From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #304 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, October 21 2004 Volume 07 : Number 304 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: Interesting Bill Nelson reference.. ["Clements, Bruno - B] [idealcopy] Wire On The Box ["Adrian Cooke" ] Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... ["P J Kane" ] Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth...../Wolfy,Ludwig and 'the classics' [Derek] Re: [idealcopy] Interesting Bill Nelson reference.. [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] Marc Almond 'stable' after crash ["j.hobson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Goth [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth... [Ari ] [idealcopy] for wilco fans........ [Ari ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #292 [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... [Rex Broome ] [idealcopy] Colin and master [Jan Noorda ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:49:08 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Interesting Bill Nelson reference.. There's tons on the renowned Mr Peel at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/ International copyists et al can catch streamed shows at the BBC website, I believe, up to a week after transmission on UK radio. In fact it would be quite easy for a US 'fan' to hear more Peel than a UK one who misses the shows (due to shift work) and then doesn't get around to hearing them on the web. Followed him avidly from '77-'82 but have been a bit neglectful for the last 20 years... A case of ignoring what's on your own doorstep, I suppose. Nice to get a positive mention of Mr Nelson too. Strange to think he's in awe of Mr P. - -----Original Message----- From: Santa Cruzer [mailto:r_j_h@yahoo.com] - ---I was reading through some of Bill Nelson's diary entries talking about his recent tour, Be Bop Deluxe and all and was really taken by this quote: "Did some BBC radio interviews the other week: Phil Jupitus and Stuart Maconie, both really good, nice, genuine guys. Phil turned out to be a Red Noise fan...a mind blowing revelation for me. The real surprise of the day, though, was bumping into John Peel who I haven't seen for a long, long time. He was as generous and down to earth as ever and I was as dumbstruck and nervous around this legend and broadcasting icon as I ever was. A genuine hero of mine from way back. I don't know what it is about John, maybe the memory of my listening to his radio shows in the psychedelic 'sixties, when I was an excited teenager, his musical knowledge, whatever but I'm always in awe of him. He's such a genuine man and deserves all the status that people ascribe to him. The word 'authentic' comes to mind. Listening to his programmes changed the way I think about music...The man's an educator. Really lovely to meet him again after all this time." My only contact with Mr Peel is the occasional "Peel Sessions" album that I find in stores. Kind of cool to hear an "insider's" take on his place in the pop world. RJH _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:14:08 +0100 From: "Adrian Cooke" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Finally got the Wire On The Box DVD yesterday. Very good isn't it? Love the interview, especially the bit where Graham compliments the interviewer on his jacket! Adrian Adrian Cooke Business Manager Community Music East Ltd 189 King Street Norwich NR1 2DF Tel: 01603 628 367 Fax: 01603 767 863 Mobile: 07909 920574 www.cme.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:32:31 GMT From: "P J Kane" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... << So Bach (who came from the Eastern part of Germany) wouldn't have been seen dead in Bavarian peasant kecks, dahling! >> i stand corrected. even though i have an ancestor from Bavaria, i had no idea there were such "regional differences" over there. thanks. << A US parallel would be expecting a Bostonian to fly a confederate flag outside his house! >> i dunno about that -- the Confed flag is the symbol of racists and morons all over this country..... i saw it on a pickup truck in Connecticut, along with a KKK logo..... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org Please note: message attached ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: <> this kind of music? >> A good brief history of Goff here: _http://www.darkwaver.com/subculture/articles/undead.php_ (http://www.darkwaver.com/subculture/articles/undead.php) Certainly I'd agree that the first *specifically* Goth record was Bela Lugosi's dead - and Bauhaus fans were the first who actually tried to look like vampires. ****Scream-era Banshees**** ..... Which the writer of the above page cites "The scream" as being positively the last first-generation punk album to get released. Well, I may be wrong here, and I haven't googled for 'the facts' but I thought *that* particular distinction went to the Slits' debut disk............? Agree about 'Bela lugosi's dead' being the first specifically goth record, though. Isn't it funny how nobody in the bands concerned wish to embrace the title 'goth band'? What's going on there? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth...../Wolfy,Ludwig and 'the classics' This thread brings to mind two (no doubt) 'Hollywood-ised' biopics, which nevertheless provide interesting takes on Mozart and Beethoven. "Amadeus" would have us believe that Mozart was a scatological clown with a golden ear, who would possibly have been banging out 3-chord wonders with the best of the class of '77 (with footling bells and whistles added, perhaps). Or he may have become some horrid Rick Wakeman type. Who knows. "Immortal beloved" about Beethoven shows us a cranky old git, who'd probably be banging out bombastic down-tuned metal with prog tendencies. Do't know how much evidence there is for these respective portrayals: I seem to recall 'Amadeus' got slated for it's ...erm....'chronological liberties.' As for Ari's point about 'classics only' snobs, well, they'll never learn. One of their pre-requisites for even listening to someones music is that they have to be at least 50 years dead, and 100 years if possible. ;-) Keith Astbury wrote: > i remember trying to make a point to someone unconvinced by this whole rock n > roll type thing along the lines that if beethoven was around today he > wouldn't be doing classical music but rather working in whatever was the current > musical style. unfortunately i think the analogy i used was that ludwig van would > probably have been slipping a root vegetable down his leather trousers as part > of his act , which i seem to recall was far too much of a mental leap for the > cynic in question. I think you'll find that was Mozart and not Beethoven. Ludwig Van was more of a Nick Cave figure. vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:08:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Interesting Bill Nelson reference.. Santa Cruzer wrote: I was reading through some of Bill Nelson's diary entries talking about his recent tour, Be Bop Deluxe and all and was really taken by this quote: "Did some BBC radio interviews the other week............ The real surprise of the day, though, was bumping into John Peel who I haven't seen for a long, long time. He was as generous and down to earth as ever and I was as dumbstruck and nervous around this legend and broadcasting icon as I ever was. A genuine hero of mine from way back. I think there's a bit of a mutual admiration society going on here:- Peel was given to playing shedloads of Nelson's stuff for quite a while, in particular around "Quit dreaming and get back on the beam" (1981?) I saw BeBop Deluxe once, at a nearby University gig, and I thought they were utterly tedious, I'm afraid. And given that I could *still* be somewhat impressed by guitar heroes at the time, that's not good going......... Here in the UK Peel has, and I think fully deserves, his almost mythic status in radio annals. Fall fixation notwithstanding...........;-) Yahoo! Mail  CNET Editors' Choice 2004. Tell them what you think. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:39:34 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... Isn't it funny how nobody in the bands concerned wish to embrace the title 'goth band'? What's going on there? - ---Not many bands of the earlier era wanted to be called punk, either, though... ;-) ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:35:41 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth... well, the man was German, and my understanding from Oktoberfest festivals is that the tradition male German trousers are, in fact, leather. liederhosen? those little leather pants they wear over hose.... i am sure that Bach must have worn some at some point in his life... PJK>>>>>>>>>>>>>> um....anybody know where i can buy some of these? ; ) RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:32:05 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Goth //////er , sorry but i missed his "batcave" period. shame , i think from the pictures i've seen he was pretty hot on the facial powder (good thing) but not so clever on the leather trousers aspect of this scene. i'm afraid an understanding of leather is de rigeur here , so that's him disqualified for a start. p >>>>>>>>> um...did someone mention leather trousers??? RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:37:54 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... So Bach (who came from the Eastern part of Germany) wouldn't have been seen dead in Bavarian peasant kecks, dahling!>>>>>>>>> but i would! so where can i find a catalog??? RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:55:13 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth... >> well, the man was German, and my understanding from Oktoberfest festivals is >> that the tradition male German trousers are, in fact, leather. liederhosen? >> those little leather pants they wear over hose.... i am sure that Bach must >> have worn some at some point in his life... >> >> PJK > um....anybody know where i can buy some of these? ; ) http://www.muenchen.de/Marktplatz/Souvenirs_Fanartikel/Lederhosen/13861 There're even lederhosen for your dog: http://www.stern.de/id/lifestyle/mode/530516.html We want pictures later on Robert! Bart (who else?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:42:59 +0100 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Marc Almond 'stable' after crash I'm very sad to hear the news as I was a big Soft Cell Fan. Of course there is the Wire connection with producer Mike Thorne. He did for Soft Cell what he probably wanted to do to Wire and especially Colin N and make them huge. Tainted Love is possibly my favourite pop song. Yes I am very sad. One final total bit of tivia. When they originally appeared on Top of the Pops to screech Tainted Love I was in the audience. It's a clip the Beeb regularly trot out. It get harder and harder to recognise the somewhat younger me trying to look cool amongst the nubiles. Ah posterity! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:20:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: RE: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... - --- "Clements, Bruno - BUP" wrote: > >Isn't it funny how nobody in the bands concerned wish to embrace the title 'goth band'? What's going on there? ---Not many bands of the earlier era wanted to be called punk, either, though... ;-)<< Which is why the term 'new wave' came about,re the banshees et.al.Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:21:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Goth - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: >>um...did someone mention leather trousers??? RL<< UhOh,here we go (again) resist Bart,resist!.......A __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth... - --- Bart van Damme wrote: > > > um....anybody know where i can buy some of these? > ; ) > > > http://www.muenchen.de/Marktplatz/Souvenirs_Fanartikel/Lederhosen/13861 > > There're even lederhosen for your dog: > http://www.stern.de/id/lifestyle/mode/530516.html > > We want pictures later on Robert! > > Bart (who else?) Darn,too late............A Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:55:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] for wilco fans........ http://www.wilcoworld.net/roadcase/18_spiders.mp3 _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:57:15 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #292 << PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: so where is bushell these days anyway? havn't seen his ugly mug in ages. p >> Slow on the uptake - been busy with horrible adult activities like flat buying and refurbishment. I don't recommend it. Anyway, I had a nasty shock around last May or so when I spotted Bushell, dressed in a barbour jacket or something similar, sauntering along the High Street in Lewes, Sussex. He looked somewhat haunted - by something suitably nasty I hope. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:40:25 -0700 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: [idealcopy] NME goes goth..... > > >Isn't it funny how nobody in the bands concerned > wish to embrace the title > 'goth band'? What's going on there? > > ---Not many bands of the earlier era wanted to be > called punk, either, > though... ;-)<< > > Which is why the term 'new wave' came about,re the > banshees et.al.Ari Shortly after which that label itself became undesireable due to the proliferation of godawful new wave bands. Just goes to show you... don't start a genre, because as soon as a genre exists, it will contain some very shitty bands from whom you will deperately and rapidly need to distance yourself. Half of whom will be refugees from the last genre to go kaput (cf. pub rockers putting on skinny ties; Sunset Strip hair bands getting piercings and going grunge). - -Rex - -- "Maybe baby election twelve who I really am!" - -Miranda Mellbye Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:07:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] Colin and master There is a nice picture from Colin with Denis Blackham on http://www.skyemastering.com/personal.html read the piece of august. Phew 2004 with pictures just above november 4th 2003 Denis is probably the first man who hears for the music/sound artists created before and decided to release it, like Swim releases, Touch-label, Mego etc. He is sound-engineer and doing a lot of audio-mastering j vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #304 *******************************