From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #311 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, October 28 2004 Volume 07 : Number 311 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Fw: Dear John ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] RE: DJ John Peel dies ["Jason Rogers" ] FW: FW: [idealcopy] Fw: Dear John [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP ["j.hobson" ] [idealcopy] john peel [Ari ] [idealcopy] not U2? [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP ... Mobilise... NOW! ["Glenn & Cecile" ] Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie [Jan Noorda ] Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie [Ari ] [idealcopy] throw away that ipod! [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie ["Uri Baran" ] [idealcopy] Colin / Guardian / Peel [Mark McQuitty Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: Dear John Tim asked me to send this on for him. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: Idealcopy@Smoe.Org Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:04 AM Subject: Dear John I'm lurking on digest so sorry if I repeat but.... My mate interviewed Peelie a couple of months back, for Liverpool Uni's Alumni newsletter. His excellent advice to new graduates: "Set your sights low, that way you might find something that you can actually do and might even enjoy rather than driving yourself mad because you haven't become whatever it is you should have aspired to." As those other rocktastic Radio 1 DJs would have said...Wise words mate! And after all...."Teenage Dreams So Hard to Beat....." Now. Come on Idealcopyists. Many years too soon, Peels work here is done. So Thank fuck Yours fucking isn't and... Keep buying records, keep going to gigs, keep digging for gold, keep searching for and supporting new artists, keep listening to and talking/arguing about the strange, obscure and wonderful! Stop dredging up nostalgia, and Listen to NEW stuff! And As we grow old and grey, Lets never EVER stop annoying the shit out of our friends, relatives and partners with our dodgy CD collections!!!!! TURN IT UP! Tim Robinson. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:26:06 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: DJ John Peel dies My thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of John Peel. Yesterday afternoon, when I got home from work, I put the New Order Peel Sessions, 1982 on my stereo and spent much of the evening blasting that music. Like most wannabe late 80's teenage hipsters here in the U.S., I made it a priority back then to hunt down those old gray and white Peel Sessions cassette tapes from New Order, Cure, Echo And The Bunnymen, Siouxsie And The Banshees, The Smiths, etc. It seems that John Peel had a hand in promoting almost every band that influenced me over the years. The many John Peel sessions of The Fall can't go unnoticed, of course. Rest In Peace, John Peel. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:44:25 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Dear John yeah , its all really sad and so premature. saw him twice in the flesh , once at aston uni mid-80's (where i was lucky enough to have a brief chat) and then at the tryptych gig with wire just a few months back. wonder how they'll try to replace him? i was out last night so didn't hear any radio. any tribute shows planned? be nice to hear that. i did laugh to hear he'd trousered #1.6M advance for his memoirs which will now never be written. hope he enjoyed spending it :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:17:37 GMT From: "P J Kane" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Dear John TIM: << Now. Come on Idealcopyists. Many years too soon, Peels work here is done. So Thank fuck Yours fucking isn't and... Keep buying records, keep going to gigs, keep digging for gold, keep searching for and supporting new artists, keep listening to and talking/arguing about the strange, obscure and wonderful! Stop dredging up nostalgia, and Listen to NEW stuff! And As we grow old and grey, Lets never EVER stop annoying the shit out of our friends, relatives and partners with our dodgy CD collections!!!!! TURN IT UP! >> thanks for saying this Tim. that is, after all, the truest tribute we can ever give the man. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:31:13 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: FW: FW: [idealcopy] Fw: Dear John Hi All, This is from Lambchop's site !" our condolences to our british friends in the loss of the great John Peel. we don't have a radio personality like him in the states which may be one of the reasons for the horribly pathetic state of music media here. it's a huge loss for england and for music in general. respect. aaron " http://www.grandaddylandscape.com/ Tim asked me to send this on for him. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: Idealcopy@Smoe.Org Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:04 AM Subject: Dear John I'm lurking on digest so sorry if I repeat but.... My mate interviewed Peelie a couple of months back, for Liverpool Uni's Alumni newsletter. His excellent advice to new graduates: "Set your sights low, that way you might find something that you can actually do and might even enjoy rather than driving yourself mad because you haven't become whatever it is you should have aspired to." As those other rocktastic Radio 1 DJs would have said...Wise words mate! And after all...."Teenage Dreams So Hard to Beat....." Now. Come on Idealcopyists. Many years too soon, Peels work here is done. So Thank fuck Yours fucking isn't and... Keep buying records, keep going to gigs, keep digging for gold, keep searching for and supporting new artists, keep listening to and talking/arguing about the strange, obscure and wonderful! Stop dredging up nostalgia, and Listen to NEW stuff! And As we grow old and grey, Lets never EVER stop annoying the shit out of our friends, relatives and partners with our dodgy CD collections!!!!! TURN IT UP! 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My mate interviewed Peelie a couple of months back, for Liverpool Uni's Alumni newsletter. His excellent advice to new graduates: "Set your sights low, that way you might find something that you can actually do and might even enjoy rather than driving yourself mad because you haven't become whatever it is you should have aspired to." As those other rocktastic Radio 1 DJs would have said...Wise words mate! And after all...."Teenage Dreams So Hard to Beat....." Now. Come on Idealcopyists. Many years too soon, Peels work here is done. So Thank fuck Yours fucking isn't and... Keep buying records, keep going to gigs, keep digging for gold, keep searching for and supporting new artists, keep listening to and talking/arguing about the strange, obscure and wonderful! Stop dredging up nostalgia, and Listen to NEW stuff! And As we grow old and grey, Lets never EVER stop annoying the shit out of our friends, relatives and partners with our dodgy CD collections!!!!! TURN IT UP! Tim Robinson. ************************************************************************* ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:07:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP [ I wrote this in response to an off-list missive twixt myself and Keith A:- however, I hope he doesn't mind that I share some thoughts with you all.........] Re John Peel, RIP:- I don't *know* for sure if our non-UK list-members know *just* how much of a significant figure in music radio John Peel was, but believe me, his passing is an event of seismic proportions. It's difficult to overstate his contribution, both to the cause of 'alternative' ie left-field music in this country, and to my tastes in particular. He introduced my ear-holes to *so-oo* many bands that are the spine of my CD collection. People tend to think of JP as being so bound up with Punk, that they forget that he'd been around championing the obscure for years before punk. Without Peel, I (& very possibly the wider public) would never have heard of (in the pre-punk days) LOADS of german bands, such as Faust, Can, Amon Duul, Kraftwerk, US bands like Spirit , Poco, Little Feat, etc, oddities such as Captain Beefheart, Roxy Music, Gong, Kevin Ayers: in fact all sorts of stuff. For good or ill, (& still I say the former) he was instrumental in pushing acts like Tyrannosaurus Rex , Pink Floyd & others who'd go on to become household names. You can even hold him responsible for Dire Straits to a degree , after his playing of "Sultans of swing" repeatedly! Often in the same programs that consisted of loads of punk and reggae ! He was nothing if not eclectic. Without Peel, I may never have heard of The Clash, The Sound, Killing Joke, The Cocteau Twins, Joy Division, Durutti Collumn, New Order, The Cure, The Damned, Echo and the Bunnymen, The Teardrop Explodes, TV21, Artery, Half Man Half Biscuit, EVEN The Comsat Angels [ Eh, Keith ;-) ]etc etc etc:- WAY too many to catalogue, really, BUT in particular, [and most relevant here], WIRE. The first time I ever heard Wire was on Peel's show, when he played loads of stuff off of 'Pink Flag', which I didn't get *at all* at first: I just thought they were another ropey 'mockney' punk band at first, perhaps even rougher than the others. Then he played their PF era session, and still it didn't sink in, but he *was* there, a long way ahead of the rest. In the end, I started to warm to them when an ex- played me "Chairs Missing", and I liked about 1/2 of it at first hearing, but the last bit of my resistance went when good ol' Johnny Peel persisted, and one evening in early summer 1980 he played 'Map Ref ...." and ended by saying "and that's Wire, grinning and picking their way into your ears with.....", and at last, they had me, lock stock and barrel. And it was all thanks to JP and his persistence, bless 'im. I'm absolutely gutted about his death. I haven't been so affected by the demise of someone I'd never met personally, ever, I don't think. However, I find in common with a lot of his listeners, it was easy to imagine he was broadcasting specifically to ME , and consequently I almost feel like I *did* know him. In recent years, circumstance meant I didn't catch his show as much as I once did, but during a very important time that was the formative years of my evolving musical tastes, from 1975 to about 1984, where real life curtailed my listening to his show somewhat. But to John Peel, I say a HUGE "Thank you" for introducing me to all sorts of wierd , wonderful and utterly beserk stuff, be it electronica, punk, Krautrock, folk or dub-style reggae. As ex-Undertone Feargal Sharkey said on "Newsnight" last night, "some of his shows I found utterly unlistenable, but then you'd hear something truly wonderful that would almost make a life-changing impression on you". And so say I, too. His programs were always wonderfully surprising, always at least interesting, and at times sublime. Radio in this country has lost the last of the true mavericks, and I'm a bit fearful now, because where will all those wonderfully off-kilter acts find a home now that dear ol' Peely's gone? I know there's sometimes something a bit squalid almost about the rush to eulogise the recently deceased, but this one is truly from the heart. Thanks for the 30 years I had your company on the air-waves, John. R.I.P. My deepest condolences go to his family for their loss of such a decent human being. Keith Astbury wrote: Grim news about Peel, eh. Really sad. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:00:36 +0100 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek White" > > Radio in this country has lost the last of the true mavericks, and I'm a bit fearful now, because where will all those wonderfully off-kilter acts find a home now that dear ol' Peely's gone? > > I know there's sometimes something a bit squalid almost about the rush to eulogise the recently deceased, but this one is truly from the heart. > > Thanks for the 30 years I had your company on the air-waves, John. R.I.P. 110% agreement with what Derek wrote - who is there to replace him or be allowed to replace him? One common theme from lots of contributors is that they had stopped listening to him in the Nineties: families, jobs etc start getting in the way etc but Peel from being the only outlet for new music was only one of many after Matthew Bannister went 'cool Britannia. I fact Radio 1 was gradually cutting him back and putting him on later and later. Yet there are other outlets on the BBC for the leftfield. Giles Peterson comes to mind and Radio 3 seems to be full of them Andy Kershaw (the real heir apparent: I wonder will R1 have him back?) Mixing It and Late Junction. In many ways they are his legacy that there are people than ever prepared to listen to something else and given the space to play it. Internet Radio is another growing alternative: Radioio in some of its genres goes of into peel like tangents. Peely is irreplaceable because of his longevity and influence on music in the UK. But he would be very sad if noone was to continue to encourage us all to keep open minds. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:46:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] john peel only met him once,at a UB40 gig whilste visiting england,charming man. I heard the news whilste listening to BBC world news,they actually interupted the program to anounce his death. later in the prog. they played a recent interview of him where he was saying how lucky he'd been in life,then a fellow d.j went on to say something like 'most listened to dj by over 40's? John Peel,most listened to dj by 12 year olds and under? John Peel.that says it all.as Tim says,NEVER stop listening to new music,I've been saying that for years to the consternation of many of my friends around me age.he'll be sorely missed.Ari Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:25:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] not U2? http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news4a.nv?storyid=single3988 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:37:07 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie In a message dated 27/10/2004 09:33:33 GMT Daylight Time, adrian.cooke@cme.org.uk writes: He is absolutely irreplaceable and will be sorely missed for many years. I hope his legacy means that a similar outlet for brand new music is maintained. John Peel was probably one of the most loved people in the world. And for all the right reasons. Absolutely.Radio 1 especially should maintain that outlet. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:26:23 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie ...........and in today's guardian colin talks about peelie and his reaction to "crazy about love" as part of a page of recollections from musicians. nice piece. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:40:55 +0200 From: "Glenn & Cecile" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP ... Mobilise... NOW! > I don't *know* for sure if our non-UK list-members know *just* how much of a significant figure in music >radio John Peel was, but believe me, his passing is an event of seismic proportions. Don't worry Derek, his influence greatly exceeded the bounds of the folks who were fortunate enough to be able to tune in every week. In this part of the world, the traditional way is to say, "Hamba kahle", meaning, "Go well", John. I have a feeling that he would want someone to take on his mantle. Somebody here perhaps ? Think about it, and think hard. Someone's gotta do it, and it doesn't have to be such a dirty job anyway. It's up to music lovers everywhere, and more specifically, UK liste(ne)rs to see that this paramount BBC slot doesn't disappear. The BBC must be targetted and informed. Is there a John Peel Fan Club ? Who are they ? What is their influence on the BBC ? Is Andy Kershaw the man ? I urge you people to start moving as quickly as possible. By next week, the slot could be filled by someone so bad that generations of kids stop listening to the radio. With his consent, I should like to nominate Keith Astbury as a candidate. Whatever your personal sentiments, PLEASE ACT NOW! Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:57:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie That's the one I asked on the BBC1 site as a tribute for Peelie Curious what Peel thought of that. Wire took all the 15 minutes for one track. This instead of mostly other bands doing three tracks. j ...........and in today's guardian colin talks about peelie and his reaction to "crazy about love" as part of a page of recollections from musicians. nice piece. p Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:05:12 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie colin apparently heard rumours that peelie was unimpressed with "crazy about love" , but he played it twice anyway :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:52:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie anyone got this link? Ari - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > ...........and in today's guardian colin talks about > peelie and his reaction > to "crazy about love" as part of a page of > recollections from musicians. nice > piece. p > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:33:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] throw away that ipod! http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/netmusic/story/0,13368,1311300,00.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:12:52 -0000 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/johnpeel/story/0,,1336926,00.html - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari" To: ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RIP Peelie > anyone got this link? Ari > --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > > > ...........and in today's guardian colin talks about > > peelie and his reaction > > to "crazy about love" as part of a page of > > recollections from musicians. nice > > piece. p > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:31:54 +0100 From: Mark McQuitty Subject: [idealcopy] Colin / Guardian / Peel Found quote from Colin on the Guardian site: Colin Newman, Wire We once did a Peel session and instead of the usual four songs of three minutes we did a 12-minute song, which was the antithesis of everything the Peel show was about: short, punky, unpretentious. A rumour reached us that he wasn't pleased - but fair play to him, he played it twice. I would like to think he thought, "What a bunch of chancers" and had a good laugh. He was always incredibly personable, just like some bloke you'd meet down the road. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:29:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP ... Mobilise... NOW! > With his consent, I should like to nominate Keith Astbury as a candidate. Excellent. LOL! Will send my application in straight away, Glenn! If only!! But on a serious note, I don't know who is gonna replace him. Steve Lamacq, that Gonzo guy, etc. They're all lacking. I think they should go with some newcomer with enthusiasm. K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:03:16 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: John Peel RIP ... Mobilise... NOW! >>But on a serious note, I don't know who is gonna replace him. Steve Lamacq, that Gonzo guy, etc. They're all lacking. I think they should go with some newcomer with enthusiasm.<< There are two jobs to do though. One is providing broadcasting to a similar diversity and quality. That's relatively easy, compared to the second part - the "impartial 3rd party A&R man" function that involved literally listening to every demo tape, CD, MP3 or whatever turned up that day. Can't see any of the current R1 DJs having that level of commitment, dedication or - crucially - - knowledge to be able to do that job, to sort out the original and innovative from the dross, day in, day out. Andy Kershaw said Peel was driven to do this because he was "scared of missing something". Is there anybody else in broacasting who shares that attitude? And would a young newcomer understand enough of the context to be able to do the job? Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #311 *******************************