From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #352 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, December 7 2004 Volume 07 : Number 352 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [OT] Aphex Twin? (was Re: [idealcopy] B&S) [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] moz/comsats ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [OT] Aphex Twin? (was Re: [idealcopy] B&S) On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 07:48:49PM -0800, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > >NP Aphex Twin December 04 Promo (Only 20 odd minutes but a return to > >form.) > > New Aphex Twin? What is this??? I haven't heard of this? U.K. only? > Part of a magazine? WHAT??? (^_^) I want to know who to contact to get myself on the promo list. :) - - A (learning to be a little more shameless in his blagging attempts) - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 10pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:33:06 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Siouxsie & The Cure >Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:13:28 -0600 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: [idealcopy] siouxsie & the cure > >don't recall anyone mentioning that the long-awaited expanded 2cd of the >cure's 3 imaginary boys (which i don't believe has ever been released as >even >a single disc in the u.s., with the adulterated though excellent boys don't >cry filling the first-release slot over here) is finally out, along with >the >even-more-long-awaited banshees b-sides comp ... 4 discs' worth, i believe. >the cure release is actually set for tuesday, though i think it's been out >for >a week or 2 in the uk. the banshees box has apparently been out for a >couple >of weeks as well -- i've seen no reference to its getting a u.s. release, >though the import price of $65 or thereabouts isn't too odious, especially >with the madness of king george II sending the now-unstable-as-he-is dollar >spiraling to new depthss with virtually every keystroke as i write this ... > >anyone seen/heard either release? > I'll be going to the store to pick up The Cure - Three Imaginary Boys reissue this week when it comes available. The tracklist for the reissue is quite impressive, although I'm not sure why "Killing An Arab" isn't included on the bonus disc along with "Boys Don't Cry" and "Jumping Someone Else's Train" ("Killing An Arab" appeared on the U.S. edition, Boys Don't Cry along with those tracks.). I hope that the omission of "Killing An Arab" is not due to political correctness reasons....I'm still looking at the Chain Of Flowers website updates to be sure. The Siouxsie And The Banshees B-sides disc looks keen, but I'm more looking forward to whenever they finally reissue The Scream and the other early albums. I purchased the Uncut/NME Special Edition the other day that focuses on Goth bands. It's a fun read, although it doesn't branch out as much as it should. The "stadium goth" bands, such as The Cure, Siouxsie And The Banshees, The Cocteau Twins, The Mission UK, The Cult, and The Birthday Party/Nick Cave are discussed, but most other bands are left out of discussion. I recommend the issue overall, though. Jason Now Playing: Windsor For The Derby - We Fight Til Death ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:41:01 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #351 In a message dated 12/6/04 3:36:52 AM Central Standard Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: > CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > > NP Aphex Twin December 04 Promo (Only 20 odd minutes but a return to form. > ) > > New Aphex Twin? What is this??? I haven't heard of this? U.K. only? > Part of a magazine? WHAT??? (^_^) > > Cheers, > Paulphex um....where can i find this??? OR where can a get a cd-r ?? ; ) RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:48:09 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kevin coyne r.i.p. CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 04/12/2004 09:31:16 GMT Standard Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: figure indelibly associated with Peel in my mind as that was the only place I ever heard him and Peel used to play him a lot on the early 70s (esp, House on the Hill and Marjory Razorblade, both of which I can conjure up in the memory clearly now). ///// Likewise, well almost. I recall Peel playing his "Millionaires and Teddy Bears" quite a bit, early 80's. Wasn't that his biggest 'seller'?........................ Very sad news. I too never bought anything except a comp from Virgin with Marjory Razorblade onit." What a picture she made". ///// Aha. That would be the first Virgin compilation 'V' which I had/have, too. People like Henry Cow, Hatfield and the North, Mike Oldfield, and a stonking live version of "Mirror Man" by Captain Beefheart, which is worth the cover price alone......and Kevin's live rendition of "Majorie Razorblade......["The SUITE" ! ] " is pretty good, too..... As AT Keith says, a singular performer..........RIP Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:24:35 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] moz/comsats > hmm , good to see that last moz album (released , what , 4 months ago?) > re-issued as a double cd containing b-sides and (wait for it) 3 bonus tracks. > even by current music biz standards this seems incredibly cheeky ; didn't that > last iron maiden album do too well or something? is moz really that short of > cash? Yeah, as a Moz fan I have to say this too much, too soon. I won't be buying it. Well unless I see it dirt cheap! > must say i'm with keith on the comsats ; always seemed a very dull > proposition. amazed to hear them in the same sentence as the word "punk". that whole > bunnymen-lite scene (comsats , sound , chamaeleons etc) was all so safe , > conventional and big label that it seemed more the kind of thing to rebel > against rather than anything rebellious in itself. Shame you included The Sound there, Paul! I thought they were much better than others - prefer them to the Bunnymen overall. And Heyday positively rocks!! > looking forward to melvyn vs iggy tomorrow btw :-) p Good programme I thought. Thought Iggy was a really good interviewee - liked the way he really seemed to give each question a bit of thought, particularly when he had a lenghty pause before one. Thought he was never gonna answer!! Iggy and two Brian Wilson programmes on the telly within a few days. These truly are heady times ; ) K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:53:36 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] The Fall on the Beeb 21st January 2005 9.00pm BBC FOUR BBC FOUR focuses on one of England's truly unique and under-rated bands - The Fall in this special documentary. One of the most enigmatic, idiosyncratic and chaotic garage bands of the last 30 years, The Fall are lead by the belligerent and poetic Mark E Smith and grew out of the fringe of the Manchester punk scene and to date have released in excess of three dozen albums, toured relentlessly, inspired two successful stage plays, recorded 24 Peel Sessions, performed with contemporary ballet dancer Michael Clarke along with various spoken word events. All this has happened under the guidance of Smith with various line-ups currently totalling over 40 different members. They have never conformed to fashion or musical trends and when asked why they were his favourite band, John Peel replied "They are always different, they are always the same." This is the first time that Mark E Smith has agreed to the story being told on television and he along with many of the major players take us through this unique English rock 'n' roll story. Their rollercoaster story is told alongside footage of their most recent and sadly now last Peel Session recorded in August at the legendary BBC Maida Vale studios, there is also film of John playing out the session at Peel Acres a week later. Contributors include past and present band members including Marc Riley, Una Baines, Steve Hanley, Ben Pritchard and Eleni Smith plus thoughts from key fans/critics including Paul Morley, Tony Wilson, Stewart Lee, promoter Alan Wise, original Buzzcocks manager Richard Boon and Franz Ferdinand. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:04:40 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] moz/comsats In a message dated 06/12/2004 21:17:08 GMT Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > Shame you included The Sound there, Paul! I thought they were much better > than others - prefer them to the Bunnymen overall. And Heyday positively > rocks!! /////well i guess its just personal taste , i quite like the early bunnymen and i just saw the others as copyists. i did download "heyday" when it was being discussed here the other week....... > > >looking forward to melvyn vs iggy tomorrow btw :-) p > > Good programme I thought. Thought Iggy was a really good interviewee - liked > the way he really seemed to give each question a bit of thought, > particularly when he had a lenghty pause before one. Thought he was never > gonna answer!! > ////// i really enjoyed it , the research boys went and got some really good clips to show his history. one thing you noticed was the new stooges recordings never got a mention. on a first listen i thought they were OK , but after a few plays they all seemed a bit lacklustre. for something flagged up so much in advance , it was sadly a bit of a damp squib. er , did anyone watch the darkness one? i'm curious as to how the hell they filled an hour discussing their body of work...... p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:29:18 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kevin coyne r.i.p. > figure indelibly associated with Peel in my mind as that was the only > place I ever heard him and Peel used to play him a lot on the early 70s > (esp, House on the Hill and Marjory Razorblade, both of which I can > conjure up in the memory clearly now). This tribute is by The Nightingales singer Robert Lloyd, written as an obit for - I think - The Birmingham Post. Kevin Coyne, who died on Thursday 2 December aged 60, was one of the UK's great maverick artists. A writer, with at least five books to his credit (keeping track of this workaholic's output is tough going), a painter, whose work has been exhibited world wide and a truly unique and brilliant singer/songwriter, who may never have achieved 'commercial' success but has commanded love and respect from other musicians and the listening public around the globe for well over three decades. And on top of all this, he was a really good bloke. Born in Derby in January 1944, Kevin attended art school until '65 before becoming a social therapist at Whittingham Hospital for three years before moving to London. Continuing to work in mental health care and with drug addicts, he began to make music based, roughly, on his love of some the blues greats, but with his non-musical work influencing his lyrics. His band, Siren, signed to the Dandelion label, run by his biggest champion (and mine), the late, beloved John Peel . For Dandelion, the band and Coyne, as a solo artist, recorded five albums including the superb and deeply personal 'Case History' (72). Then Kevin became the second artist, following Mike 'Tubular Bells' Oldfield, to sign for Richard Branson's newly formed Virgin Records. He released eleven albums for Virgin in eight years and toured constantly. This period involved a collection of masterworks, including 'Marjory Razorblade' (73), 'Blame It On The Night' (74), 'Beautiful Extremes' (77) and the brilliant live recording 'In Living Black And White' (76). During the Virgin years he worked with such top, and varied, musicians as Zoot Money, Robert Wyatt, (pre-Police) Andy Summers, British jazz legend Carla Bley and punk band The Ruts. He wrote two musicals, 'England, England' and 'Babble', the latter recorded with the wonderful Dagmar Krause. However, this self imposed workload, coupled with increasing alcohol dependence, caused Coyne to have a nervous breakdown in 1981. He recovered, left Virgin, signed to the independent Cherry Red Records and began recording and touring once more. His albums continued to be diverse, often with his words and Great British blues growl being the only link from each to the next. That voice was something else. One of the UK's really original, soulful male singers; it is little wonder that years earlier he had been asked by The Doors to replace Jim Morrison (KC knocked 'em back of course, he didn't rate the music and hated leather trousers). In '85 Kevin moved to Nuremburg where he married his second wife Helmi. Shortly after the move, he published his first volume of short stories, 'The Party Dress' (Serpents Tail) and began to exhibit his paintings. In '87 he gave up drinking totally. Throughout the final, near, two decades of his life, the man released another dozen or so albums (with his two musician sons, Robert and Eugene on the later ones; try 93's 'Rough And Sweet'), he wrote more books, painted and exhibited more pictures, toured his live shows 'til the end. This was a working artist, a grafter not a poser. I can count myself amongst the many involved with making music who have been inspired by Kevin's talent and artistic but very humane view of the world. I was also fortunate enough to hang out and play shows with 'old tousled head' when my own group, The Nightingales, were first starting out in the early 'eighties. As a performer Kevin was dynamite; unlike anyone else and unpredictable - when The 'Gales did a tour with him I saw him perform with, say, a saxophonist and conga player in Norwich on Monday, a full rock group in Bristol on Tuesday and then an acoustic guitar and double bass on the Wednesday somewhere else, and so on. He had such a catalogue of original songs, such a knowledge of standards and blues numbers, plus a fantastic ability to improvise, words as well as music, that you never got the same thing twice. Every show was special. So too was the bulk of his prolific recorded output. To quote from my own sleevenotes for the CD reissues of some of his Virgin albums: 'The goods involve no real barriers in musical styles and certainly make use of words. They are not afraid of madness but also embrace diligence and care. Ideally, they can busk as well as craft, laugh as well as cry and, essentially, have to inspire and provoke thought. If they can take chances whilst remaining true to their own conscience, the goods shine bright. Through the years Kevin has regularly come up with the goods. This never fashionable character needs not the nods of the glib or the studious because his work speaks volumes for him as a true artist and a top man'. The sleazy, 'celeb' infested entertainment world that now rules will see very few people with Kevin's originality, imagination and workrate in the future. He will be genuinely missed. But, you can bet your last quid that he is forcing Elvis to sit out of some sessions in Heaven's Supergroup and his pictures of Jimi, and all God's children, are being painted as you read this. Meanwhile, his work down here remains permanent, I urge you to try and check it out. Robert Lloyd ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #352 *******************************