From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #11 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, January 13 2005 Volume 08 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [ot] *sigh* [Bart van Damme ] RE: [idealcopy] OT: Pixies ["Keith Knight" ] FW: [idealcopy] OT: Pixies ["Tear Alistair (ST)" ] [idealcopy] OT: Elvis Kills the Top 40 [Tim ] [idealcopy] God Save The Queen..... [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Elvis Kills the Top 40 [Monochromatic Man Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] *sigh* > I lose a lot of respect for those who think they can touch up the Mona Lisa. Unless your name is Marcel Duchamp that is... L.H.O.O.Q. Bart http://www.studiolo.org/Mona/MONA11.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:54:25 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Pixies That used to be my stance, Alistair, until he bought Harper Collins publishers at which point I effectively gave up as I couldn't bring myself not to buy a book from a particular publisher (quite apart from the sheer volumes of books that Harper Collins publish, making it a hell of a challenge). I still do a bit of anti-Murdoch activity - would never buy the News of the World or The Sun and have very rarely bought The Times or The Sunday Times. But I gave in on the TV stance some time ago (albeit through cable rather than satellite) and now even have Sky Sports. And as a cricket lover, if I hadn't taken the shilling already I would probably be caving in in 2006 when all test cricket goes extra-terrestrial. Not proud of it but the bastard beat me. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tear Alistair (ST) Sent: 12 January 2005 08:55 To: Wire (E-mail) Subject: FW: [idealcopy] OT: Pixies That's ok Mark Pixies I can do without never *got* them, still don't... and as for Sky, I would never give that bastard Murdoch my money... A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:50:22 -0000 From: "Tear Alistair (ST)" Subject: FW: [idealcopy] OT: Pixies AT Keith wrote.. That used to be my stance, Alistair, until he bought Harper Collins publishers at which point I effectively gave up as I couldn't bring myself not to buy a book from a particular publisher (quite apart from the sheer volumes of books that Harper Collins publish, making it a hell of a challenge). /// the fascist octopus has many tentacles I still do a bit of anti-Murdoch activity - would never buy the News of the World or The Sun and have very rarely bought The Times or The Sunday Times. But I gave in on the TV stance some time ago (albeit through cable rather than satellite) and now even have Sky Sports. /// Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein News Channel And as a cricket lover, if I hadn't taken the shilling already I would probably be caving in in 2006 when all test cricket goes extra-terrestrial. Not proud of it but the bastard beat me. /// That is entirely due to the venality of the English cricket board A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:55:00 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Pixies >That used to be my stance, Alistair, until he bought Harper Collins >publishers at which point I effectively gave up as I couldn't bring >myself not to buy a book from a particular publisher (quite apart from >the sheer volumes of books that Harper Collins publish, making it a hell >of a challenge). ///// now this had me scrtching my head keith as i first read this as saying frank black had gone into the literary world. (unlikeliest future publication "kim deal ; my memoirs"). suspect if he'd been relying on royalties from the ol' solo albums then he wouldn't have been buying much at all , but now the pension fund is thoroughly topped up then i guess maybe he might change direction and tackle the publishing market. from recent "uncut" interviews there seems to be 3 subjects that FB is extremely touchy about and authors in these fields may be advised to tread with care if punting new product ; 1. male pattern baldness / hairpieces / too many references to "flowing locks" 2. references to weight gain / diet sheets / workout videos / elasticated wiastbands etc 3. female bass players you may or may not have had a relationship with , that may or may not be responsible for a band splitting up , who aren't allowed to sit in on interviews these days due to past "indiscretions" other than that i think you're ok ;-) > >I still do a bit of anti-Murdoch activity - would never buy the News of >the World or The Sun and have very rarely bought The Times or The Sunday >Times. /////not a lot of hardship involved in avoiding that lot. also in avoiding the ST you can save several trees But I gave in on the TV stance some time ago (albeit through >cable rather than satellite) and now even have Sky Sports. And as a >cricket lover, if I hadn't taken the shilling already I would probably >be caving in in 2006 when all test cricket goes extra-terrestrial. > >Not proud of it but the bastard beat me. /////such is the joy of a monopoly. the EC will tackle him one day i suspect even if tone wouldn't dare to..... p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:16:57 -0000 From: "Tear Alistair (ST)" Subject: [idealcopy] pixies Again AT Keith... That used to be my stance, Alistair, until he bought Harper Collins publishers at which point I effectively gave up as I couldn't bring myself not to buy a book from a particular publisher (quite apart from the sheer volumes of books that Harper Collins publish, making it a hell of a challenge). SO, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF PUBLISHING ? Fewer publishing houses concentrated in conglomerate hands, trying to produce more books of less quality. No full time readers, no full time copy editors and therefore missed newcomers and pisspoor final presentation of texts on the shelves, silly covers, greedy and simple-minded bookshop chains, lunatic bidding wars designed to crush the spirit of unknown newcomers, celebrity "tighten your buns and nurture your inner pot plant" hard backs and much related insanity. Go somewhere else if you can, there is nothing like watching people who care about books being destroyed by publishing to put a blight on your afternoon. A L Kennedy ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:39:09 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Pixies /////such is the joy of a monopoly. the EC will tackle him one day i suspect even if tone wouldn't dare to..... Ah, but it isn't a monopoly. Murdoch would have to own all the cable companies, plus most of the national and private brodcasters to be considered a monopolist. In the European free market, you have the option of buying a great big satellite receiver and tuning in to French or German telly if you like. Obvious drawbacks, for sure, but you don't need Rupert to get 'television services'. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:15:04 -0600 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: FW: [idealcopy] [ot] *sigh* I disagree - The Scientists "Weird Love" album in which they rerecorded tracks for the US market was a great record. sg http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: RE: FW: [idealcopy] [ot] *sigh* > > The seminal post-punkers will release a double album this spring, half > > of it will be re-recordings of tracks from their early albums, > > NO! NO! NO! Don't do it!! > > There has never been a good album like this. > > I lose a lot of respect for those who think they can touch up the Mona Lisa. > > --BillE > __..--=-=*|/'..'\|*=-=---..__ > home.comcast.net/~near_0/ > > > > Go4 news out today. Looks like Andrew was spot on with who will be down > > the front at the gig! > > > > Another the Keith > > ------------------- > > The Gang Of Four reunion WILL produce some new material, but not the > > brand new songs fans crave. > > > > The seminal post-punkers will release a double album this spring, half > > of it will be re-recordings of tracks from their early albums, half > > remixes by bands they've influenced. > > > > Andy Gill exclusively revealed to 6 Music some of the bands taking part: > > > > "It wouldn't be fair to start throwing names around unless they'd > > actually committed to doing it. > > > > "At this point there's Bloc Party are doing one, Franz Ferdinand, > > Futureheads are having a go at a track, Hot Hot Heat, Massive Attack and > > we're gonna be talking to Chilli Peppers and REM." > > "I think we're doing it even more simply than we did at the time > > -there's literally no overdubs" > > As for the other half of the album, Andy explained what we can expect: > > > > "It's a new album of previously recorded stuff...a bunch of tracks > > predominantly from the first three albums really... the songs were > > fantastic, but I think there were some holes in the sound of it. > > > > "I mean, actually, I think we're doing it even more simply than we did > > at the time -there's literally no overdubs." > > > > The band are on tour this month, for the first time since 1981. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > > Behalf Of Andrew Walkingshaw > > > > > > > suspect they'll be in the crowd at the forthcoming GO4 gig ;-) p > > > > I think they owed much more to the Pixies, to be honest; the > > Futureheads, > > Franz Ferdinand, and especially Bloc Party will be down the front, > > though. > > > > - A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:48:55 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Pixies LOL! - excellent stuff, Paul. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com [mailto:PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Pixies >That used to be my stance, Alistair, until he bought Harper Collins >publishers at which point I effectively gave up as I couldn't bring >myself not to buy a book from a particular publisher (quite apart from >the sheer volumes of books that Harper Collins publish, making it a hell >of a challenge). ///// now this had me scrtching my head keith as i first read this as saying frank black had gone into the literary world. (unlikeliest future publication "kim deal ; my memoirs"). suspect if he'd been relying on royalties from the ol' solo albums then he wouldn't have been buying much at all , but now the pension fund is thoroughly topped up then i guess maybe he might change direction and tackle the publishing market. from recent "uncut" interviews there seems to be 3 subjects that FB is extremely touchy about and authors in these fields may be advised to tread with care if punting new product ; 1. male pattern baldness / hairpieces / too many references to "flowing locks" 2. references to weight gain / diet sheets / workout videos / elasticated wiastbands etc 3. female bass players you may or may not have had a relationship with , that may or may not be responsible for a band splitting up , who aren't allowed to sit in on interviews these days due to past "indiscretions" other than that i think you're ok ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:51:51 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Elvis Kills the Top 40 Jailhouse Rock by Elvis is the UK No.1 Single Why? cos they did a fancy limited vinyl version and it only takes a few thousand boring collectors to make a No.1 single these days...especially the first week after Xmas when only the lunatic fringe are out buying singles. How many people who bought Jailhouse Rock will actually listen to it? A fitting point to finally ditch old Top 40 singles chart isn't it? Lets put it out of its misery. Not convinced? Read on... Iron Maiden fans have also rushed out to buy a re-issue of 'The Number of The Beast' to make it number 3. Erasure are at Number 4! Urban Cookie Collective are at number 31 with 'I've got the Secret 2005' (I am not making this up!...I wish I was!) Pop is not dead. It is alive and well, and shitloads of CD Albums were sold over Xmas...enough to prompt Napster and co to panic and reduce their prices for downloads. Kids and adults love lists, they love pop songs and they love top 10s more than ever. They just don't want to spend 3.99 for a shitty cd in a tacky horrible jewell case...with two songs on it that they can't even rip onto their Ipod because its copy protected. Time for a combined Download/sales chart...whether this creates a more vibrant music scene remains to be seen...or will Maroon 5 be No.1 for 52 weeks..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:04:10 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] God Save The Queen..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/uk/4170083.stm Ah he's not the first misguided teenager to flirt with Nazi imagery, and its not like he's actually related to any of the royal family anyway.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:56:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Elvis Kills the Top 40 At least he's not #1 over here... I don't even know what is. I agree with the sales/download idea. It might be a little more accurate than the US chart where radio play determines chart position. You don't even need a single to have a number one song. Pitiful! Some of these songs hang around the US singles chart for a year cause radio doesn't change their playlist. Thanks Clear Channel! How can a song be #1 for sixteen weeks? I get sick of them after a few days. wnd3 --- Tim wrote: > Jailhouse Rock by Elvis is the UK No.1 Single > Why? cos they did a fancy limited vinyl version and > it only takes a few > thousand boring collectors to make a No.1 single > these days...especially > the first week after Xmas when only the lunatic > fringe are out buying > singles. How many people who bought Jailhouse Rock > will actually > listen to it? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #11 ******************************