From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #309 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, October 26 2004 Volume 07 : Number 309 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] itunes (idunno...:( [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] itunes (iwonder..) [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] itunes (iwonder..) [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] BBC NEWS Entertainment Music Almond family thanks well-wishers ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] itunes (iwonder..) [Rex Broome ] Re: [idealcopy] Interesting Bill Nelson reference.. [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] itunes (idunno...:( Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:00:16 +0100 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] itunes (iwonder..) This problem of gaps is a bleedin curse. Plenty of CDs were mixed to run continuously and the gaps are incredibly annoying when you download. However, is download going anywhere? Although sales of ipods etc are booming, the actual number of people downloading from the legal sites has slumped from a peak of 1.3 million in April to 1 million in September according to the Guardian. CD sales are on the up again...partly because the gaps bugger up CDs? ! Ther's lots of illegal copying going on, but its off CDs ((( What I can't understand is - if Toast can avoid the glitch, and you can use Toast on a Mac, why the fuck don't they let you use Toast for ipod aswell as itunes. I mean, I understand the logic behind itunes as a means of doing the download business (which holds no interest for me), but to make it the exclusive means for everything... just doesn't seem very consumer friendly to me. I listen to a considerable amount of classical and various forms of electronics, and a lot of this stuff has continuous tracks. So all Apple can come up with is the 'join tracks' feature ? Fucksake ! Who wants that ? You might aswell go back to the days of cassettes, and run your battery down forwardwinding and rewinding... I mean this just doesn't affect the above mentioned forms of music, it affects Send !! (hey, I'm on topic) With it's butt-joined edits and relentless pace, the last fucking thing you what is fucking glitches... *sigh*... I dunno... :( technology... as ever the fucking double edged sword... Fergus _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:40:13 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] itunes (iwonder..) even more frightening news is that i read the wretched Q magazine has relaunched in a new "more download-centric format". good grief , they'd struggle to make that magazine worse but you suspect they'll give it a good go. as i'm not a headphone user really , the ipod concept never really appeals. but i saw an ad in the US (for BMW i think) making a big deal of how you could just plug your ipod into the car dashboard and then have a mega-jukebox facility. now that's something i'd love , but i've never seen anyone advertising that here in the UK. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:11:10 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] itunes (iwonder..) On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 05:40:13AM -0400, PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > as i'm not a headphone user really , the ipod concept never really > appeals. but i saw an ad in the US (for BMW i think) making a big > deal of how you could just plug your ipod into the car dashboard and > then have a mega-jukebox facility. now that's something i'd love , > but i've never seen anyone advertising that here in the UK. p Dension make MP3 car stereos which plug in where a normal one goes, complete with 20GB hard-disk. - - A - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 10pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:29:21 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] itunes (iwonder..) There're an auto charger w/Audio that charges your iPod from your car's cigarette lighter adapter for just $39.95. Lots more ipod accessories here: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/72601/wo/fM3 cOwTNoeyk2Outvsv1AKewgoU/0.0.9.1.0.6.21.1.3.1.2.0.0.1.0 Me, I've got me one of those transparant Harman Kardon's new SoundSticks II - - a 3-piece speaker system which supports all iPods and all computers with a headphone port. Now I only have to buy me a an ipod :-( http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/72601/wo/fM3 cOwTNoeyk2Outvsv1AKewgoU/2.0.9.1.0.6.25.7.11.0.3 Bart > even more frightening news is that i read the wretched Q magazine has > relaunched in a new "more download-centric format". good grief , they'd > struggle to make that magazine worse but you suspect they'll give it a good > go. > > as i'm not a headphone user really , the ipod concept never really appeals. > but i saw an ad in the US (for BMW i think) making a big deal of how you could > just plug your ipod into the car dashboard and then have a mega-jukebox > facility. now that's something i'd love , but i've never seen anyone > advertising that here in the UK. P ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:51:01 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] BBC NEWS Entertainment Music Almond family thanks well-wishers http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3944045.stm [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC NEWS Entertainment Music Almond family thanks well-wishers.url] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] You've been exploding frogs again After 20 years a' listenin' to 'em I finally got to see 'em last Saturday, and I was not disappointed. In a venue that seemed cut out for them, Dublin's City Hall provided a substantial high dome ceilinged, marble floored atrium. Two of the four statues in the space kept guard stage left and right (where else would you get a venue with statues on stage ?). The excitement was palpable as we waited for Coil to take the stage. When they did it was quite business like and matter of fact. No chat. No preamble. Just straight into it. Thighpaulsandra and Sleazy take up their positions behind synths and laptop. The former bears more than a passing resemblance to Derek Jarman, the latter now looks like a cross between Phil Jupitus and John Peel, in a cuddly jumper. Balance strolls on in Edwardian gear - shirt, floppy tie, tweeds, barefoot, sporting a foot long untrimmed beard and neatly cropped short back and sides. I never noticed the hurdy-gurdy player take the stage, but there he is, Cliff Stapleton, stage left. New work is being unveiled tonight, and it takes the form of a long five sectioned piece called " Stranded with gifts (moth)", a slowly evolving, ritualistic piece for voice, hurdy-gurdy and processing. Balance is using two mikes, presumably routed to different effects. Or perhaps one's processed, the other not. He has a very haunted look about him, rarely staying still, head flitting about birdlike, staring at the ceiling quite a bit, hugging himself, and raising himself up and down on his tip toes. It takes a while to find its form, but when it does it really engages, with deep drones, pulses, flickers and buried rhythms overlaid with plaintive hurdy-gurdy, and Balance's voice finding new shapes that Sleazy twists into wild configurations. Sometimes the singing is like animal calls from deep inside some dark wood. Primal. There's video projected behind Sleazy and Thighpaulsandra, nicely understated images, some on the cusp of abstraction/figuration, mostly of natural forms, nicely underscoring the music. The set lasts about 70 minutes, and, the 10 o' clock chimes from the massive clock near the ceiling did not seem out of place early on in the set. A nice chance meeting that. I hung around long enough for the boys to re-emerge, and get their thumbprints on David Keenan's book. The frontispiece now busy with Sleazy's sprawling serpentine squiggle, Thighpaulsandra's flowing curves, and Balance's nervous wiring, almost flying off the page. They're playing in London soon (details below), and I strongly recommend anyone interested check 'em out... Coil will be performing live at the Seed Records 4th Birthday event, taking place on November 12th & 13th at Aldwych Disused Tube Station in London. Coil will be appearing on the 12th, and will be presenting a short and low-key set amongst the many other artists who are appearing. Participants at the Seed Records 4th Birthday, include: Apparat (shitkatapult) Ardisson (seed/no immortal) Bell01 (electronic desert) Coil Cold Fusion Mafia (seed/fuel) Digitonal (seed/toytronic) Dj Required (seed) Jan Andersson Jazzfinger (seed/traqueto) Le Petit Orb MoQ (seed) Ola Bergman (newspeak/skam) Rob Hall (gescom/skam) [snyzch]! (seed/fruitbat) Stendec (expanding) The Doubtful Guest (seed) Tomp (warp) + very special guest dj! As you can tell from the line up this event is expected to be unlike any kind of regular show. We are planning a new "busking format" for Coil. http://www.seedrecords.co.uk Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT, but important] Phishing attacks getting more sophisticated On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > For further details see the attach. I'm amazed at how many of the phishing emails I get have glaring spelling or grammar errors in them. Yeah, sure, I'm pedantic enough to be able to find problems in most legitimate form letters I get too, but not nearly as egregiously. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:51:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] itunes (iwonder..) Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 09:22:30PM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > > Nah. I don't think that's true nowadays. Rui Da Silva's Touch Me is three > years old and that still sounds wonderful. Orbital's "Chime", and I don't care if that opens me to ridicule. >> Not from me, it won't......I got it free on one of those compilation CD's the Sunday papers are trying to shore up their flagging circulations with a month or so back, and it still sounds fine to me........ which isn't bad going since dance is hardly my favourite genre. vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:30:13 -0700 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: [idealcopy] itunes (iwonder..) I am one of several iPod owners I know who routinely plug the damned thing into a stereo amp/tuner and let it rip. Some folks would probably find the sound compression unlistenable, but my tuner is no great shakes anyhow and my ears aren't that good, and considering that something that wouldn't even hold the cigarettes it takes to get me to and from work holds more music than the two massive 400-disc carousels connected to it right now and is hells more searchable, I generally don't have much to complain about. Isn't most of the music that people dance to on a minute-to-minute basis more than three years old? Let's go on a club-hopping anthropological expedition and find out! - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:35:32 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Interesting Bill Nelson reference.. In a message dated 20/10/2004 05:25:12 GMT Daylight Time, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: My only contact with Mr Peel is the occasional "Peel Sessions" album that I find in stores. Kind of cool to hear an "insider's" take on his place in the pop world. RJH Strange but I subscribe to that site too & I couldn't agree with Bill's assumption of John Peel more. The man is a legend & educator.Saw him at the Wire Glasgow gig with alot of ICers in attendance & he seemed to be enjoying himself doing his set. I wrote to him when I was 16 (45 on Friday) & never got a reply. But never held that against him !! I think several other ICer's birthdays are around this time if memory serves so... Happy Birthday ! Chris - back with a new hard drive after an enforced break. Only 240 more E-mails to go ! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #309 *******************************