From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #332 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, November 16 2004 Volume 07 : Number 332 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Where only edges can be seen [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] confession [Derek White ] [idealcopy] [OT] RIP John Balance of Coil [Jan Noorda ] Re: [idealcopy] Bad news for Coil fans [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Jhon Balance RIP [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com ["Keith Astbury"] Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com [MarkBursa@aol.c] Re: [idealcopy] Where only edges can be seen ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com ["Keith Astbury"] RE: [idealcopy] Last Peel Show ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Where only edges can be seen [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com [MarkBursa@aol.c] Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com [Rex Broome ] RE: [idealcopy] Last Peel Show ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Where only edges can be seen ["Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Where only edges can be seen Aaron said: "40 Versions" is still by far the weakest artifact of that period in Wire's history. ((( Good Lord... I'm amazed to hear you say that... I think it's wonderful, lyrically strong too, a great closing track to 154, and a good live version on the WDR_DVD. Weakest from that period (assuming we are talking about 154 era) would have to be The Other Window, even though I always enjoy Bruce's 'story', especially the line, "the more it struggled, the more it strangled" Stunning news about GO4. Just hope there's a Dublin promoter enlightened enough to get 'em over. Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:19:13 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Bad news for Coil fans Came across this on another site. I don't anything about the guy, but I know there's a few Coil fans here... http://www.thresholdhouse.com/index2.html "We are greatly saddened to have to you that at about 5.30 pm Saturday Nov 13th, Jhonn Balance, was killed in an accident at home. Under the influence of alcohol he fell from the first floor landing, hitting his head on the floor some 15ft below. Peter/Sleazy who was in the front room heard the noise, came out investigate and found him unconscious, though still breathing. Balance was rushed to hospital, where his condition deteriorated, and he died soon after, without ever regaining consciousness. There is no suggestion that this event was in any way deliberate, in fact, anything other than a tragic accident. Unusually, Balance had been cheerfull during the day, and was looking forward to seeing Ian at the weekend, and working on new recordings this week. * * * Our awareness that physical death is not an end, but mearly a transition to a whole different part of existence, a new adventure, should by now be clear to everyone. Jhonn has simply crossed over the Threshold... As Thomas Olson wrote this morning: "Listening to some Coil songs now, and they are all sounding to me now as if they were written for this moment...." Nevertheless the parting will be hard for us all. Fortunately there is much to be done that will keep us busy in the next few difficult weeks. When we have more details we will post them." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:50:36 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 50 greatest punk basslines I think we perhaps *are* wandering off the turf of that which I think constitutes 'punk'...... I don't know that it really qualifies as such, at all, but it's certainly an absolute pearler of a bassline. LOVE the clanky, slappy tone of it, too...... it certainly drives the song along, doesn't it? Steve Loubert wrote:I just have to add Longest Days by The Sound. Again, "but is it punk?" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek White To: Derek White ; idealcopy Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 50 greatest punk basslines > And I almost forgot, the bassline to Howard & co's snaking fretless bassline to "A song from under the floorboards", which is an *absolute* gem, IMHO........ > > But again, is it punk? You decide, dear reader........... > > Derek (Hoping that we're not about to run the "punk/post-punk/new wave" nomenclature debate again.....;-) > > Derek White wrote: > I always liked Magazine's "Definitive gaze" bassline meself. But is it punk, m'friends? > > Glenn & Cecile wrote: > > guns of brixton > > could've been up there too! or did paul play the bass part in the studio? > > > > > > I believe so. Joe certainly played it live. > > Since so few reacted to my "Boredom" suggestion, The Clash seem to be > favoured, a lot of this stuff isn't *really* punk anyway, and I feel > mysterious today, is anyone up for "White Man in Hammersmith Palais?" > > Glenn. > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:58:39 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Good grief charlie brown............. Sheeesh, # 580:00 ?? I'd pay a good percentage of that *not* to have to go......;-) However, a friend of mine is a big Tom Waits fan, and I suspect that had he known of this sale, he might have entered a bid, even at that price. Bordering on the fanatical, the TW massive........... Ari wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16067&item=2283616373&rd=1 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:04:22 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] confession Just goes to show how tastes vary, even among confirmed Wire fans: I've always kinda liked "40 versions" myself, & think it's a fair way of ending the side....................... That's a rasping bit of a bassline in there, too. Literally, at times......... Aaron Mandel wrote: I bought Wire On The Box as soon as it came out, then... .............. ......Tonight, bored and sitting at home, I finally unwrapped it and put the disc on. What a fantastic surprise-- the songs sound new and the band is obviously enjoying itself despite the bored audience. "40 Versions" is still by far the weakest artifact of that period in Wire's history. Other than that, great concert. a Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:07:47 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] confession Ari wrote: Now THAT'S what I call willpower,soon as I got mine I ripped it open and lit up.Ari //// Now *that's* what I call a positive reaction to an album. I mostly just grin........;-) Didn't have your fingers in the mains outlet did you? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 05:04:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] RIP John Balance of Coil More sad news for the autumn of 2004 ( from http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/ ) GEFF RUSHTON (JOHN BALANCE) 1962-2004 We are sad to report the untimely passing of Geff Rushton (a.k.a. John Balance), founder of Coil, occasional member of Zos Kia, Psychic TV, Nurse With Wound, Current 93, Death In June, and friend to many. He will be sadly missed in this world. A Book of Condolence is being established in honor at http://www.thresholdhouse.com/ http://brainwashed.com/coil/ Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:30:28 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Where only edges can be seen > Aaron said: > > "40 Versions" is still by far the weakest artifact of > that period in > Wire's history. > > ((( Good Lord... I'm amazed to hear you say that... I > think it's wonderful, lyrically strong too, a great > closing track to 154, and a good live version on the > WDR_DVD. I'm with you, Fergus. I love 40V, musically and lyrically. np TX - Wilder ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:30:27 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] confession >> Now THAT'S what I call willpower,soon as I got mine I >> ripped it open and lit up.Ari > Now *that's* what I call a positive reaction to an album. > I mostly just grin........;-) I thought "lit up" meant something like setting fire to it! ;-) Bart (just did a lil linedance as my copy arrived) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:24:10 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bad news for Coil fans > "We are greatly saddened to have to you that at about 5.30 pm Saturday Nov > 13th, John Balance, was killed in an accident at home. > Under the influence of alcohol he fell from the first floor landing, hitting > his head on the floor some 15ft below. Jeez, what's in a name... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:21:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Bad news for Coil fans - --- Bart van Damme wrote: >> Jeez, what's in a name... Bart<< I guess he 'lost it'.............Ari (should we all recoil at this?) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:32:44 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Jhon Balance RIP As a Coil fan of the last 20 years, this comes as a total shock.... From the Brainwashed site: "We are greatly saddened to have to say to you that at about 5.30 pm Saturday Nov 13th, Jhonn Balance, was killed in an accident at home. Under the influence of alcohol he fell from the first floor landing, hitting his head on the floor some 15ft below. Peter/Sleazy who was in the front room heard the noise, came out investigate and found him unconscious, though still breathing. Balance was rushed to hospital, where his condition deteriorated, and he died soon after, without ever regaining consciousness. There is no suggestion that this event was in any way deliberate, in fact, anything other than a tragic accident. Unusually, Balance had been cheerfull during the day, and was looking forward to seeing Ian at the weekend, and working on new recordings this week. * * * Our awareness that physical death is not an end, but mearly a transition to a whole different part of existence, a new adventure, should by now be clear to everyone. Jhonn has simply crossed over the Threshold... As Thomas Olson wrote this morning: "Listening to some Coil songs now, and they are all sounding to me now as if they were written for this moment...." Nevertheless the parting will be hard for us all. Fortunately there is much to be done that will keep us busy in the next few difficult weeks. When we have more details we will post them." I'm speechless. Just 42 years old. Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:12:18 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com There's also a 4 star review in this months Uncut magazine. It ends with... "Under stark lighting the dapper-looking quartet unleash a typical ornery set that draws heavily on their then un-released 3rd album 154. Often an eratic live proposition, the Wire of 1979 prove to be a lean , post-punk machine, equally adept at the splenetic blast of Another the Letter and Men 2nd, and the more exotically textured Heartbeat and French Film Blurred. With singer CN the close-cropped, vein-bulging focus, they prove an unexpected compelling spectacle. Even the audience of Cologne hippies seem impressed". At the risk of exposing my ignorance though, what's "ornery" mean? np Githead - headgit - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Pietromonaco To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 6:26 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review froim allmusic.com > Hi everyone, > > (Actual Wire content! Woo hoo!) > > I can't remember if this got posted or not. Nice review of "On The Box" > from Allmusic.com. > > http://tinyurl.com/5dvd8 > > Sample review quote: "The band is energetic and dynamic, unfazed by an > apathetic, uncomfortable audience resembling a librarians' convention." > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:32:37 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com At the risk of exposing my ignorance though, what's "ornery" mean? Bad-tempered, angry. I take it to mean "grumpy" rather than "irate" though - I think the writer's trying for a too-clever variation and doesn't quite get it right. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:35:47 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Where only edges can be seen - ----- Original Message ----- From: Fergus Kelly > Weakest from that period (assuming we are talking > about 154 era) would have to be The Other Window, even > though I always enjoy Bruce's 'story', especially the > line, "the more it struggled, the more it strangled" > > Fergus Oh Fergus! I love The Other Window - one of my all time Wire favourite tracks - I assume we're talking about the 154 version rather than Peel session. For me the one and only skipper on 154 is Once Is Enough. Not warmed to it in 23 years. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:57:13 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com actually, i've always taken it to mean willful (the british contingent drops the 2nd "l," i believe) & contrarian -- more a state of mind than of emotion, if that makes any sense. in which case the adjective would seem rather apposite after all. dan > At the risk of exposing my ignorance though, what's "ornery" mean? > > > Bad-tempered, angry. > > I take it to mean "grumpy" rather than "irate" though - I think the writer's > trying for a too-clever variation and doesn't quite get it right. > > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:34:24 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Where only edges can be seen > For me the one and only skipper on 154 is Once Is Enough. Not warmed to it > in 23 years. Never been too keen on the lyrics of I Should Have Known Better & A Touching Display - dunno, bit too adolescent poetry-like for my taste. Great music though. Two People In A Room, Map Ref. & the 15th always were my 154 faves. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:42:04 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Rest in Peace... ....John Balance of Coil ....... forgive me if this has already been reported but i subscribe to the digest and had no way of knowing... a truly unique individual who created truly unique music is gone... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:27:37 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com At 02:57 PM 11/15/2004 -0600, dan bailey wrote: >actually, i've always taken it to mean willful (the british contingent drops >the 2nd "l," i believe) & contrarian -- more a state of mind than of >emotion, if that makes any sense. in which case the adjective would seem >rather apposite after all. Exactly. Obstinate + contrarian gets you there. I didn't take it as "too clever" at all, but then again, "ornery" was a word in near-daily usage in my household. later, ornery Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:21:31 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miles Goosens" To: Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com > At 02:57 PM 11/15/2004 -0600, dan bailey wrote: > >actually, i've always taken it to mean willful (the british contingent drops > >the 2nd "l," i believe) & contrarian -- more a state of mind than of > >emotion, if that makes any sense. in which case the adjective would seem > >rather apposite after all. > > Exactly. Obstinate + contrarian gets you there. I didn't take it as "too clever" at all, but then again, "ornery" was a word in near-daily usage in my household. > > later, > > ornery Miles looking back, i'd say the word was also common usage in the western movies & comics of yore (surely i wasn't the only one reading the exploits of the rawhide kid [who i see has latterly been "outed" as the first openly gay comics character ... inevitable, i suppose, with that name], kid colt & the outlaw kid? well, yeah, probably i was). see: "ornery cuss." ornerily(wd?), dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 01:07:34 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Last Peel Show According to the Times the last Peel world service show will be aired next Friday - will include Neu, Dolls House, Ella Guru (new Liverpool band apparently) and the final record will be by Dr Venom. Will be broadcast 10.30am, repeated 1.30pm, 7.30pm, and Sat 1.45am on world service (dunno where that is actually). Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:22:18 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com > At 02:57 PM 11/15/2004 -0600, dan bailey wrote: > >actually, i've always taken it to mean willful (the british contingent drops > >the 2nd "l," i believe) & contrarian -- more a state of mind than of > >emotion, if that makes any sense. in which case the adjective would seem > >rather apposite after all. > > Exactly. Obstinate + contrarian gets you there. I didn't take it as "too clever" at all, but then again, "ornery" was a word in near-daily usage in my household. > > later, > > ornery Miles Well it wasn't a word we used in our household. But then we all got a long just fine ; ) Anyway, I've just done what I should have done in the 1st place and looked the bugger up. Mean-spirited, disagreeable, and contrary in disposition; cantankerous. "Under stark lighting the dapper-looking quartet unleash a typical ornery set". So, are we going for contrary here then?! np sigur ros ( ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:31:11 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Last Peel Show Damn fine band Ella Guru, despite sounding more like Low than Beefheart - - not that there's anything wrong in sounding like Low, just that the name conjures up a Beefheartian expectation that is a long way from being realised. I saw them at the Green Man festival in the summer and was really taken with their approach and their song writing ability. The first album - called, with a Ronseal sense of directness, Ella Guru - - The First Album - is a very quiet set of songs which edge themselves into your consciousness, although if you stick it on and don't pay it attention it will drift on by until the burst of noise from guest vocalist Jimmy Carl Black from - *gasp* - the Mothers of Invention hits the speakers some way in on My Favourite Punk Tune. Also recommended is the excellent Three Songs from Liverpool which came out last year. After the releases from TV on the Radio and The Earlies the best debut of the year I've heard so far, although I am very keen on hearing the CocoRosie album as the tracks available on line are very strange. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury According to the Times the last Peel world service show will be aired next Friday - will include Neu, Dolls House, Ella Guru (new Liverpool band apparently) and the final record will be by Dr Venom. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:05:16 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Where only edges can be seen >>Oh Fergus! I love The Other Window - one of my all time Wire favourite tracks - I assume we're talking about the 154 version rather than Peel session. For me the one and only skipper on 154 is Once Is Enough. Not warmed to it in 23 years.<< For me 154 is pretty much as close to perfection as any album has ever been (aside - it aces Unknown Pleasures on account of Interzone, which while not a 'skipper' doesn't seem to fit. Imagine Transmission there instead....) But Chairs Missing has always had a 'skipper' for me - From the Nursery, which in the same way I'd never warmed to over the years. Until the other day, when I played the album for the first time in a while. And FTN sounded very fine indeed. After all this time, eh? What does that say about the track and/or me? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:12:10 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com >>looking back, i'd say the word was also common usage in the western movies & comics of yore (surely i wasn't the only one reading the exploits of the rawhide kid [who i see has latterly been "outed" as the first openly gay comics character ... inevitable, i suppose, with that name], kid colt & the outlaw kid? well, yeah, probably i was). see: "ornery cuss." ornerily(wd?),<< I've always considered it to be a very American term - uttered, as you say, in old westerns, usually by some snaggle-toothed old git in the saloon bar apropos of some local hoodlum, or perhaps a recalcitrant animal ("ornery critter" etc). Can't say I've ever used it in anything I've written, or in conversation. Or heard it spoken by a Brit. Interesting that your understanding of it is ever-so-slightly different from mine! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:15:57 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on the Box review from allmusic.com > >>looking back, i'd say the word was also common usage in the western movies > & > comics of yore (surely i wasn't the only one reading the exploits of the > rawhide kid [who i see has latterly been "outed" as the first openly gay > comics character ... inevitable, i suppose, with that name], kid colt & the > outlaw kid? well, yeah, probably i was). see: "ornery cuss." > > ornerily(wd?),<< > I've always considered it to be a very American term - uttered, as you say, > in old westerns, usually by some snaggle-toothed old git in the saloon bar > apropos of some local hoodlum, or perhaps a recalcitrant animal ("ornery > critter" etc). Ummm, make that "varmint". No other mutual fans of Wire and Waylon Jennings of "Lonesome, Orn'ry and Mean" fame? Oh, well... - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:10:24 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Where only edges can be seen Mark > But Chairs Missing has always had a 'skipper' for me - From the Nursery, > which in the same way I'd never warmed to over the years. > > Until the other day, when I played the album for the first time in a while. > And FTN sounded very fine indeed. > > After all this time, eh? What does that say about the track and/or me? Trippy... always loved "From the Nursery"... - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:45:26 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Where only edges can be seen In a message dated 11/15/04 3:23:33 PM, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: > > For me the one and only skipper on 154 is Once Is Enough. > i might have to agree with ian on this one... that is, if i had to choose a least favorite. 40 versions is way up on my list. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:33:07 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Last Peel Show On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Keith Knight wrote: > After the releases from TV on the Radio and The Earlies the best debut > of the year I've heard so far, although I am very keen on hearing the > CocoRosie album as the tracks available on line are very strange. The best TV On The Radio track is the one they didn't put on the album for some reason-- "New Health Rock", released as a single a month ago and now apparently packaged with the full album. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:56:44 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Last Peel Show I was a bit slow of the mark with New Health Rock and have been unable to track it down in any UK record shop I've been to in the last few weeks. It's still available on amazon but I've held off paying 4.99 - not for much longer I suspect. If it's the best track it would indeed be magnificent - for I have still to hear a better LP this year, despite Nick Cave's stunning effort. Another the Keith [um, why do you refer to idealcopy as 'children of groceries' in the email address?!] - -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Mandel [mailto:aaron@eecs.harvard.edu] Sent: 16 November 2004 04:33 To: Keith Knight Cc: Children Of Groceries Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Last Peel Show On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Keith Knight wrote: > After the releases from TV on the Radio and The Earlies the best debut > of the year I've heard so far, although I am very keen on hearing the > CocoRosie album as the tracks available on line are very strange. The best TV On The Radio track is the one they didn't put on the album for some reason-- "New Health Rock", released as a single a month ago and now apparently packaged with the full album. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:25:36 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Where only edges can be seen > But Chairs Missing has always had a 'skipper' for me - From the Nursery, > which in the same way I'd never warmed to over the years. > > Until the other day, when I played the album for the first time in a while. > And FTN sounded very fine indeed. > > After all this time, eh? What does that say about the track and/or me? > > Mark Dunno. But I suspect it's a track that's improved with age, because when I finally bought CM on cd earlier this year, FTN had suddenly become a stand-out track for me. I've just found my previous email when I posed a similar question... "So what do you reckon - is this because it's one of the CM tracks closest to Pink Flag and therefore closer linked to their current manifesto? Or is just because - with it's PF on steroids riff, great whoopy noises and Syd-like chorus - it's a bloody brilliant track!!" K. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #332 *******************************