From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #305 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, October 22 2004 Volume 07 : Number 305 Today's Subjects: ----------------- FW: [idealcopy] NME goes goth... [Alistair Tear ] RE: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... ["Keith Knight" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:37:53 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: FW: [idealcopy] NME goes goth... Bart the dog in lederhosen...nice work! There're even lederhosen for your dog: http://www.stern.de/id/lifestyle/mode/530516.html We want pictures later on Robert! 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It's a clip the Beeb > regularly trot out. It get harder and harder to recognise the somewhat > younger me trying to look cool amongst the nubiles. Ah posterity! That was one of the 1st things I ever taped off TOTP! It was one my first video (the same week as the Stones Start Me Up!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:38:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: Re: FW: [idealcopy] [Totally OT] NME goes goth... I think one of the first composers who can seen as to be gothic is our WOLFgang. He made an opera once called Fledermaus (German for Bat) but could also could nearly be mistaken by LederHose. Sounds nearly the same Bart the dog in lederhosen...nice work! There're even lederhosen for your dog: http://www.stern.de/id/lifestyle/mode/530516.html We want pictures later on Robert! 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We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:35:59 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Marc Almond 'stable' after crash I interviewed Mike shortly after the "Tainted Love" thingy peaked as his most commercially successful release (never to be topped btw). He was as mystified as anyone as to why it was popular. He thought it was funnily subversive. Of course he also thought that 154 was a screaming hoot too. sg http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.hobson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Marc Almond 'stable' after crash > I'm very sad to hear the news as I was a big Soft Cell Fan. Of course there > is the Wire connection with producer Mike Thorne. He did for Soft Cell what > he probably wanted to do to Wire and especially Colin N and make them huge. > > Tainted Love is possibly my favourite pop song. Yes I am very sad. > > One final total bit of tivia. When they originally appeared on Top of the > Pops to screech Tainted Love I was in the audience. It's a clip the Beeb > regularly trot out. It get harder and harder to recognise the somewhat > younger me trying to look cool amongst the nubiles. Ah posterity! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:38:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: good computer tool....... I've used it for over a year now and find it very helpfull.Ari http://www.pctools.com/registry-mechanic/ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:41:02 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: good computer tool....... Ari wrote: > I've used it for over a year now and find it very > helpfull.Ari > http://www.pctools.com/registry-mechanic/ Hmmmm - this doesn't seem to work on my Linux box! (^_^) (Just kidding, Ari! (^_^)) Cheers, Paul P.S. And, yes, this message is from Linux.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:29:35 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... In a message dated 19/10/2004 23:41:22 GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Certainly I'd agree that the first *specifically* Goth record was Bela > Lugosi's dead - and Bauhaus fans were the first who actually tried to look > like > vampires. Scream-era Banshees (and specifically the Staircase Mystery and > Playground Twist singles) drew much of the musical terrain. The Cure were > nowhere > near Goth at this stage (1978-78) and never specifically nailed their > colours > to the Goth mast. Neither did many other bands that gained a Goth following > > (Theatre of Hate, Killing Joke, The Birthday Party etc). > > The term wasn't in widespread use until probably about 1981, when the > "movement" that grew up around the 2nd wave of goth bands (Southern Death > Cult, > Sisters of Mercy, March Violets etc) became recognised by the music press. > > Mark /////ah , sorry for setting the question and running off , back now and i see lots of correspondence ref. the wonders of goth. bauhaus' bela lugosi was released in sept 79 so that was probably the first of the "second wave" of goth , you'd have to say the banshees got there first really? saw the cure on the "join hands" tour around this time and they were strictly into v-neck pullovers and neat little haircuts whereas siouxsie was as goth as she ever was by then. so i guess she's to blame for it all. but the first usage of the term "goth" in relation to this musical style was by singer abbo of uk decay in a sounds interview maybe a year after that. a great band sadly airbrushed out of history due to 2 decades of all their work being unavailable , back in 80/81 they were right up there with bauhaus/killing joke/theatre of hate as a sort of proto-goth movement , all went very different ways but that was how it started. the sex gang / southern death cult / sisters acts were what followed in 82-84 before you ended up with the horrors of the mission/all about eve era. less said about that the better...... (abbo incidentally founded big cat records , managed jeff buckley and pavement , was the boss of V2 and is now MD of virgin australia. so thankfully coining that phrase is not his entire epitaph) even slower than the prefects album is the subway sect album , still in the can after 26 years :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:31:38 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... JS Bach could be in A Flock of Seagulls with that hairdo!! And Wagner was definitely one step ahead of The Rubettes with that carefully perched cap ; ) K. - ----- Original Message ----- From: P J Kane To: Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... > << so for todays golden anorak , who first used the term goth in relation to this kind of music? >> > > Johann Sebastian Bach. > > see: > http://www.faculty.de.gcsu.edu/~rviau/gothic.music.html > > PJK > > please don't hate me because i can't type..... > --- > All the cool kids are doing it: > HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:19:01 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... > And Wagner was definitely one step ahead of The Rubettes with that carefully > perched cap ; ) Ha ha... Tristan & Isolde as a Sugar Baby Love avant la lettre! I'd love to hear the remix! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:20:06 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... SC's original spelling, 'Liederhosen' would translate as 'song trousers' which throws up an interesting image. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: 20 October 2004 07:31 To: postlibyan@netzero.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... well, the man was German, and my understanding from Oktoberfest festivals is that the tradition male German trousers are, in fact, leather. liederhosen? those little leather pants they wear over hose.... i am sure that Bach must have worn some at some point in his life... Oh dear. Those old German stereotypes! Lederhosen are traditional Bavarian wear, not "German". Germany as a single entity did not actually exist when Bach was born in the 17th century - in fact it was not united till 1870 under Bismarck. Arguably it still isn't - Bavaria (in whose capital Munich the Oktoberfest is held) considers itself a separate state to this day, superior to the northern parts of Germany. So Bach (who came from the Eastern part of Germany) wouldn't have been seen dead in Bavarian peasant kecks, dahling! A US parallel would be expecting a Bostonian to fly a confederate flag outside his house! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:21:24 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Interesting Bill Nelson reference.. That wouldn't have been supporting Peter Hammill on his 1974 tour by any chance would it Derek? Didn't like them myself much either. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Derek White I saw BeBop Deluxe once, at a nearby University gig, and I thought they were utterly tedious, I'm afraid. And given that I could *still* be somewhat impressed by guitar heroes at the time, that's not good going......... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:23:44 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... > SC's original spelling, 'Liederhosen' would translate as 'song trousers' > which throws up an interesting image. Tin anorak for the first one to come up with an example of lederhosen lieder! Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #305 *******************************