From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #312 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, October 29 2004 Volume 07 : Number 312 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] free stuff [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] not U2? ["j.hobson" ] [idealcopy] mark said. [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP ... Mobilise... NOW! ["Uri Baran" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP ... Mobilise... NOW! [Derek White ] [idealcopy] RERe: John Peel RIP(Off topic/Grauzone/Abwartts LP's) [Creatu] Re: [idealcopy] free stuff [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] free stuff [Ari ] [idealcopy] outbushed agin! [Ari ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:44:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] free stuff http://www.espew.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:49:15 +0100 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] not U2? Talk about reducing prostituting yourself for a few measly bucks. The article is pretty clear evidence of the damage of being surrounded by flunkeys and accountants. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: [idealcopy] not U2? > http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news4a.nv?storyid=single3988 > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] mark said. >>Andy Kershaw said Peel was driven to do this because he was "scared of missing something". Is there anybody else in broacasting who shares that attitude? And would a young newcomer understand enough of the context to be able to do the job? Mark<< which is why we need someone older and,preferably in the music trade,not radio,someone like robert smith perhaps,like john he's driven,he's a nice person,he's in the music biz etc.,then there's our own colin,but he'd not want it of course now that wire mk. 3 has taken off,maybe you all can come up with a better proposition,but definitely not a current d.j who's probably too set in his/her ways already..........Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:06:04 -0000 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP ... Mobilise... NOW! There's a third part and that's the availability of music of a quality worth playing. A lot of the people on this list are like me in that they grew up with Peelie at his arguably best ie when there was a surfeit of new unrecorded music about that no one else would play in the late '70's. I would also argue that by Peelie playing the music it inspired more of it and the virtuous circle that was punk/new wave thrived and probably even happened to the degree that it did. We need a John Peel but musical trends are conspiring against us. U. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP ... Mobilise... NOW! > >>But on a serious note, I don't know who is gonna replace him. Steve Lamacq, > that Gonzo guy, etc. They're all lacking. I think they should go with some > newcomer with enthusiasm.<< > > > There are two jobs to do though. One is providing broadcasting to a similar > diversity and quality. That's relatively easy, compared to the second part - > the "impartial 3rd party A&R man" function that involved literally listening > to every demo tape, CD, MP3 or whatever turned up that day. Can't see any of > the current R1 DJs having that level of commitment, dedication or - crucially > - knowledge to be able to do that job, to sort out the original and > innovative from the dross, day in, day out. > > Andy Kershaw said Peel was driven to do this because he was "scared of > missing something". Is there anybody else in broacasting who shares that attitude? > And would a young newcomer understand enough of the context to be able to do > the job? > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:51:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP ... Mobilise... NOW! >>There's a third part and that's the availability of music of a quality worth playing. A lot of the people on this list are like me in that they grew up with Peelie at his arguably best ie when there was a surfeit of new unrecorded music about that no one else would play in the late '70's. I would also argue that by Peelie playing the music it inspired more of it and the virtuous circle that was punk/new wave thrived and probably even happened to the degree that it did. We need a John Peel but musical trends are conspiring against us.<< There's no way I'll buy the argument that there isn't enough excellent new music to fill 6 hours of 'Peelesque' programming a week. And this doesn't factor in the substantial proportion of rubbish that has always formed a part of the Peel playlist! Sure, quite a lot of Peel's territory is now covered by 'genre' shows (or even 'genre' stations), but even Peel's reach didn't extent to all corners of what's available. On top of all that, there's 30 years' worth of music that fell through the cracks despite Peel's sponsorship. Forgotten tracks by forgotten bands that isn't catered for by any DJ on any radio station, anywhere. You could make a case for a complete 'BBC John Peel' radio station given the archive of material (sessions etc) that exists. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:19:25 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] mark said. According to the press, Steve Lamaq and Mary Ann Hobbs will do the show until a replacement is found. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ari To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: [idealcopy] mark said. > >>Andy Kershaw said Peel was driven to do this because > he was "scared of missing something". Is there > anybody else in broacasting who shares that attitude? > > And would a young newcomer understand enough of the > context to be able to do the job? Mark<< > > which is why we need someone older and,preferably in > the music trade,not radio,someone like robert smith > perhaps,like john he's driven,he's a nice person,he's > in the music biz etc.,then there's our own colin,but > he'd not want it of course now that wire mk. 3 has > taken off,maybe you all can come up with a better > proposition,but definitely not a current d.j who's > probably too set in his/her ways already..........Ari > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:15:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] mark said. >>According to the press, Steve Lamaq and Mary Ann Hobbs will do the show until a replacement is found.<< Lamacq did a fine job on Tuesday; Hobbs' show last night was probably closer to a recent Peel show. Neither have played an Ivor Cutler record. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:25:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP "j.hobson" wrote: Andy Kershaw (the real heir apparent: I wonder will R1 have him back?) Mixing It and Late Junction.In many ways they are his legacy that there are people than ever prepared to listen to something else and given the space to play it. Internet Radio is another growing alternative: Radio in some of its genres goes of into peel like tangents. & I replied........ >>> Andy Kershaw probably *is* the heir apparent, but would he wish to step into a time-slot where he's utterly marginalised? From what I saw of an interveiw with AK on the day JP died, I would think not. His irritation at what he perceived as the pressure put on his friend by later and later slots was there for all to see. >> Yer man Kershaw never *quite* had the balance right on his shows for me. Although the mix was eclectic as Peel's, I thought there was a bit *too* much so-called 'world music' in there, myself. Whilst I don't agree either with Tony Wilson's statement of inverted snobbery that said "World music is a w**k for Volvo drivers", I can see what he's driving at (no pun intended!) When listening to music, If there's any lyrics, I'd prefer to understand them, otherwise I could be jiving to *all sorts* of dodgy propositions........and no-one, no matter how cosmopolitan, could learn every obscure African / Sardinian / Tibetan dialect featured during the course of Andy's Radio 1 run. A handful of trax per show is OK, an avalanche thereof, probably not. Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP ... Mobilise... NOW! I agree that the people named are all a *bit* lacking:- who knows- perhaps they would 'grow into' the role, but Mark's point about him being the "impartial 3rd-party A & R man" is absolutely spot on.. It's my impression that the others don't have the ...well, *cynicism* to smile at the A & R person from the majors, thank them for the disks, then put them on *exactly* the same pile as the demo, recently arrived from "The exploding sour yogurt experience" recorded in a damp garage in Haltwhistle. I think that perhaps the 'biz' hold the others in it's thrall too much. One got the impression that Peel was fairly immune to the pluggers. Would the others take the same chances of playing 'fringe' stuff so much? One big advantage that Peelie had , was that through the years, he probably knew his position at the BBC was pretty unnassailable. (at least until the latest slot-shift:- it upsets me to think that *that* could have been the beginning of the end" for him, and he probably knew it) He could more or less get away with playing anything his fancy took:- would a young DJ, only a couple of years into the job feel the same security in his post to be just as .....well, *daring* as he was. ?? I can't see it. But we'll see, I guess. MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >>But on a serious note, I don't know who is gonna replace him. Steve Lamacq, that Gonzo guy, etc. They're all lacking. I think they should go with some newcomer with enthusiasm.<< There are two jobs to do though. One is providing broadcasting to a similar diversity and quality. That's relatively easy, compared to the second part - the "impartial 3rd party A&R man" function that involved literally listening to every demo tape, CD, MP3 or whatever turned up that day. Can't see any of the current R1 DJs having that level of commitment, dedication or - crucially - - knowledge to be able to do that job, to sort out the original and innovative from the dross, day in, day out. Andy Kershaw said Peel was driven to do this because he was "scared of missing something". Is there anybody else in broacasting who shares that attitude? And would a young newcomer understand enough of the context to be able to do the job? Mark Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:03:47 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] mark said. On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 12:19:25PM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > According to the press, Steve Lamaq and Mary Ann Hobbs will do the show > until a replacement is found. It's no Peel Show, but I do really like Mary Ann Hobbs's show, the Breezeblock. Found some really good stuff on there. - - A - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:10:24 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP Well I would agree that Andy Kershaw plays way too much 'world music' for my liking, but I do not have a problem with songs sung in a 'foreign' language. I prefer to hear Brel sung in French and Weill in German. If you take f'rinstance Neubauten's Haus der Luge, it wouldn't have the same impact in an English translation... those ladies on 'Late Junction' do eclectic better than Kershaw A DW wrote > When listening to music, If there's any lyrics, I'd prefer to > understand them, otherwise I could be jiving to *all sorts* > of dodgy propositions........ ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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He was moved to another ward on Thursday due to "the progress he has made so far", according an e-mail sent to subscribers to his website. Almond was injured while he was riding pillion on a motorbike that collided with a car in central London last week. "He still has a long way to go in his recovery," it states. The Soft Cell singer is in the Royal London Hospital. 'Positive news' "I'm sure you will all join us today in breathing a sigh of relief at this positive news," the message adds. Almond had emergency surgery after the accident on 17 October. Fans inundated his website with messages and sent flowers, cards and gifts to the hospital. ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP Fair comment, Alistair. Lest anyone should misunderstand me & think that I'm making some sort of chauvinistic statement that all BBC output should be in English, I'm not. Nor am I such a little Englander to think that all and sundry should provide their songs with an English translation , either, as language is a delicate thing , and sometimes subtle nuances of well-crafted lyrics just will *not* stand up to the sledgehammer of translation, where , most times the rhythm and cadence of the words wouldn't survive being thus mutilated . And I love the energy of that African musical style consisting of almost calypso rhythms, decorated by those high-up-the-guitar-neck double stopped riffs:- I can't understand a word of those songs, either, but the joi de vivre comes shining through nontheless. No, my point was simply one of *balance*, and I thought Andy K's shows had a wee bit *too* much Mongolian throat singing etc for my tastes:- (rich, sonorous and hypnotic though that may be ):- I just thought that perhaps 50 minutes of such globally-derived stuff in a 2-hour show was just a bit too much. I don't say "desist", just "moderate". As my old Grandad might have said " There's a difference between scratching your ar*e, and making it bleed"........;-) [ Yer man Kershaw *DID* play Ivor Cutler, though, and again wthout the late lamented Mr Peel, I'd have never heard of the Scots loony.............] "Go and sit upon the grass and feel your lumps" indeed.............. Alistair Tear wrote: Well I would agree that Andy Kershaw plays way too much 'world music' for my liking, but I do not have a problem with songs sung in a 'foreign' language. I prefer to hear Brel sung in French and Weill in German. A DW wrote > When listening to music, If there's any lyrics, I'd prefer to understand them, otherwise I could be jiving to *all sorts* of dodgy propositions........ Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:26:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Creatured Subject: [idealcopy] RERe: John Peel RIP(Off topic/Grauzone/Abwartts LP's) Since I read about E.Neubautens and me being in the US and speaking of diff languages,does anyone have a copy of Grauzones 1st Lp or the Isbaer 12" and/or Abwarts - Amok Lp that they could copy to cdr and would want to trade for some live show from my list of bootlegs? http://www.angelfire.com/weird/bootlegs Sorry if anyone was bothered by my post. Thanks,Rick - --- Alistair Tear wrote: > Well I would agree that Andy Kershaw plays way > too much 'world music' for my liking, but I do not have > a problem with songs sung in a 'foreign' language. > I prefer to hear Brel sung in French and Weill > in German. If you take f'rinstance Neubauten's > Haus der Luge, it wouldn't have the same impact > in an English translation... > > those ladies on 'Late Junction' do eclectic better than Kershaw > > A > > DW wrote > > When listening to music, If there's any lyrics, I'd prefer to > > understand them, otherwise I could be jiving to *all sorts* > > of dodgy propositions........ > > ************************************************************************* > > The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential > and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are > addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any > warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the > contents of > this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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