From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #318 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, November 4 2004 Volume 07 : Number 318 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] It's all in the brochure [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] The road ahead is quite uncertain... [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] OT: For US-based IC-ers: a last-ditch plea....... ["Paul Ye" ] Re: [idealcopy] The road ahead is quite uncertain... [Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] It's all in the brochure Some more history... a bit more recent this time... http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/ Scroll down to the end of the page & click on box marked 2 to see the remainder. Click on images to enlarge 'em... Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:00:13 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's all in the brochure Haha... Graham wearing a pair of pints - excellent! Shame though they seem a bit greyish (the photos that is). Bart > Some more history... a bit more recent this time... > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/ > > Scroll down to the end of the page & click on box > marked 2 to see the remainder. Click on images to > enlarge 'em... > > Fergus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:00:09 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Theo van Gogh killed I saw a brief report on this story, courtesy of 'Newsnight' last night. It's bad news , alright. What's that about "I may disagree with what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it"? OK, it may get a tad contentious when you get into whether or not those encouraging hatecrimes *should* be availed of unrestricted free speech, but largely we're better off with it in principal. Then if someone's clearly talking garbage, the proper response is to destroy their arguments with reasoned responses. It is *absolutely* not to go and gun that person down. The best response (after nailing the S.O.B. who did this) is to examine Theo's work, and evaluate the truth therein. Jan Noorda wrote: I have to write down this terrible news. Theo van Gogh, dutch cineast killed this morning by a man in jalabah and long beard. Theo recently did made a movie about a human rights of Islamic women. It is terrible to be killed anyway. But definetely because you have other ideas and thought. I think this is a very black day for the Netherlands Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:48:19 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] The road ahead is quite uncertain... Now that the Global Village Idiot with the gormless grin will be with us for another 1,460 days, I declare today, Nov 3rd, an International Day of Mourning. *sigh* God help us all.... Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:32:30 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The road ahead is quite uncertain... In a message dated 03/11/2004 18:15:40 GMT Standard Time, lockupyourhats@yahoo.com writes: Now that the Global Village Idiot with the gormless grin will be with us for another 1,460 days, I declare today, Nov 3rd, an International Day of Mourning. *sigh* God help us all.... Oh how true Fergus ...How True. My condolences to all Americans 7 especially listees ! It's not all bad though.Nov 3rd is my wife's birthday & we have eaten a Chinese meal & drank 2 bottles of wine. Chris - Still finding Peelies death a sobering thought. NP.Coil - Music To Play In The Dark 1 & 2 Next Guided By Voices - Half Smiles Of The Decomposed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:40:36 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Fuck:,George wins.................. I hope you all stand behind our president,it'll be easier to push him over a cliff if we do.............welcome to the united church of america,oh boy,what did we do to deserve this?now i'm really depressed.Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:30:03 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] T*ny P**sons It came out on 7 inch back in the summer and got a rave review from the Observer music magazine which is what drew it to my attention. It's a poppy number from a London duo. The lyrics are somewhat indistinct unfortunately but the title is repeated regularly I'm pleased to say. One of the year's better singles that I've heard and a great line. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:tim@kidsindestructible.com] Sent: 03 November 2004 02:37 To: Keith Knight Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] T*ny P**sons Keith Knight wrote: > > Tim wrote > > n.p. Shitmat - 'Theres No Business Like Propa' Rungleclotted Mashup > Business' (Song title of the year without question) > > > ----------------------------- > Hmm, but I'm very fond of 'You are the Generation that Bought More Shoes > and You Get What You Deserve' by Johnny Boy, which is also a pretty good > single. > > Another the Keith > > Great! Tell me more! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:48:41 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The road ahead is quite uncertain... On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 05:32:30PM -0500, CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > Chris - Still finding Peelies death a sobering thought. My show tonight was emailed plenty of times by people requesting anti-Bush songs... - - A (as a mutual friend / it was difficult to pretend / that I was anything less than concerned) - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:07:49 -0700 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: For US-based IC-ers: a last-ditch plea....... Derek, I really don't see what this has do to with President Bush. Seeing is how it was your prime minister Tony Blair who sent your boys to Iraq not my president. You really should feel guilt about writing me in my country about a problem that exists in yours. Yes it is true that many in America share your concerns about the American president sending our boys to Iraq. Don't forget that the man you asked me to vote for voted in the Senate to send these same American boys to Iraq. I know that the majority of the ICers that are the most vocal, are Kerry supporters. I am sure I will get a slew of anti Bush responses to this. But there is a real trend happening in the US right now. Opinions aside, the government is becoming more and more republican. Senator Tom Daschle who called President Bush a "miserable failure" was beaten yesterday by a republican. The house and senate is more lopsided by republicans now than I ever remember. When Bill Clinton was re-elected I thought to myself what a horrible state we are in and I can't bear it any longer. He did a descent job on most issues and was not a bad president after all. This probably will be the case for the next 4 years. It is not that bad. Michael Moore will have a heart attach and Ted Kennedy will drink himself into oblivion but in the end, Moore will continue to make hateful films and get a ton of money for it and Kennedy will live and die a powerful rich rich man. I don't see a basis for all the Bush hate. Yes, it is true that he is not the best president. But it really isn's that bad. I got a huge tax refund twice. I will never argue will cold cash in the wallet. Now, lets talk about music. I am pretty excited for Peter Hook's Revenge live album due out in the spring. I really thought Revenge was a good project. Paul OT: For US-based IC-ers: a last-ditch plea....... The other week, someone sent me a link to the Guardian "Write a letter to a floating voter in a swing state" campaign. I declined to join in, partly because I can imagine how I'd feel if I got a missive from a complete stranger in a foreign land telling ME how to vote. HOWEVER, for any of you who may be 'undecided' at this time, indulge me............ I'd like to make a plea on the following rational grounds, that you vote Bush OUT of office............ I have a son, now aged 22. I haven't seen him in a while, but you know how kids are once they've left the nest. Fact is, I saw very little of him after me & his mother split up, and put some miles and several obstacles in the way of regular contact. Mostly under her malign influence, and limited employment prospects in the backwater he found himself in, to my abject horror, he joined the British Army. By the time I knew what was happening, he'd done the deed and signed up. A 'fait accomplis', if you like. I was even more horrified, when I got a text message off him, some months back. He was in Iraq, with all that that entails. Although he's since returned to the UK, if things go on as they are doing at the moment, he's going to have to go back and do another tour of duty there. And another. And maybe another. Get the picture? The thing is, I really don't see why MY boy, in common with so many other young men and women, should be in Iraq, basically so Mr Bush's cohort of Texan oil barons, or Mr Cheney's friends at Halle-Burton, or Bechtel (?) or any number of other 'special interests' can enrich themselves over the corpses of our boys, girls and Iraqi civilians. And the only way this can change, is if Bush gets kicked OUT of office. Otherwise it'll be more of the same. I know it may be cheeky for a brit like me to stick his beak into your politics, but it DOES affect me. And, I can make the tenuous claim that, electronically speaking, I do know you. Don't have my boy come home in installments, or wearing a smouldering hole in his head. VOTE KERRY?? Derek _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:21:31 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The road ahead is quite uncertain... > NP.Coil - Music To Play In The Dark 1 & 2 Hmmm, not bad... > Next Guided By Voices - Half Smiles Of The Decomposed But now you're really making sense! :-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:53:19 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: For US-based IC-ers: a last-ditch plea....... On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 07:07:49PM -0700, Paul Ye wrote: > You really should feel guilt about writing me in my country > about a problem that exists in yours. It is exactly this attitude which is the problem, and why the US now appears to be incapable of being a good international neighbour. Kyoto Treaty, anyone? - - A - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 10pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #318 *******************************