From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #324 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, November 8 2004 Volume 07 : Number 324 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] OT: Unites States of Canada / Jesusland ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] Election 2004 ["Glenn & Cecile" ] Re: [idealcopy] HMmmmmmmmmmmmm......... [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] Re: Elephant With A Stick of Rhubarb !!! butthole surfers... [Eardrumbuz@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] RE: The Road ahead is quiteuncertain...Interpol [Eardrumb] Re: [idealcopy] HMmmmmmmmmmmmm......... [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] in a word....... [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] HMmmmmmmmmmmmm......... [fernando ] Re: [idealcopy] in a word....... [Ari ] [idealcopy] Githead [eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang)] [idealcopy] Punk............. [Ari ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:10:51 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Unites States of Canada / Jesusland This concept is exploding all over the net and looks set to become common discourse! A map is attached. http://www.urbanvancouver.com/node/view/1358 another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:19:23 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: The Road ahead is quiteuncertain...Interpol - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rex Broome > Now that I think about it this nonsense dates back to INXS, whose name > should clearly have been pronounced 'eye en ex ess". > > -Rex I redmember in the early 80s there was a band over here (UK) who decided to have a weird squiggle for a name. I can't remember if they ascribed any phonetic representation to it, but they were killed by the music press (or Sounds,at least) deciding to refer to them as Elephant With A Stick of Rhubarb. Ian B (disappointed that aside from half an hour of talking heads (including football pundit Alan Hansen for crying out loud) the Peel tribute last night was no more than a repeat of a documentary from a few years ago). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:55:51 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: The Road ahead is quiteuncertain...Interpol In a message dated 07/11/2004 12:38:06 GMT Standard Time, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: I redmember in the early 80s there was a band over here (UK) who decided to have a weird squiggle for a name. I can't remember if they ascribed any phonetic representation to it, but they were killed by the music press (or Sounds,at least) deciding to refer to them as Elephant With A Stick of Rhubarb. //////this lot wanted you to call them "freur" , they then had the good sense to stop being silly and become underworld. Ian B (disappointed that aside from half an hour of talking heads (including football pundit Alan Hansen for crying out loud) the Peel tribute last night was no more than a repeat of a documentary from a few years ago). ///////well it was nice to see some old footage , but all a bit cobbled together really. i liked the film of emperor rosko.......p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:52:00 -0000 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: The Road ahead is quiteuncertain...Interpol You forgot XTC... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rex Broome >> Now that I think about it this nonsense dates back to INXS, whose name >> should clearly have been pronounced 'eye en ex ess".ago). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:19:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HMmmmmmmmmmmmm......... Ari, Can anything be done about this? I have followed this closely since Tuesday. Would Kerry ever challenge the results? Billy --- Ari wrote: > Kerry WON? > http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php > > International observers: > http://tinyurl.com/4tgva > http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/03/russianobserver.shtml > > Nice graphic: > http://img103.exs.cx/img103/4526/exit_poll.gif > > Votergate the movie: > http://snipurl.com/aevh > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:31:40 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HMmmmmmmmmmmmm......... From the Tom Paine article... "So what's going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask, "Who did you vote for?" Unfortunately, they don't ask the crucial, question, "Was your vote counted?" The voters don't know." The problem with this statement is that of what the voters said and the voters did. If they stand next to someone when asked, they may say Kerry cuz it is the right thing to say in front of others -- for a number of people that were indicisive until the end, I can see this happening. This is why we do not elect anybody by polls, people are not truthful when answering polls. The polls are accurate on the answer, but the source of the answer can be faulty. Yes, there is a discrepancy between the exit polls and the actual vote count. That is a fact. Anything else that I read goes a bit into statistics-of-benefit that both parties use to make their case. cheers! - -fernando On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:05:02 -0800 (PST), Ari wrote: > Kerry WON? > http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php > > International observers: > http://tinyurl.com/4tgva > http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/03/russianobserver.shtml > > Nice graphic: > http://img103.exs.cx/img103/4526/exit_poll.gif > > Votergate the movie: > http://snipurl.com/aevh > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:32:29 +0200 From: "Glenn & Cecile" Subject: [idealcopy] Election 2004 Hi folks I know that this site is notionally devoted to lovers of music created by 4 individuals, usually in a collective capacity, but that events over the last week have taken precedence on this board. Many self-confessed "lurkers" have stated and rationalised allegiances. Personally, I think this is good. Without being facetious, I have a few questions for the people who voted for Bush: Why do so many non-US citizens feel such a degree of concern in an election, which for all intents and purposes doesn't concern them ? (Does it?) Do you wonder why the Bush Administration, (and by implication), the USA is regarded with suspicion, (if not downright hostility), by large swathes of the globe ? How would the citizens of the USA feel, if for example, their electoral procedure were placed under the kind of spotlight demanded of nations such as Zimbabwe ? Would they accept the interpretations of international observers ? Just curious Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:27:35 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HMmmmmmmmmmmmm......... Monochromatic Man wrote: > Ari, > Can anything be done about this? I have followed this > closely since Tuesday. Would Kerry ever challenge the > results? > I don't believe so - Kerry conceded the election, so that, basically, is that. Any recounts would be purely academic at this point, if I understand my country's politics correctly. (And, that's not necessarily a given!!!! (^_^)) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:38:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] in a word....... - - Monochromatic Man wrote: >>Ari, Can anything be done about this? I have followed this closely since Tuesday. Would Kerry ever challenge the results? Billy<< In a word,no,Kerry and Bush were in the same secret society together at school (the skull and bones) I have NO doubt that Kerry handed Bush the election on a plate,with a 'nod and a wink'.Which is why I think we've all been hoodwinked.as I said on my post to the list,it's time to stop this ruler-elite monopoly that is only interested in keeping each other in power. democracy indeed!A __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:07:50 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Elephant With A Stick of Rhubarb !!! butthole surfers... In a message dated 11/7/04 7:38:06 AM, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: << ----- Original Message ----- From: Rex Broome > Now that I think about it this nonsense dates back to INXS, whose name > should clearly have been pronounced 'eye en ex ess". > > -Rex I redmember in the early 80s there was a band over here (UK) who decided to have a weird squiggle for a name. I can't remember if they ascribed any phonetic representation to it, but they were killed by the music press (or Sounds,at least) deciding to refer to them as Elephant With A Stick of Rhubarb. >> i forget, is it hairway to steven or locust abortion technician with all the little pictures instead of titles? now that was classic! - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:11:38 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: The Road ahead is quiteuncertain...Interpol In a message dated 11/7/04 10:26:26 AM, xerif@dsl.pipex.com writes: << You forgot XTC... >> but that is pronounced ex tee cee. i think they'd be included if they insisted on being call ecstasy. oh yeah, and i like !!! a lot. sorta the happy mondays of the new new york scene? and they don't insist on being called anything specific, just three repeated words/sounds. so really, they could be called yeah yeah yeah! how confusing would that be? - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:30:25 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HMmmmmmmmmmmmm......... In a message dated 11/7/04 2:33:33 PM, wordstains@gmail.com writes: << The problem with this statement is that of what the voters said and the voters did. If they stand next to someone when asked, they may say Kerry cuz it is the right thing to say in front of others -- for a number of people that were indicisive until the end, I can see this happening. This is why we do not elect anybody by polls, people are not truthful when answering polls. >> the cnn commentators made some remarks to that effect on election night. the more i hear about discrepancies though, the more likely i am to believe that the results came from wrong-doing of some kind. why would these exit polls be so consistently off, always seeming to go for kerry, only to have the machine count go for bush instead? why are so many of the discrepancies from one type of machine (optical scan)? nowhere have i seen one that went in favor of kerry. why are the problems arising in the two key swing states (fl and oh)? okay, i can probably answer the last one myself...ohio and florida are the states being looked at most closely, so it only makes sense that something will pop up there. hmmmmmmmmm, paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:34:51 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in a word....... In a message dated 11/7/04 3:50:19 PM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: << Kerry handed Bush the election on a plate,with a 'nod and a wink' >> i dunno. doesn't that seem more far-fetched than machine tampering? i'm trying to believe that one first. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:45:41 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HMmmmmmmmmmmmm......... Yes, why the "measurement bias"... there was one aspect mentioned, which was actually opposite as to what happened: republicans vote earlier in the day, and democrats later. So, the exit polls released at 1pm (as many we saw) would be biased towards the republicans. Strange. I am sure that things ran afoul somewhere to some extent. The exit polls can be used as a reason to investigate, but not as a proof of something having gone wrong. That is how I would proceed. A consistent bias means that there is some skew in the way that it got taken... may be democrats were more easy to interview than the republicans -- definitely the anti-bush people here have been more vocal. So, my point is that the exit polls point to some investigation, but do not prove anything, except that they are taken wrong (statistically speaking), if the vote investigation validates the election result through some strong correlation. cheers! - -fernando On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:30:25 EST, eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/7/04 2:33:33 PM, wordstains@gmail.com writes: > > << The problem with this statement is that of what the voters said and > the voters did. If they stand next to someone when asked, they may say > Kerry cuz it is the right thing to say in front of others -- for a > number of people that were indicisive until the end, I can see this > happening. This is why we do not elect anybody by polls, people are > not truthful when answering polls. >> > > the cnn commentators made some remarks to that effect on election night. the > more i hear about discrepancies though, the more likely i am to believe that > the results came from wrong-doing of some kind. why would these exit polls be > so consistently off, always seeming to go for kerry, only to have the machine > count go for bush instead? why are so many of the discrepancies from one type > of machine (optical scan)? nowhere have i seen one that went in favor of kerry. > why are the problems arising in the two key swing states (fl and oh)? okay, i > can probably answer the last one myself...ohio and florida are the states > being looked at most closely, so it only makes sense that something will pop up > there. > > hmmmmmmmmm, > > paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:37:05 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in a word....... In a message dated 11/7/04 3:50:19 PM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com/Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: << Kerry handed Bush the election on a plate,with a 'nod and a wink' >> >>i dunno. doesn't that seem more far-fetched than machine tampering? i'm trying to believe that one first.<< I dunno,why would he 'give up' BEFORE all the votes were counted when Edwards had repeated only a couple hours beforhand that they WOULDN'T concede 'till all the votes were counted,could Bush have 'had' something on Kerry (a-la'J.Edgar.Hoover')?shall we ever know just what the secret society they both belonged to really was?and what they had to promise/pledge to join? it all seems a bit cloak and dagger to me.but then what do I know? (did I say that?) Ari n.p :Arvo Part:Passio __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:58:04 -0800 From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: [idealcopy] Githead Finally got around to hearing this and I have to say I like it a lot. Been on heavy rotation this weekend. Favorite track is 'Craft is Dead' with Malka doing some of the vocals. Great stuff. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 00:54:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Punk............. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/A791336 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #324 *******************************