From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #317 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, November 3 2004 Volume 07 : Number 317 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] [OT] Theo van Gogh killed [Jan Noorda ] Re: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons ["j.hobson" ] Re: [idealcopy] From the vaults... [Derek White ] [idealcopy] OT: For US-based IC-ers: a last-ditch plea....... [Derek Whit] Re: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] From the vaults... [Tim ] RE: [idealcopy] T*ny P**sons ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] From the vaults... [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 03:26:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Theo van Gogh killed I have to write down this terrible news. Theo van Gogh, dutch cineast killed this morning by a man in jalabah and long beard. Theo recently did made a movie about a human rights of Islamic women. It is terrible to be killed anyway. But definetely because you have other ideas and thought. I think this is a very black day for the Netherlands Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:56:40 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons > I assume somewhere, in some publication I don't have access to, Julie is > dusting off her attack on Peel from a few years back which, IIRC, > largely concentrated on him calling his wife 'the Pig' and playing > smelly music that only boys like. Speak of the devil! http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,321755,00.html > I usually like Burchill - who definitely has an intellect, albeit one > she's prepared to leave at the door - but she was way offbeam that time. > I didn't mind Parsons on The Late Review either when he did that, but > his work for the Mirror (from the little I've seen of it) is usually > designed to provoke. No matter how dodgy some of her views are I think Burchill is - or at least was - a great writer (though I discount her novels from this assertion). I've read similar anti-Peel articles from JB in the past, and when it comes to his young girl thing, she definitely has a point. No-one would get away with that schoolgirl stuff nowadays. K. np susumo yokota - the boy and the tree ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:41:24 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] From the vaults... ...some old photos of mine I unearthed of ACR in Dublin in '82...probably my first gig photos if I remember correctly.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/ Scroll down the page and click on the box marked 2 to see the remainder... click on images to enlarge 'em... Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:09:07 -0000 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons One thing I would agree about with Parsons is that Tony Blackburn probably was the only other Radio 1 DJ who actually liked what he played. For some reason they loathed each other although having met Tone he is actually a friendly chap: I wasn't surprised he won the 'Get me out of here' thing. I read quite recently that Tone wanted to bury the hatchet with Peely so it clearly troubled him. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:26:47 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] From the vaults... Some good work, there, Fergus. Nice one. Fergus Kelly wrote:...some old photos of mine I unearthed of ACR in Dublin in '82...probably my first gig photos if I remember correctly.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/ Scroll down the page and click on the box marked 2 to see the remainder... click on images to enlarge 'em... Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:56:32 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: [idealcopy] OT: For US-based IC-ers: a last-ditch plea....... The other week, someone sent me a link to the Guardian "Write a letter to a floating voter in a swing state" campaign. I declined to join in, partly because I can imagine how I'd feel if I got a missive from a complete stranger in a foreign land telling ME how to vote. HOWEVER, for any of you who may be 'undecided' at this time, indulge me............ I'd like to make a plea on the following rational grounds, that you vote Bush OUT of office............ I have a son, now aged 22. I haven't seen him in a while, but you know how kids are once they've left the nest. Fact is, I saw very little of him after me & his mother split up, and put some miles and several obstacles in the way of regular contact. Mostly under her malign influence, and limited employment prospects in the backwater he found himself in, to my abject horror, he joined the British Army. By the time I knew what was happening, he'd done the deed and signed up. A 'fait accomplis', if you like. I was even more horrified, when I got a text message off him, some months back. He was in Iraq, with all that that entails. Although he's since returned to the UK, if things go on as they are doing at the moment, he's going to have to go back and do another tour of duty there. And another. And maybe another. Get the picture? The thing is, I really don't see why MY boy, in common with so many other young men and women, should be in Iraq, basically so Mr Bush's cohort of Texan oil barons, or Mr Cheney's friends at Halle-Burton, or Bechtel (?) or any number of other 'special interests' can enrich themselves over the corpses of our boys, girls and Iraqi civilians. And the only way this can change, is if Bush gets kicked OUT of office. Otherwise it'll be more of the same. I know it may be cheeky for a brit like me to stick his beak into your politics, but it DOES affect me. And, I can make the tenuous claim that, electronically speaking, I do know you. Don't have my boy come home in installments, or wearing a smouldering hole in his head. VOTE KERRY?? Derek Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:13:18 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons I just read on another list a copy of an email that a susbcriber has sent to Tony Parsons. Thought it worthy of sharing with you! Dear Tony, I am writig to tell you that whilst you have always been a complete wanker, your article about John Peel in the Daily Mirror plumbed new depths of jealous tosserdom. To deal with a few of your points one by one: 1. With the one exception of T.Rex, John Peel did not automatically abandon bands once they became famous, only once they became shit. If he was an obscurantist snob with a condescending attitude towards anything popular, why did he continue to play the Smiths, Happy Mondays, Nirvana and the White Stripes long after they charted? 2. You state that a listener would never hear the Clash on Peel's show. This is incorrect. Their career was given a hefty boost by his continual plugging of their debut album, without which they might have been no more commercially successful than ATV. Not that this matters as the Clash were shit. What legacy have they bequeathed us in the 21st century? The Manic Street Preachers. Enough said. 3. There are two very good reasons why Peel stopped playing Rod Stewart once he started making millions and shagging models. One - daytime radio started plugging Rod's singles to death from "Sailing" onwards so there was no need for further exposure on a late-night underground show. Two - the lazy, talent-betraying tosser hasn't made even a half-decent record since 1975. 4. You state that John Peel never played soul music. This is also entirely incorrect. I first heard Otis Redding on his show, and began investigating Stax and Motown as a result. 5. Nobody is trying to turn Peelie into the Lady DI of pop. Why would anyone want to? Lady DI was a vacuous, dizzy tart whose contribution to society was zero, other than giving millions of pent-up, frustrated people a chance to express their emotions for once. 6. Tony Blackburn's passion for music may indeed have been genuine, and he mey indeed have played a lot of great soul records, but nothing will ever excuse the awful comedy skits like Arnold the dog which cluttered up his show. The one and only time TB was ever genuinely funny was on that bonkers comedy version of "You Don't Bring Me Flowers" that he recorded with Peel. Moreover, setting the two of them up against each other is fatuous as their shows were aimed at different markets and they were mates who felt no rivalry twoards each other whatsoever. I doubt if even Blackburen would approve of you dissing a friend and former colleague so soon after his death. 7. I shagged one of your exes, and she said you had a cock the size of a baby's, only smaller. You are a jealous, social-climbing charlatan who has made a career out of taking potshots at those with more talent than yourself (Lester Bangs being another example which springs to mind). "The Boy Looked At Johnny" is a dated, over-written piece of speedfreak drivel which means less than zero to anyone who wasn't there at the time. I don't know why you don't get back together with Lardass Burchill - if there was ever a couple who deserved each other, it's you two. I await your reply with interest. I'm not sure he's gonna reply to that to be honest! Keith np Outdoor Miner tribute album - ----- Original Message ----- From: j.hobson To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons > One thing I would agree about with Parsons is that Tony Blackburn probably > was the only other Radio 1 DJ who actually liked what he played. For some > reason they loathed each other although having met Tone he is actually a > friendly chap: I wasn't surprised he won the 'Get me out of here' thing. I > read quite recently that Tone wanted to bury the hatchet with Peely so it > clearly troubled him. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 02:36:51 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] T*ny P**sons Keith Knight wrote: > > Tim wrote > > n.p. Shitmat - 'Theres No Business Like Propa' Rungleclotted Mashup > Business' (Song title of the year without question) > > > ----------------------------- > Hmm, but I'm very fond of 'You are the Generation that Bought More Shoes > and You Get What You Deserve' by Johnny Boy, which is also a pretty good > single. > > Another the Keith > > Great! Tell me more! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 02:23:52 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] From the vaults... Fergus Kelly wrote: 'They're playing fookin' Jazz' as Rob Gretton probably never said (although Paddy Considine as RG did in "24 hour party people"). Cool stuff Fergus. > ...some old photos of mine I unearthed of ACR in > Dublin in '82...probably my first gig photos if I > remember correctly.... > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/ > > Scroll down the page and click on the box marked 2 to > see the remainder... click on images to enlarge 'em... > > Fergus > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 00:09:07 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] T*ny P**sons Tim wrote n.p. Shitmat - 'Theres No Business Like Propa' Rungleclotted Mashup Business' (Song title of the year without question) - ----------------------------- Hmm, but I'm very fond of 'You are the Generation that Bought More Shoes and You Get What You Deserve' by Johnny Boy, which is also a pretty good single. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:21:50 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] From the vaults... Early ACR!! Nice ones Fergus! Love the triangle-pose ;-) Bart > ...some old photos of mine I unearthed of ACR in > Dublin in '82...probably my first gig photos if I > remember correctly.... > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #317 *******************************