From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #288 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, October 5 2004 Volume 07 : Number 288 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] the nightingales [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy]vitamin A & E (was O.T: Say what?) [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] the nightingales ["Keith Astbury" >He's gone - they've got a new drummer (Lloyd made a point of mentioning how well the drummer had done since he'd only played with them for the first time the previous Sunday! Apparently, he's the drummer in another band, Volcano the Bear.<< No he hasn't! The Fuzzmeister was present and correct on Saturday night. Presumably "otherwise engaged" on Friday! Still, you see what I mean about the ever-shifting line-up. It's not like the Fall, where people get the sack and rarely return - it's more a case of who's available from the Nightingales playing "squad" (ie anybody who's ever been in the band, or anyone who fancies a go!) Mark Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 04:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy]vitamin A & E (was O.T: Say what?) IIRC= If I Recall Correctly. Sorry if that's a touch cryptic, but I thought it was in common usage. Just me being lazy, I guess. Vit E or not, I've been told my 'ticker' is in good shape, too, just last year when I had reason to query it with 'the quack'......... I Don't take any supplements other than the now discontinued Vit 'A' (at least it's discontinued in my case), and 'C'. Hopefully my diet's good enough to provide the rest. Ari wrote: Actualy vitamin E is supposed to 'help' smokers re keeping the heart functioning normaly,I've been taking this stuff for around 8 years or more,I stopped smoking at age 57 (4 yrs ago)and recently had a EKG before the operation on my hernia,despite the fact I smoked for almost 40 years the nurse informed that I have 'a good strong heart',which was,of course,nice to know cuz only 10 years ago I was told the opposite.Ari (and what on EARTH does IIRC mean?) - --- Derek White wrote: > P J Kane wrote: > > << On a similar tack, I discovered last night I've > been doing precisely the wrong thing , taking > vitamin 'A' supplements , as I smoke, too. :-( >> > > why is this "precisely the wrong thing"? i thought > that smokers were supposed to take antioxidants... > > That *IS* indeed the accepted wisdom,or rather > was:-however, here in the UK, in an edition of the > respected BBC science program "Horizon" I saw 2 > nights back, there was reported details of a study > set up specifically to test this theory, and to > their consternation found that there was IIRC a > 25%-30% INCREASE in the incidence of lung cancer > among the study group !! I am not privy to what the > sample size was, nor exactly which academic > institution carried the BBC-commisioned study out, > but I would imagine that it would have been carried > out with a big enough group to ensure that the > statistics thus gleaned *were* significant. > > I'd imagine that the BBC/Horizon website will have > the details..... :-( > > > > PJK > > please don't hate me because i can't type..... > --- > All the cool kids are doing it: > HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 06:03:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 80p well spent......... Absolutely. I fail to see how they expect the idea to really catch on, when the figures add up as JH describes below:- my guess is that the greedy ****ers are just testing the waters here, and that providing there aren't *that* many takers, the price per download will drift down to a more realistic amount, bearing in mind the lack of any packaging or an artefact of any nature to 'own', per se. At least, if they're charging *that* much, they should record who's paid for what, and should the d/l ever get lost, via hard drive death, or i-pod failiure/loss, there's no earthly reason why you shouldn't be able to get a replacement download , free, gratis. After all, you've already paid for the right to use and enjoy that track for all time, (to my way of thinking, anyhow), and they haven't got the cost of a replacement 'carrier' to bear. OK, Doctor. I feel *much* better, now.......... "j.hobson" wrote: > (is that what it costs? i bought the 12" but i've never ventured into the > odd world of paid-for downloads) p Odd OK..aimed at people who can't add up. You pay the same money for no packaging, you do the pressing on your own disc and are limited to a a couple of burns. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 06:18:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the nightingales Keith Astbury wrote: Incidentally, I am reliably informed that some of Tank's pedals started life with amon duul II, were flogged to Marc Bolan & somehow ended up under the Tank's feet!! ///// Dunno where you get *this* kind of minutae from, but if you *do* go and see'em again, and one of those pedals is a kinda nasal-sounding-but-gutteral phaser thing, find out if he wants to flog it !! Frankly, I couldn't give a flying philadelphia f*** if M. Bolan once owned it, I just want, no,*NEED* the pedal that John Weinzerl made those mad noises with, on Amon Duul 2's "Dance of the Lemmings" album, and who knows, this could be it under Mr Byrchmore's clodhopper. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:03:25 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the nightingales > >>He's gone - they've got a new drummer (Lloyd made a point of mentioning how > well the drummer had done since he'd only played with them for the first > time the previous Sunday! Apparently, he's the drummer in another band, > Volcano the Bear.<< > > > No he hasn't! The Fuzzmeister was present and correct on Saturday night. Presumably "otherwise engaged" on Friday! Still, you see what I mean about the ever-shifting line-up. It's not like the Fall, where people get the sack and rarely return - it's more a case of who's available from the Nightingales playing "squad" (ie anybody who's ever been in the band, or anyone who fancies a go!) > > Mark Bizarre! Squad rotation!! I'm reliably informed by someone formerly of this parish, that the VTB drummer is playing with them in Manchester tomorrow. Maybe they should have a subs bench. "Fuzz, you're having a bad night, I'm bringing Mr Volcano on for tactical reasons", says player manager, Robert Lloyd! K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:47:13 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] OT: I Tunes payment breakdown (was 80p well spent.........) Don't feel too good yet: http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/ Downhill battle is a great organisation. I wear my pirate tee shirt proudly. wnd3 --- Derek White wrote: > Absolutely. I fail to see how they expect the idea > to really catch on, when the figures add up as JH > describes below:- my guess is that the greedy > ****ers are just testing the waters here, and that > providing there aren't *that* many takers, the price > per download will drift down to a more realistic > amount, bearing in mind the lack of any packaging or > an artefact of any nature to 'own', per se. > > At least, if they're charging *that* much, they > should record who's paid for what, and should the > d/l ever get lost, via hard drive death, or i-pod > failiure/loss, there's no earthly reason why you > shouldn't be able to get a replacement download , > free, gratis. After all, you've already paid for > the right to use and enjoy that track for all time, > (to my way of thinking, anyhow), and they haven't > got the cost of a replacement 'carrier' to bear. > > OK, Doctor. I feel *much* better, now.......... ===== http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ http://home.earthlink.net/~2signs/ ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:32:48 -0400 From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the nightingales >>Bizarre! Squad rotation!! I'm reliably informed by someone formerly of this parish, that the VTB drummer is playing with them in Manchester tomorrow. Maybe they should have a subs bench. "Fuzz, you're having a bad night, I'm bringing Mr Volcano on for tactical reasons", says player manager, Robert Lloyd!<< Since they reformed, almost all the Prefects/Nightingales have passed through the band - last time I saw them (a few months back, in Brixton) both Joe Crow (from the 1980 band) and Andy Lloyd (the slaphead guitarist from the later line-up) were in the band. Pete Frame would run out of paper! Even those 'gales who haven't (yet) reappeared in the band (Nick Beales, for example, originally thrown out for being "too posh" according to RL!) have been spotted at gigs! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:37:05 -0400 From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the nightingales >>Frankly, I couldn't give a flying philadelphia f*** if M. Bolan once owned it, I just want, no,*NEED* the pedal that John Weinzerl made those mad noises with, on Amon Duul 2's "Dance of the Lemmings" album, and who knows, this could be it under Mr Byrchmore's clodhopper. << I suspect Mr A is toying with us! I stood right in front of the Tankster - hence still a discernible ear-ringing after 48 hours - and can vouch that he had but three pedals. Overdrive, distortion and f**king loud, firmly stomped on by "spririt of 77" brothel creepers ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy]vitamin A & E (was O.T: Say what?) Whoops ! TRIVIA ALERT !! This one *was* meant to be an off-list missive to Ari, rather than something to share with y'all. Don't worry, this isn't the start of a series where you get my DNA profile, followed by my inside leg measurements. Sorry ! Derek White wrote: ................Vit E or not, I've been told my 'ticker' is in good shape, too, just last year when I had reason to query it with 'the quack'......... I Don't take any supplements other than the now discontinued Vit 'A' (at least it's discontinued in my case), and 'C'. Hopefully my diet's good enough to provide the rest. Ari wrote: Actualy vitamin E is supposed to 'help' smokers re keeping the heart functioning normaly,I've been taking this stuff for around 8 years or more,I stopped smoking at age 57 (4 yrs ago)and recently had a EKG before the operation on my hernia,despite the fact I smoked for almost 40 years the nurse informed that I have 'a good strong heart',which was,of course,nice to know cuz only 10 years ago I was told the opposite.Ari (and what on EARTH does IIRC mean?) - --- Derek White wrote: > P J Kane wrote: > > << On a similar tack, I discovered last night I've > been doing precisely the wrong thing , taking > vitamin 'A' supplements , as I smoke, too. :-( >> > > why is this "precisely the wrong thing"? i thought > that smokers were supposed to take antioxidants... > > That *IS* indeed the accepted wisdom,or rather > was:-however, here in the UK, in an edition of the > respected BBC science program "Horizon" I saw 2 > nights back, there was reported details of a study > set up specifically to test this theory, and to > their consternation found that there was IIRC a > 25%-30% INCREASE in the incidence of lung cancer > among the study group !! I am not privy to what the > sample size was, nor exactly which academic > institution carried the BBC-commisioned study out, > but I would imagine that it would have been carried > out with a big enough group to ensure that the > statistics thus gleaned *were* significant. > > I'd imagine that the BBC/Horizon website will have > the details..... :-( > > > > PJK > > please don't hate me because i can't type..... > --- > All the cool kids are doing it: > HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #288 *******************************