From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #7 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, January 9 2005 Volume 08 : Number 007 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] rammstein [Ari ] RE: [idealcopy] rammstein ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] rammstein [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] rammstein [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: [screaming-secrets-list]: Citizen Cain'd arrives.... ["Uri Baran" ] Re: [idealcopy] rammstein [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] Re:rammstein (my 2p) [Monochromatic Man ] [idealcopy] Tsunami pictures........... [Ari ] [idealcopy] Miles,get rid of this............. ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" <] [none] [waveangst@fastmail.fm] [idealcopy] waveangst [Miles Goosens ] [idealcopy] Fwd: what the? [Miles Goosens ] Re: [idealcopy] Miles,get rid of this.............Pt.1.5 [Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rammstein - --- waveangst@fastmail.fm wrote: >> rammstein aren't "metal" per se, They are a mix of hard rock,electronic and crunchy rifs. They're a great band to boot with controversial lyrics and songs. Better to be questionable than pc lefty queers. << And WHAT,may I ask,is wrong with being a p.c lefty? the fact that there are no p.c 'righty's' makes me wonder where you're coming from........... as for p.c lefty 'queers',are you saying that's a bad thing? I have several 'gay' friends and though I'm not gay,I prefer their company to any right-wing M.F any day of the week.Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:05:03 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] rammstein Couldn't have put it better myself. Bruno >>I have several 'gay' friends and though I'm not gay,I prefer their company to any right-wing M.F any day of the week.Ari<< ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:41:01 -0800 From: waveangst@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't be affraid to show your hate >"Ari" said: >And WHAT,may I ask,is wrong with being a p.c lefty? Where do I start? To begin with, most are blind to the truth and believe everything they hear on pirate radio. Let me say i'm specifically speaking about the frisco area. >the fact that there are no p.c 'righty's' makes me wonder where you're coming from.......... Do you get fox news in england, pompous ass? >as for p.c lefty 'queers',are you saying that's a bad thing? I'm certainly saying it's good to go against the grain or gay trend. >I have several 'gay' friends and though I'm not gay hmm >I prefer their company to any right-wing M.F any day of the week.Ari I hate the right wing too. While we're at it I despise negros, jews, christians, mtv, fox news, etc. etc. just as deeply. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:52:11 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't be affraid to show your hate On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:41:01AM -0800, waveangst@fastmail.fm wrote: Point 1: Ari is in North Carolina, not England. Hope this helps, though with the rest of your attitude I doubt anything else will. > I hate the right wing too. While we're at it I despise negros, jews, > christians, mtv, fox news, etc. etc. just as deeply. That's nice. So, it's a more generalized form of misanthropy - an effusive torrent of bigoted and racist abuse - rather than demonisation of one *specific* group. (If you hate both the left and right wings, incidentally, then given that you're certainly no centrist liberal, you must hate yourself; which admittedly fits the proffered evidence very nicely as an explanation.) Miles, I know this probably goes without saying, but will you be punting this waste of otherwise perfectly good oxygen off the list? - - Andrew - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 05:43:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: wanker:Miles,get rid of this fucker............. - --- waveangst@fastmail.fm wrote: > Subject: wanker > To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com > Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:42:33 -0800 > From: waveangst@fastmail.fm > > > On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:41:01 -0800, > waveangst@fastmail.fm said: > > >"Ari" > > said: > > >And WHAT,may I ask,is wrong with being a p.c > lefty? > > > > Where do I start? To begin with, most are blind to > the truth and believe > > everything they hear on pirate radio. Let me say > i'm specifically > > speaking about the frisco area. > > > > >the fact that there are no p.c 'righty's' makes > me wonder where you're coming from.......... > > > > Do you get fox news in england, pompous ass? > > > > >as for p.c lefty 'queers',are you saying that's a > bad thing? > > > > I'm certainly saying it's good to go against the > grain or gay trend. > > > > >I have several 'gay' friends and though I'm not > gay > > > > hmm > > > > >I prefer their company to any right-wing M.F any > day of the week.Ari > > > > I hate the right wing too. While we're at it I > despise negros, jews, > > christians, mtv, fox news, etc. etc. just as > deeply. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 06:02:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Dan, Just want to thank the list for the response to my email to get in touch with Dan: I can only hope he's o.k,I've 'phoned him a few times but no-one picked up,I did leave a message and told him we are all rootin' for him. also want to thank the several lurkers on this list that came out of the woodwork to ask for his address,I am asking them to 'show their faces' to the list as you're obviousley the sort of people we need input from .wishing you al the best. Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:37:08 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rammstein >>Better to be questionable than pc lefty queers. << Pardon? Either you're being ironic - in which case you're not being very funny - or you're on the wrong list. Please clarify this statement. Or if you really mean it, please fuck off. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:58:44 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rammstein er , are the rammstein massive still in da house? this is a remarkably poor thread btw....... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 00:26:26 -0000 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: [screaming-secrets-list]: Citizen Cain'd arrives.... Hi Keith, I just had a chuckle with Keith A. who sent me a picture of Julian performing in a small dark club still wearing sunglasses of course. I didn't know he's written the song and am not very familiar with his post teardrops work although I had seen a tv progamme he did on neolithic monuments. Having decided with some mates to walk the whole of hadrians wall this spring, we're training and hence the meet with Julian. We didn't have any trouble finding it and we walked also from the ridgeway. It's a fascinating monument, absolutely ancient with very little known about it except that Wayland was a norse god (a smithy apparently although you'd have thought a god wouldn't need a trade) and that being norse, he came several thousand years after the monument so the name is absolutely irrelevant. There's a better longbarrow (as they're properly called) near Avesbury called the Kennet longbarrow, it's 5500 years old and one can go in. Amazing stuff out there in the countryside.... U. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Knight" To: "'Uri Baran'" ; "'Keith Astbury'" ; Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:05 AM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fw: [screaming-secrets-list]: Citizen Cain'd arrives.... > > Wow! Good one Uri. He of course once wrote a song called Wayland > Smithy has Wings which I heard him play at the request of an audience > member at the QEH a few years back. > > I once tried to find Wayland Smithy, driving back that way on my own one > evening. I hiked off along the Ridgeway following the signs but went a > long way before turning back as it was getting dark. I assume that the > signs had been taken down for some reason - I certainly saw nothing that > might have been it, at least on the path. > > Another the Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Uri Baran > Sent: 07 January 2005 16:58 > To: Keith Astbury; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: [screaming-secrets-list]: Citizen Cain'd > arrives.... > > I met Julian a few weeks ago at a very old burial site called the > Wayland > Smithy. He's an expert on all this stuff > now, writes books on it. Nice fellow but he's still > a popstar as he was wearing sunglasses and it was overcast and rainy. > > U. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:55:31 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rammstein er , are the rammstein massive still in da house? this is a remarkably poor thread btw....... I suspect not for long. Hopefully Miles will have terminated Mr Waveangst's presence here with extreme prejudice (appropriately, given his pleasant views). What a ringing endorsement for Rammstein, having a fan like that. Rammstein are members of that elite genre of crap bands named after airfields, along with Idlewild and, er... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:45:14 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rammstein On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 01:55:31PM -0500, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Rammstein are members of that elite genre of crap bands named after > airfields, along with Idlewild and, er... Idlewild are actually named after "Anne of Green Gables", for what little it's worth (and I quite like them; weakness of mine, admittedly.) - - A - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 10pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:56:43 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rammstein Idlewild are actually named after "Anne of Green Gables", for what little it's worth (and I quite like them; weakness of mine, admittedly.) Idlewild was the name of New York's airport before it was renamed after JFK. Always figured that was where it came from. Anne of green gables is for girls ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:04:10 -0600 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rammstein Some idiot wrote: > rammstein aren't "metal" per se, They are a mix of hard rock, > electronic and crunchy rifs. > They're a great band to boot with controversial lyrics and songs. Better > to be questionable than pc lefty queers. I love Rammstein. There, I said it. I love Rammstein. Big, stompy, bombastic, scary Rammstein. I've seen them twice, and I'd see them again. I think their latest,"Reise Reise", is a great return to form after the disappointmen that was "Mutter". Their lyrics are more psychological than political, and generally go something like this: "I am one fucked-up human being. This manifests itself in various ugly beliefs and behaviors. It's not much fun." That said, it pisses me off to have another Rammstein fan come into this generally very civil list and take a dump like that. It can only serve to confirm any prejudices people might have against Rammstein and their moronic fans, including me. Thanks a lot. Steve, PC Lefty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:15:31 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rammstein On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 02:04:10PM -0600, Steve Loubert wrote: > That said, it pisses me off to have another Rammstein fan come into this > generally very civil list and take a dump like that. It can only serve to > confirm any prejudices people might have against Rammstein and their moronic > fans, including me. Rammstein also get their share of stick for being German, which seems to immediately get people to think that you have dubious politics. My understanding was the song "Links 2 3 4" was a response to that (the translation of the lyrics is something like: "they tried to pin me on the right but my heart, my heart beats on the left left, left, left-2-3-4" so somewhat taking the mick out of the people accusing them of fascism. They're a theatrical metal band. Basically, they're the industrial-rock Iron Maiden. *LOTS* of pyrotechnics, lots of leather, staggeringly camp. - - Andrew - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 10pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:26:19 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rammstein > Idlewild was the name of New York's airport before it was renamed after JFK. I once had an excited phone call from a friend, who had just read that they used brick from the North Wales town I live in, to build the JFK airport. How much truth there is in this I don't know, but googling JFK Airport and Buckley, reveals there is a Buckley Road nearby in Syracuse, New York so who knows!! As for the Ramstein fan... Quite apart from all that racist nonsense, I thought it was ironic that he couldn't spell 'riff' correctly ; ) Keith PS Yes. I've spelt their name wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:30:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] Re:rammstein (my 2p) Andrew wrote: > They're a theatrical metal band. Basically, they're > the industrial-rock > Iron Maiden. *LOTS* of pyrotechnics, lots of > leather, staggeringly camp. This probably explains why Pet Shop Boys remixed 'Mein Teil' last year. wnd3 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Tsunami pictures........... http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:19:28 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Miles,get rid of this............. But then, Ari and Andrew (for starters, I should imagine) aren't we back to the censorship debate? I seem to remember that we (generally) agreed that unless someone was advocating violence against well, anyone really, they should be free to say what they liked. If everyone on this list ignores this Mr Waveangst he'll get bored and unsubscribe eventually (I hope). An actual Pompous English Ass. Mind you, as in many countries, regional identities are always more cherished than national ones) So, that makes me a Pompous Cornish/Wiltshire-brought-up-in-Wales Ass PS Still, if Mr Waveangst's messages continue in the same tone and content I couldn't blame Miles for getting fed up and booting him off. Trouble is, I should imagine that would feed this guy's bizarre beliefs... - -----Original Message----- From: Ari [mailto:threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com] Sent: 08 January 2005 13:44 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: wanker:Miles,get rid of this fucker............. - --- waveangst@fastmail.fm wrote: > Subject: wanker > To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com > Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:42:33 -0800 > From: waveangst@fastmail.fm > > > On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:41:01 -0800, > waveangst@fastmail.fm said: > > >"Ari" > > said: > > >And WHAT,may I ask,is wrong with being a p.c > lefty? > > > > Where do I start? To begin with, most are blind to > the truth and believe > > everything they hear on pirate radio. Let me say > i'm specifically > > speaking about the frisco area. > > > > >the fact that there are no p.c 'righty's' makes > me wonder where you're coming from.......... > > > > Do you get fox news in england, pompous ass? > > > > >as for p.c lefty 'queers',are you saying that's a > bad thing? > > > > I'm certainly saying it's good to go against the > grain or gay trend. > > > > >I have several 'gay' friends and though I'm not > gay > > > > hmm > > > > >I prefer their company to any right-wing M.F any > day of the week.Ari > > > > I hate the right wing too. While we're at it I > despise negros, jews, > > christians, mtv, fox news, etc. etc. just as > deeply. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:37:54 -0800 From: waveangst@fastmail.fm Subject: [none] Sub simian, plebeian, inane and base shit stain. Eat the dick, faggot On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:04:10 -0600, "Steve Loubert" said: > Some idiot wrote: > > rammstein aren't "metal" per se, They are a mix of hard rock, > > electronic and crunchy rifs. > > They're a great band to boot with controversial lyrics and songs. Better > > to be questionable than pc lefty queers. > > I love Rammstein. There, I said it. I love Rammstein. Big, stompy, > bombastic, scary Rammstein. I've seen them twice, and I'd see them > again. > I think their latest,"Reise Reise", is a great return to form after the > disappointmen that was "Mutter". Their lyrics are more psychological > than > political, and generally go something like this: "I am one fucked-up > human > being. This manifests itself in various ugly beliefs and behaviors. > It's > not much fun." > > That said, it pisses me off to have another Rammstein fan come into this > generally very civil list and take a dump like that. It can only serve > to > confirm any prejudices people might have against Rammstein and their > moronic > fans, including me. > > Thanks a lot. > > Steve, > PC Lefty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:06:14 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] waveangst I want to apologize in advance for letting what I hope will be the final post from Mr. Waveangst go on to the list. However, this was the reasoning behind my decision: In the past when we have had troubles with certain ex-listmembers, their final posts seem to unerringly run afoul of majordomo (accidental use of majordomo command syntax, exceeding the maximum character length for a single post, etc.) and bounce to me. In those earlier cases, I kept the final posts to myself rather than subject the entire list to more vile spew. In retrospect, I think this was a mistake. It left doubt in some people's minds as to whether the booted chaps were really so bad. However, if I would have approved the bounced posts and let them go on to the list, it would have eliminated any doubt whatsoever. So this time, you get to see. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:48:26 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: what the? >Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:46:02 -0600 >To: waveangst@fastmail.fm >From: Miles Goosens >Subject: what the? > >You know, after your recent outburst, I went back and read your previous >idealcopy posts, since I couldn't recall anything about you beforehand. And >they were pretty innocuous. So I didn't see this coming. > >I really don't care what your politics or personal beliefs are. But the one >thing I will not tolerate on the list is advocating prejudice or abusing >other listmembers, both of which you have most certainly done. The list >welcome message sets out very few rules, but this is one of them. > >In short, I am unsubscribing you from the list, and unless you can be civil >on the list, I would rather that you didn't come back. > >- listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:08:25 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Miles,get rid of this.............Pt.1.5 - --- "Clements, Bruno - BUP" wrote: >> But then, Ari and Andrew (for starters, I should imagine) aren't we back to the censorship debate? I seem to remember that we (generally) agreed that unless someone was advocating violence against well, anyone really,they should be free to say what they liked.<< Then why was Graeme kicked off the list Bruno? If what you say is so then I'm free to call you anything I like? I think not,though there are undoubtedley lists where one can. If you remember, Ferdinand pointed out to me that my 'tone' in my letter to Paul was a bit out-of-order (re the elections) I agreed and appologised,and I hadn't called Paul a single 'name',I can't imagine this guy being so civil,can you? >>If everyone on this list ignores this Mr Waveangst he'll get bored and unsubscribe eventually (I hope).<< Then why even let him take up 'space' on our computers? >> An actual Pompous English Ass. Mind you, as in many countries, regional identities are always more cherished than national ones) So, that makes me aPompous Cornish/ Wiltshire- brought- up- in-Wales Ass << Glad I didn't call you that!!! >> PS Still, if Mr Waveangst's messages continue in the same tone and content I ouldn't blame Miles for getting fed up and bootin him off. Trouble is, I should imagine that would feed this guy's bizarre beliefs...<< And that worries you? You and I have been friends since you joined the list,we have never had anything 'bad' to say to one another,why? because I respect you and you respect me,this fucker has no respect for anyone except himself. still,he's gone now and good ridance. Later.Ari Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #7 *****************************