From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #373 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, December 30 2004 Volume 07 : Number 373 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Sum Wire Up In One Song [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] Sum Wire Up In One Song ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sum Wire Up In One Song - --- Tim wrote: >>Making a mixtape (well ok its a CD-R) for someone, and only room for 1 Wire track. Which track do you think most sells Wire to the uninitiated? Ive chosen 'The Lowdown'.Anyone got a better one?<< Drill (Dugga Dugga Dugga)(what else?) Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:26:07 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sum Wire Up In One Song > Lowdown is an excellent choice. > > I would probably go for Practice Makes Perfect. Find it hard to argue with those suggestions, but will throw Our Swimmer into the box! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:47:28 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another the 2004 List > OK top listens for 2004... Here's mine... SINGLES. IRISH BLOOD ENGLISH HEART - Morrissey (From that delectable plucky intro to the sheer defiance of the lyrics, this - the record that kickstared the Moz comeback - is a glorious return to form. And lets not forget that silly Hawkwind like noise that drops in mid song for no apparent reason) LOLA'S THEME - Shapeshifters (Just the type of dance record I like. Great pumping bassline and catchy chorus) TAKE ME OUT - Franz Ferdinand (It's been discussed before, but I just love the way that this record is a game of two halves. You think you know what you're getting and then a minute in, it totally changes when a stomping bridge suddenly takes you to that killer riff) FIRST OF THE GANG TO DIE - Morrissey (The new There Is A Light or Girlfriend In A Coma - i.e. Moz has returned to his fascination with Death Pop in the Leader of the Gang type tradition. And he does it so well - forgive him his bullet/gullet rhyme, "Hector was the first of the gang with a gun in his hand, the first to do time, and the first of the gang to die" is my chorus of the year. And that of my 6yr old, too!) WE FENCED OTHER GARDENS WITH THE BONES OF OUR OWN - The Liars ("We're doomed, we're doomed!!" creases me up every time - I just wish Dads Army star John Laurie was still here to cover it!) I HAVE FORGIVEN JESUS - Morrissey (Forget the contentious title, this is a great song and not just Moz being provocative. In fact, this is my fave track on the excellent You Are The Quarry album, but not quite as good a *single* as the first two. Still, I love the Moz take on Craig David's Seven Days - "Thursday is pathetic" intones Steven Patrick, no doubt still smarting from TOTP being moved to a Friday all those years ago. On a more serious note, I reckon this contains his finest vocal performance since I Know It's Over. There's some real spine-tingling moments as the track reaches it's climax) FLAMBOYANT - The Pet Shop Boys (The PSB's return to what they do best - making PSB's singles rather than trying to sound like Oasis like they did a couple of yrs back. In fact, this is my fave PSB's single in years, but sadly no-one else seems to give a toss now) PERSONAL JESUS - Marilyn Manson (This Depeche Mode song is obviously becoming something of a standard. First Johnny Cash gets *inside* the song, and then MM turns it into an excellent glam stomp. Obviously one of those songs that suits all sorts of treatments - let's just hope that Will Young keeps his dirty mitts off it) LET ME KISS YOU - Nancy Sinatra (Frank's little girl just pips Moz at the post for the best version of this song. Sounds like the type of 60's pop classic that Morrissey is such a fan of) TOXIC - Britney (Sneer all you like, boys'n'gals, Britney has delivered a pop classic here. Admittedly, even I - who knows little shame when it comes to pop music - had to put away a few prejudices before I could make this purchase!!) BUBBLING UNDER. LET ME KISS YOU - Morrissey FOR LOVERS - Wolfman feat. Pete Doherty TRANSITION - The Longcut LOST IN THE PLOT - The Dears COVER VERSIONS. THE HOUNDS OF LOVE - The Futureheads WHY DON'T YOU FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF - The Killers albums to follow... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:49:23 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another the 2004 List part 2 ALBUMS. FAKING THE BOOKS - Lali Puna (It's been my fave all year and it was going to take something special to pip it at the post. Great electro production, great toons and delicious girly vocals!! Stand out track - Grin & Bear) YOU ARE THE QUARRY - Morrissey (Best Moz album in at least ten years. The beautiful crisp production becomes him and there's some of his best lyrics in a long time. SOT - I Have Forgiven Jesus) MARGERINE ECLIPSE - Stereolab (Another of my old faves return to form - this is delicious, some of their best melodies in years - my fave Stereolab LP since Emporer Tomato Ketchup. SOT - Margerine Melodie) SATAN'S CIRCUS - Death In Vegas (Thought the last one was disappointing coming after the excellent Contino Sessions. This is a total change in style - Krautrock from moment one. It's hardly original of course - there's times when you have to remind yourself that it's not Kraftwerk, but I like this a lot more than the Krafties last one. SOT Ein Fur Die Damen) ABATTOIR BLUES/LYRE OF ORPHEUS - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds (Great 2 CD set, with some classic Cave songs. SOT - Easy Money) SMILE - Brian Wilson (The record that took even longer that Read & Burn 3! Hard to say whether anything is worth that long a wait, but I'm glad it's with us - finally. SOT Good Vibrations) THIS IS THE SHIT - Roger (Released On Julian Cope's Head Heritage label, he claims to be involved only in the artwork. BOLLOCKS!! Even a casual Saint fan would spot his dulcet tones and fake American accent. Imagine Parliament meeting The Stooges and deciding to party. Or as it says on the Cope site - "Massive guitar solos, arena-sized choruses, 60% funk traditions sprinkled with 40% dessert spoon-sized Hagen-Daas dream toppings of novelty compost"! 'Roger you're the one, shoot me with your funky gun' indeed. Great fun. SOT Overture) http://www.headheritage.co.uk/merchandiser/ FRANZ FERDINAND - Franz Ferdinand (Loved and derided in equal parts, but I love those early 80's influences - and their way with a tune. SOT - Take Me Out) HEADGIT - Githead (Surprsingly melodic mini-album from our Col, etc. Great basslines, and vintage Newman melodies. SOT To Have & To Hold) DROWNING CUPID - The Orphins (Fans of early XTC will adore this album - as I said in my review at http://www.evilsponge.org/albums/Orphins__DrowningCupid.htm "it's as if Barry Andrews never left, and Grass and Dear God never happened!" SOT The Car Song) BUBBLING UNDER. SONIC NURSE - Sonic Youth THE FUTUREHEADS - The Futureheads THEY WERE WRONG SO WE DROWNED - The Liars BEST COMPILATIONS / RE-ISSUES (not in order) ON THE BOX - Wire LIVE '91 - Julian Cope ZOOLOGY - Teardrop Explodes (superb version of Camera Camera) PIGS ON PURPOSE - The Nightingales (plus bonus tracks like Paraffin Brain, Urban Ospreys) AMATEUR WANKERS - The Prefects (great to hear Going Through The Motions again!!) MY PEOPLE WERE FAIR / PROPHETS SEERS & SAGES / UNICORN / A BEARD OF STARS - Tyrannosaurus Rex (great re-isse jobs, with alternative versions) T.REX - T.Rex (as above) VILLAGE GREEN PRESERVTION SOCIETY - The Kinks LIVE JULIAN COPE (Stoke Sugarmill) THE NIGHTINGALES (Shrewsbury Albert) THE LONGCUT (Wrexham Talbot) THE FALL (Manchester Bierkellor) THE FUTUREHEADS/MOWER (Wrexham Central Station) FILM LOST IN TRANSLATION FARENHEIT 911 SPIDERMAN 2 Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:16:27 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] A collision with revision Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:20:02 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another the 2004 List On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, Tim wrote: > Techno Animal/The Bug/Kevin Martin ((( He supported SHELLAC in Dublin and drove most people (myself included) from the room with needlessly high volume and exceptionally irritating blasts of high frequency noise. Speaking of gigs and year highlights/lowpoints, how could I forget: LIVE: PANSONIC THE LIARS DEAD: That GOBSHITE in the Whitehouse for a further four years. The ever lurching NI peace process. One step forward and two steps back. Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:08:03 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sum Wire Up In One Song >> Which track do you think most sells Wire to the uninitiated? >> I've chosen 'The Lowdown'. >> Anyone got a better one? > > Lowdown is an excellent choice. > > I would probably go for Practice Makes Perfect. > Hmmm - as an 80's Wire fan, I would have gone with "Ahead". That was the track that did it for me! (^_^) Hey - here's a perfect chance to test the theory that the Wire era you prefer is based on the first song you hear. Put a track from "Send" on the mix, maybe "The Art Of Stopping". (^_^) Lowdown *is* a good track though - it's not as obvious as some of the other Wire tracks that automatically get included on compilation CDs. Anyone else got a good idea? (^_^) Cheers, Paul P.S. Actually - I'm in Ari's neck of the woods right now. Visiting (future) in-laws in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Brrrrr!!! Pretty cold a Seattle-ite! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:21:11 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sum Wire Up In One Song > Which track do you think most sells Wire to the uninitiated? How about Mercy? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:04:02 -0600 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sum Wire Up In One Song From: Tim > Making a mixtape (well ok its a CD-R) for someone, and only room for 1 > Wire track. > Which track do you think most sells Wire to the uninitiated? > I've chosen 'The Lowdown'. > Anyone got a better one? I would choose "Map Ref" or "Question of Degree". Simple, accessible songs made up of complex wierdness. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:31:23 -0000 From: "John Goddard" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sum Wire Up In One Song Yes Mercy is the one! The track i was chewing on until Mark Mentioned Mercy, was Champs from Pink Flag - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sum Wire Up In One Song > > Which track do you think most sells Wire to the uninitiated? > > > > How about Mercy? > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:13:57 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sum Wire Up In One Song all good choices so far, but of course the initial post has me wonderin what sort of mix cdr this is...cuz that would really make the choice easier. if it's on the poppy side i'd go for map ref, poppy with an 80's feel would lead me towards ahead (or more likely kidney bingoes), and punk to12xu. but if the goal is to most closely represent the band as a whole in just one song...i think lowdown was an excellent choice :o) happy new year to all!! - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #373 *******************************