From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #316 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, November 2 2004 Volume 07 : Number 316 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Tony Parsons ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] It's Beginning To And Back Again ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] It's Beginning To And Back Again [Rex Broome ] [idealcopy] Christine Kane is..... [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] T*ny P**sons [Tim ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:15:45 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons Julie's ex has a pop at Peelie! (FWIW I think he does make a couple of valid points - IMO Blackburn was = actually good at what he did whether you like him/it or not (and = Blackburn rated Peel as a DJ, too) - but they're virtually lost in that = pathetic lets-make-big-statements-and-generalise-for effect tabloid = speak. Obviously TP is only in touch with his feminine side when there's = a profitable nvel to write!!) http://www.mirror.co.uk/columnists/tonyparsons/ [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Mirror.co.uk - Tony Parsons.url] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 07:03:53 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons what a rambling load of old toss that piece is , i.e right down to TP's usual standard. the usual pathetic prattling from the guy who rated TRB as the greatest act of the punk era , thus setting a standard of critical judgment he's consistently maintained through the decades. how sad it is that from that era of NME journalism it's him who's ended up laughing all the way to the bank. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:41:54 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's Beginning To And Back Again > As you say, German Shepherds is brilliant. One of my very fave Wire tracks. > > > Though the 'censored' Peel session version is far superior... > > Mark Yeah I think so, too - though I'm always suspicious of the fact that I almost always like the first version I heard best. Am I alone here - Is it cos they're better, or because you heard it first? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:51:08 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] mark said.....Ivor Cutler. Yeah, I *think* those three are all on Virgin records, IIRC:- these are (apparently) the easiest to get hold of, as they were re-released a few years ago 97?) which I don't think is the fate of some of the others. Who said so? Ivor himself, when interveiwed after a live session for Andy Kerhaw's prog back then, in which he did IIRC: "Life in a scots sittingroom, part xx", "Shoplifters" and "Glasgow , Glasgow, where are you : (to which the answer is, apparently "a Number 11 from Troon" ..), and finally "Gruts for tea" . Have fun. Although don't expect universal appreciation of the guy's work among your social circle........;-) Derek PS After last weeks sad occurence, I rooted out my VHS tape of 'Peel Night', which the Beeb transmitted on the lad's 60th birthday. The first part of which was a documentary with footage of the great man at work at Peel Acres, and interveiws with people who've been on his show. And lo, Ivor Cutler was one of the interveiwees. Sat at his harmonium, for some reason filmed atop a roof somewhere. Maybe a Beatles / Let it Be reference: who knows. (He did, after all, show up in 'Magical Mystery Tour, IIRC) Keith Knight wrote: st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I was in Fopp before I read this Derek and bought Velvet Donkey  Chris will be pleased to hear that Go and Sit Upon the Grass is on it. Dandruff was there though, as was Jammy Smears. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: Derek White [mailto:zak_blakk@yahoo.com] Keith Knight wrote: There is, really, no-one who can replace him which is why we mourn. There are three Ivor Cutler albums on sale for a fiver each at Fopp at present and I think I'll buy one at the weekend as a tribute. >>> If one of them is "Dandruff", get that (the CD, that is): next most recommended is "Velvet Donkey". Daft as the proverbial brush, the pair of them. :-) However, my favourite album *title* in the I.C. canon has to be "Cockadoodledon't"..... Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:53:07 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Chris & Cosey on Resonance FM anyone care to burn a cd-r of this? Ari?? RL CARTER TUTTI LIVE SESSION ON RESONANCE FM London based RESONANCE FM will be broadcasting a live session by CARTER TUTTI on Monday November 01. The exclusive performance will be at approximately 8:30 pm (GMT). The station is available on FM radio within a 5 mile radius of London and also as an audio stream worldwide via the RESONANCE FM web site. Go here for more info http://www.cartertutti.com/ and here of course http://www.resonancefm.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:34:56 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: what a rambling load of old toss that piece is , i.e right down to TP's usual standard. the usual pathetic prattling from the guy who rated TRB as the greatest act of the punk era ,... You know, I'd completely forgotten about *that* rather ludicrous assertion ! Gawd, what a jerk Parsons is. As you say, it's well down to his usual standard: find the way the prevailing mood is flowing, then row your leaking journalistic canoe like stink in the diametrically opposite direction, and if you can have snide swipes at some object of public affection for shock effect , do it. >> thus setting a standard of critical judgment he's consistently maintained through the decades. how sad it is that from that era of NME journalism it's him who's ended up laughing all the way to the bank. p When you consider he was writing when the NME was employing the likes of Nick Kent, Charles Shaar Murray et al, it is truly lamentable that this wee pipsqueak is prospering, all by dint of his ability to conjure a bile-flecked piece of jaundiced prose. It's factually innacurate, anyhow. I definitely recall Peel *did* play the Clash. He *even* played a couple of tracks from "Give'em enough rope", which he didn't much care for. I recall this, because I heard him lament the fact it had been so long in the making, for a disk that he thought was a pallid follow-up. Perhaps Parsons means they never did a session ? Him and la Birchill really deserved each other........ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:08:57 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It's Beginning To And Back Again First Wire record I heard in its entirety as well, on a cassette I dubbed from my neighbor in the freshman dorms. Seconds after it "finished" I flipped the tape over and heard "A Bell Is a Cup", though. Said neighbor was an Orange County kid who was big on Depeche Mode and had Wire basically because they were on the bill at some giant DM concert with New Order (I think the same show referred to at the beginning of the liner notes to "On Returning"); they seemed awfully arty for him (as in, went through his records and was surprised to find something I actually wanted to hear). Years later I would end up recording music with this guys and earlier this year I fired him. The album does remain a favorite. Oddly I would cycle through the entirety of Wire Mark I's repertoire before ever hearing The Ideal Copy, which I probably rate higher on its own merits but doesn't carry the nostalgic hit of IBTABA and ABIACUIIS. - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:47:26 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chris & Cosey on Resonance FM O.K Boss........... - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > anyone care to burn a cd-r of this? Ari?? > RL > > > CARTER TUTTI LIVE SESSION ON RESONANCE FM > London based RESONANCE FM will be broadcasting a > live session by CARTER > TUTTI on Monday November 01. The exclusive > performance will be at > approximately 8:30 pm (GMT). The station is > available on FM radio within a 5 > mile radius of London and also as an audio stream > worldwide via the > RESONANCE FM web site. > > Go here for more info > > http://www.cartertutti.com/ and here of course > http://www.resonancefm.com/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:59:52 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons In a message dated 01/11/2004 17:41:50 GMT Standard Time, zak_blakk@yahoo.com writes: Him and la Birchill really deserved each other........ ////you know i actually think JB has an intellect behind the shock tactics , whereas TP just seems like a brainless attention seeker. that's not to say i'd like to be stuck in a lift with either , mind....... p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:04:16 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons I assume somewhere, in some publication I don't have access to, Julie is dusting off her attack on Peel from a few years back which, IIRC, largely concentrated on him calling his wife 'the Pig' and playing smelly music that only boys like. I usually like Burchill - who definitely has an intellect, albeit one she's prepared to leave at the door - but she was way offbeam that time. I didn't mind Parsons on The Late Review either when he did that, but his work for the Mirror (from the little I've seen of it) is usually designed to provoke. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com Sent: 01 November 2004 20:00 To: zak_blakk@yahoo.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tony Parsons In a message dated 01/11/2004 17:41:50 GMT Standard Time, zak_blakk@yahoo.com writes: Him and la Birchill really deserved each other........ ////you know i actually think JB has an intellect behind the shock tactics , whereas TP just seems like a brainless attention seeker. that's not to say i'd like to be stuck in a lift with either , mind....... p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:08:10 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Christine Kane is..... Touring again,for those of you that like folk-rock with a bit of humor and politics,go see her.Ari 11/5 & 10/6 - Denver, CO Swallow Hill Music (performance & workshop) 303.777.1003 or www.swallowhill.com 11/11-13 - Charlotte, NC NC Dance Theater www.ncdance.org or 704.372.0101 11/19 - New Bern, NC Trent River Coffee Co. 252.504.ARTS or www.downeastfolkarts.org 11/20 - Beaufort, NC Clawson's Restaurant 252.504.ARTS or www.downeastfolkarts.org 11/27 - Asheville, NC Grey Eagle Tavern and Music Hall 828.232.5800 or www.greyeaglemusic.com 12/2 - Fort Smith, AR 801 Concert Series SOLD OUT! 12/3 - Oklahoma City, OK the Blue Door 405.524.0738 or www.bluedoorokc.com 12/4 - Decatur, GA Eddie's Attic 404.377.4976 or www.eddiesattic.com 12/9 - St. Augustine, FL Cafe Eleven 904.460.9311 or www.cafeeleven.com 12/10 - Tampa, FL Catherine Hickman Theater 12/11 - Homestead, FL Main Street Cafe 305.245.7575 or www.mainstreetcafe.net 12/12 - Plantation, FL House Concert 954.382.2924 or email flsunshein@aol.com 1/8/05 - Southboro, MA Steeple Coffeehouse 508.481.7163 or http://fusf.org/steeple 1/9/05 - Newburyport, MA Firehouse Center for the Arts www.firehousecenter.com 1/13/05 - Houston, TX McGonigel's Mucky Duck 713.528.5999 or www.mcgonigels.com 1/14/05 - Austin, TX Live Oak Coffeehouse 512.219.9008 or www.liveoakuu.org/coffee 1/28/05 - Steven's Point, WI Clark Place 715.343.1530 or www.clarkplace.com 1/29/04 - Madison, WI Madison Folk Society (more info to come!) 2/11/05 - Salt Lake City, UT IAMA (at Social Work Auditorium, Univ. of Utah) www.xmission.com/~iama 2/25/05 - Chicago, IL The Old Town School of Folk (more info to come) 3/1/05 - Springfield, MO Drury University 417.873.7809 3/5/05 - Chicago, IL The Midnight Special www.midnightspecial.org 3/10/05 - Birmingham, AL The Troubadour Series 205.380.4082 or www.maerobertson.com 3/11/05 - Auburn, AL Sundilla www.sundilla.org 4/5/05 - Ojai, CA Folk Music In Ojai www.billyates.com/ojaifolk 4/6/05 - Las Vegas, NV Cagey Concepts (more info to come) 4/15/05 - Winston-Salem, NC Fiddle & Bow www.fiddleandbow.org 8/19/05 - Jonesboro, TN Music on the Square www.musiconthesquare.com Christine Kane __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:51:22 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] T*ny P**sons T Parsons (the poor mans Gary Crowley) criticises Peel for *not* playing enough Bruce Springsteen?! Surely Peel deserves a posthumous knighthood for that alone. As for "narrow minded..." well i'd love to have a punt at taking over JPs slot on Radio 1. I could attempt a show right here, with a current mix of scratchy bedroom indie, 200bpm mentalalist dubcore, illbient electronica, The Fall, nice bit of Viv Stanshall or Ivor Cutler etc. But i'd then struggle to add the required dose of 50s doo-wop, skiffle, Eastern-European death metal etc, and I couldn't do the inbetween cosy chats/football talk/anecdotes. Still we'd be fucked if all there was in the world was Parsons and his ilk on the radio, introducing us to rarely heard, criminally ignored acts like The Clash, Bob Marley and James Brown. n.p. Shitmat - 'Theres No Business Like Propa' Rungleclotted Mashup Business' (Song title of the year without question) Keith Astbury wrote: > Julie's ex has a pop at Peelie! > > (FWIW I think he does make a couple of valid points - IMO Blackburn was = > actually good at what he did whether you like him/it or not (and = > Blackburn rated Peel as a DJ, too) - but they're virtually lost in that = > pathetic lets-make-big-statements-and-generalise-for effect tabloid = > speak. Obviously TP is only in touch with his feminine side when there's = > a profitable nvel to write!!) > > http://www.mirror.co.uk/columnists/tonyparsons/ > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Mirror.co.uk - Tony Parsons.url] ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #316 *******************************