From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #350 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, December 5 2004 Volume 07 : Number 350 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] kevin coyne ["j.hobson" ] RE: [idealcopy]OT:- VDGG [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] ot: manhunter movie [Derek White ] [idealcopy] O.T: Napster/ free mp3 d/l [Ari ] [idealcopy] SACD + 5.1amp ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] siouxsie & the cure ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] siouxsie & the cure [Monochromatic Man ] [idealcopy] O.T: There's a million born every minute........ [Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kevin coyne The sad and growing list of departed names is starting to remind of my youth reading Melody Maker. MM had been the big Jazz paper in its past and still had pages devoted to it and the never ending Jazz sessions. It also had a weekly obituary list (and I mean list) because by the early 70s the bulk of Jazz greats and players were hitting pensionable age and were beginning to play their final improvisation. It now seems that the wheel is turning full circle and every week someone else in Rock's past dies and this is going to accelerate in the coming few years. Bits of everyone's past is now beginning to die and fade way. C'est la vie. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Knight" To: "'Clements, Bruno - BUP'" ; Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] kevin coyne r.i.p. >A figure indelibly associated with Peel in my mind as that was the only > place I ever heard him and Peel used to play him a lot on the early 70s > (esp, House on the Hill and Marjory Razorblade, both of which I can > conjure up in the memory clearly now). I never bought anything and > never saw him live but he was a singular figure and it's sad to hear > he's gone. > > Another the Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Clements, Bruno - BUP > Sent: 04 December 2004 08:52 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [idealcopy] kevin coyne r.i.p. > > Taken from http://www.kevincoyne.de/News.htm > > Dear Friends, > > Kevin died on Thursday morning, > 2nd December 2004. > > The divine service - last party - takes place on Monday, 13th December > 2004, > at 12.30 h, > Friedenskirche, Am Palmplatz, N|rnberg, Germany > > The funeral takes place on Monday, > 13th December 2004, at 14.00 h, > St. Johannis Friedhof, N|rnberg, Germany > > > Only saw him once, at the Thekla in Bristol a few years ago. Funny and > moving. A real loss. > > Bruno > > > > Subject: [idealcopy] kevin coyne r.i.p. > > > did i miss this? from the mekons list -- > >>>According to a reliable source, Kevin Coyne died Thursday. > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 07:23:46 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OT:- VDGG In fact the French military *did* experiment with it some years back, with disasterous consequences, for the very reason you described:- it's utterly indiscriminate. So far as I am aware, the directionality of sound decreases as the frequency drops, so the infrasound band is pretty much omnidirectional, and would waste as many of your own side as the 'enemy'. The French experiment consisted of a device akin to a giant whistle, fed by compressed air, the large dimensions of which ensured that the pitch belting forth was *really* low:- in the order of 3-4 Hz, I think, and at staggerring SPL's of IIRC 130-140dB above ambient noise . Anyway, the thing actually made a pretty decent job of demolishing walls, however, the uniformed personage who was closest to the device dropped down pretty much dead on the spot. An autopsy revealed a gelatinous mass where his 'vitals' had once been. Not , therefore, an experiment liable to be repeated, I feel.......... "Clements, Bruno - BUP" wrote: Frank Zappa also used very low bass occasionally........ I was in the front row of the Birmingham Arena gig on his last proper UK tour (one or two orchestral dates followed a year or so later) and when he flicked some switch or other (that was how it seemed) on a keyboard it felt like you were being kicked in the stomach... Given what Derek says that isn't far from the truth! I'm suprised the military don't use infrasound, if it is that effective - imagine knocked out an opposing army because their organs have all failed. Yuk! Indescriminate as well... Bruno (who'll be in the RFH balcony) - -----Original Message----- From: Derek White [mailto:zak_blakk@yahoo.com] Sent: 03 December 2004 16:21 To: idealcopy Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT:- VDGG The microphone-vibrating speakers of which you speak were in fact a Hugh Banton speciality:- they were 24" in diameter, and had been made specifically for testing the vibration characteristics of aircraft wings !! Certainly, they made the 'stage furniture' move about at times.........They produced LOW, LOW frequencies down to about 6 Hz or so, which is some way below human hearing, but when he hit those bass-pedals, you certainly felt it........too much of that infrasound, and you throw up, or worse:- if it's loud and intense enough, it can mash up your internals .......:-( ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 07:35:04 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: manhunter movie Dunno: I *think* you might have just had the misfortune to see a bad print...... But as I've got a VHS of it, I'll check. I saw a widescreen print transmitted on terrestrial TV about 2 yrs back, and the sound seemed fine on that, too. The problem I have with my VHS copy is the pic quality ain' t that great ! Parts of the screen with saturated colours in 'smear' all over the place, and the overall sharpness reminds you of a 3rd-generation or worse copy, so I think there may have been a glitch in *some* of the duplication............ Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/29/04 10:19:47 AM, zak_blakk@yahoo.com writes: > the soundtrack to Micheal Mann's 'Manhunter', the film that got re-cycled > as 'Red Dragon'....... [The original's still the best] > the thing i remember most about this film is that the entire soundtrack (literally, i mean all the sound, not just the music) was so bad i could barely stand to stick with it. i had trouble making out so much of the dialog that i found the whole movie very unenjoyable. of course i do live up to my screenname, but i don't usually have that much trouble hearing movie dialog, especially in the theater. more typically i have to turn up the sound on the tv at home, and then i turn it back down when a loud musical sequence comes in. age of innocence was the worst offender in that department, the dialog was so much lower than the music. can anyone confirm whether the sound recording for manhunter was indeed poor quality or if i just happened to see a bad print? it sounded to me as if all the dialog had been recorded indoors and that there was some reverb that made the outdoor scenes sound strange...but not good strange, just strange...strange and bad. - -paul c.d. Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:55:18 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Napster/ free mp3 d/l - --- > > if any of you have NAPSTER, here is a code for a > free download. > > go to www.napster.com/energizer > > enter code: YWVMC4Q4 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:09:28 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] SACD + 5.1amp I'm lucky enough to be able to fit out a room with a new hi-fi after making do with a surprisingly good mini-system (apart from some rather cheap speakers) for the last seven years It would seem to make sense to go for a SACD player and 5.1 amp. I'll be getting floor standing speakers, probably Mordaunt Shorts as these are a good price at Richer Sounds (cult UK cut-price store), and have some small old-but-good Castle speakers I can use as rears for the surround sound experience. I also have a front speaker and can pick up a sub-woofer reasonably cheaply. Does anyone have any hints or can suggest things to avoid when buying/setting this up? Sony SACD players are just starting to be discounted and I've always had a soft spot for Yamaha equipment so may consider a Yamaha or Sony amp (from the Japanese camp) though I'm sure there are good UK/US manufacturers too... ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:24:15 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] moz/comsats hmm , good to see that last moz album (released , what , 4 months ago?) re-issued as a double cd containing b-sides and (wait for it) 3 bonus tracks. even by current music biz standards this seems incredibly cheeky ; didn't that last iron maiden album do too well or something? is moz really that short of cash? must say i'm with keith on the comsats ; always seemed a very dull proposition. amazed to hear them in the same sentence as the word "punk". that whole bunnymen-lite scene (comsats , sound , chamaeleons etc) was all so safe , conventional and big label that it seemed more the kind of thing to rebel against rather than anything rebellious in itself. looking forward to melvyn vs iggy tomorrow btw :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:13:28 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] siouxsie & the cure don't recall anyone mentioning that the long-awaited expanded 2cd of the cure's 3 imaginary boys (which i don't believe has ever been released as even a single disc in the u.s., with the adulterated though excellent boys don't cry filling the first-release slot over here) is finally out, along with the even-more-long-awaited banshees b-sides comp ... 4 discs' worth, i believe. the cure release is actually set for tuesday, though i think it's been out for a week or 2 in the uk. the banshees box has apparently been out for a couple of weeks as well -- i've seen no reference to its getting a u.s. release, though the import price of $65 or thereabouts isn't too odious, especially with the madness of king george II sending the now-unstable-as-he-is dollar spiraling to new depthss with virtually every keystroke as i write this ... anyone seen/heard either release? dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:27:52 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] siouxsie & the cure ah, i see upon further review that the banshees isn't due out till the 6th, at least according to cduniverse (siren disc appends no such proviso). amazon muddies up the waters a bit by showing a release date of the *9th*, a thursday (aren't mondays days of release in the uk, as tuesdays are over here), but also wants to charge some $20 more than other sellers i've seen ... must be something in the earth/air/fire/water, what with these releases coming on the heels of that uncut (or is it mojo? i always confuse the 2) special issue on the big-name gothesque icons, which just reached the racks here in the middle of mullet country ... dan > don't recall anyone mentioning that the long-awaited expanded 2cd of the > cure's 3 imaginary boys (which i don't believe has ever been released as even > a single disc in the u.s., with the adulterated though excellent boys don't > cry filling the first-release slot over here) is finally out, along with the > even-more-long-awaited banshees b-sides comp ... 4 discs' worth, i believe. > the cure release is actually set for tuesday, though i think it's been out for > a week or 2 in the uk. the banshees box has apparently been out for a couple > of weeks as well -- i've seen no reference to its getting a u.s. release, > though the import price of $65 or thereabouts isn't too odious, especially > with the madness of king george II sending the now-unstable-as-he-is dollar > spiraling to new depthss with virtually every keystroke as i write this ... > > anyone seen/heard either release? > > dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:30:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: Re: [idealcopy] siouxsie & the cure I just preordered the Cure. The Banshees box might have to wait until the big 4-0 next year... wnd3 --- dan bailey wrote: > ah, i see upon further review that the banshees > isn't due out till the 6th, > at least according to cduniverse (siren disc appends > no such proviso). > amazon muddies up the waters a bit by showing a > release date of the *9th*, a > thursday (aren't mondays days of release in the uk, > as tuesdays are over > here), but also wants to charge some $20 more than > other sellers i've seen > ... > > must be something in the earth/air/fire/water, what > with these releases > coming on the heels of that uncut (or is it mojo? i > always confuse the 2) > special issue on the big-name gothesque icons, which > just reached the racks > here in the middle of mullet country ... > > dan > > > don't recall anyone mentioning that the > long-awaited expanded 2cd of the > > cure's 3 imaginary boys (which i don't believe has > ever been released as > even > > a single disc in the u.s., with the adulterated > though excellent boys > don't > > cry filling the first-release slot over here) is > finally out, along with > the > > even-more-long-awaited banshees b-sides comp ... 4 > discs' worth, i > believe. > > the cure release is actually set for tuesday, > though i think it's been out > for > > a week or 2 in the uk. the banshees box has > apparently been out for a > couple > > of weeks as well -- i've seen no reference to its > getting a u.s. release, > > though the import price of $65 or thereabouts > isn't too odious, especially > > with the madness of king george II sending the > now-unstable-as-he-is > dollar > > spiraling to new depthss with virtually every > keystroke as i write this > ... > > > > anyone seen/heard either release? > > > > dan > ___________________________________________________________ Moving house? 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For a yorkshire lad he's not a bad guitarist though old John.I was really taken with Billy Cobhams drums though as I used to bash them a bit myself.He was a jazz drummer really & I followed his career for a good while.He lapsed back into the jazz fusion/ rock stuff.ie. with George Duke.But he made an album called Spectrum which is really powerful stuff.Had the guitarist Tommy Bollin on it. The Orchestra also spawned Jan Hammer if you recall.Didn't he have something to do with TV show themes like Miami Vice ?? For a while the Mahavishnu Orchestra were quite a dynamic force but as ever the parts went seperate ways & considering the characters involved it wasn't surprising. Chris NP Aphex Twin December 04 Promo (Only 20 odd minutes but a return to form.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:42:44 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B&S In a message dated 04/12/2004 01:23:08 GMT Standard Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: This really was the jazz fusion stuff Mr Bursa mentioned disparagingly (surprise!) a few posts ago, more so than Colosseum whose live double I have a soft spot for despite not having heard it for 30 years probably I've got that too but haven't played it for years.The mark ii Colliseum were more rocky with Gary Moore.I have a couple of albums but that was at the death of that type of rock.Within a very short time The Sex Pistols & others were moving in to my radar & that was a saviour i can tell you. I love Slap Happy & Henry Cow & above all Hatfield & The North.Missed a chance to see H & T N & have regretted it to this day. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:50:37 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] kevin coyne r.i.p. In a message dated 04/12/2004 09:31:16 GMT Standard Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: figure indelibly associated with Peel in my mind as that was the only place I ever heard him and Peel used to play him a lot on the early 70s (esp, House on the Hill and Marjory Razorblade, both of which I can conjure up in the memory clearly now). Very sad news. I too never bought anything except a comp from Virgin with Marjory Razorblade onit." What a picture she made".Lots of characters disappearing lately. Off Topic - just watched a BBC tribute to Fred Dibnah.That man was one hell of a character. Non UK listers.Our Fred was a steeplejack & destroyer of old industrial chimneys. Later in life he was a pretty good TV presenter of all things to do with industrial heritage & by all accounts loved his Guinness too. Chris NP The White Stripes - Elephant ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #350 *******************************