D description, though it's an enjoyable enough album. I enjoyed them live too - they certainly didn't indulge in any Red Coat like audience reaching, though the fact that there was hardly anyone there (and a large percentage of the audience were the supprt act Mower, who are hardly in the Polyphonic Spree stakes when it comes to band memebership. They're a trio!) > >>The first 30 seconds of the Bloc Party - which I just got and stuck on > - album are the most blatant Joy Division lift in bloody ages; lots of > needle-thin guitars shifting in and out of phase in stereo. I'm not > expecting miracles, but not every band needs to redefine the terms of > engagement.<< I like the new single - bought it to see what all th fuss was about and wasn't overly impressed on early listens, but it's a grower. I like the almost Wild Swans-like guitar style. Keith np Brian Wilson - smile ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:03:16 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 6Music Andy: > Could be a new thread, for a certain age group on this list, first gig you > took your offspring to? Still not sure if this counts, but my daughter, at about 5 months, got to see and and mostly sleep through my dad and I playing at a bluegrass festival. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:05:05 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! >>I like the new single - bought it to see what all th fuss was about and wasn't overly impressed on early listens, but it's a grower. I like the almost Wild Swans-like guitar style.<< You're being kinder than I was - I said Lotus Eaters (of course, the guitarist is the same!) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:24:04 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: looking for a cd Would anyone here happen to have a copy of Meat Beat Manifesto's Subliminal Sandwich they'd be willing to part with? I'm bound to have something of interest to someone: =20 Ta! =20 Jack Alberson | Property Administrator CB Richard Ellis=20 100 Peabody Place, Suite 1200=20 Memphis, Tennessee 38103 T 901 526 9729| F 901 526 9892 jack.alberson@cbre.com =81 www.cbre.com =20 =20 =20 [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:39:19 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?!! ----- >>I like the new single - bought it to see what all th fuss was about and wasn't overly impressed on early listens, but it's a grower. I like the almost Wild Swans-like guitar style.<< You're being kinder than I was - I said Lotus Eaters (of course, the guitarist is the same!) Mark Those few days that separate us and make me a Libran rather than a Scorpion make all the difference you know ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:35:15 GMT From: "P J Kane" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?! ! << For me, though, all of these pale into insignificance next to Hood's "Outside Closer", which is such a rich and beautiful record, somehow full of detail and yet gloriously spacious at the same time. >> so far i have only been able to pick up the pre-album split single (with Themselves), which was not a bad little record; and the pre-album EP, whose title i forget but which failed to impress on first listen.... how does this compare to the other recent Hood stuff? << Will have to get this. Heard a track on a free CD and it boded well. Last thing I got by these guys was Home Is Where It Hurts which I love - think I may have missed one since? >> Cold House was their last album, and a darned fine one it was too. read about it on EvilSponge: http://www.evilsponge.org/albums/Hood__ColdHouse.htm PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:48:39 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wedding Present New Album / years best of...ALREADY?! ! On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 06:35:15PM +0000, P J Kane wrote: > so far i have only been able to pick up the pre-album split single > (with Themselves), which was not a bad little record; and the > pre-album EP, whose title i forget but which failed to impress on > first listen.... "The Lost You", which samples Robert Wyatt. I thought it was fabulous. - - A - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 11pm Mondays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #43 ******************************