From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #283 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, September 30 2004 Volume 07 : Number 283 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] my spare fish [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] O.T: Say what? [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: popped & waved [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] O.T: Say what? ["P J Kane" ] [idealcopy] Bruce & The Boiling Boys [Fergus Kelly ] [idealcopy] [OT]sonic acts [Jan Noorda ] [idealcopy] On the box in the US [Monochromatic Man ] Re: [idealcopy] On the box in the US [eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang)] Re: [idealcopy] [OT]sonic acts [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Bruce & The Boiling Boys [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] [OT]sonic acts ["Tim ****" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:41:46 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] my spare fish nice offer from PE to give you a free "my pet fish" with every githead. sadly i already have this (great) album so now have one going spare if anyone would care to swop me something for it. PJH live on BBC4 this friday 21.00 - 22.00 which should be good. anyone see any of these wire festival appearances over the summer. know they did a view but they all seem to havegone unreported.... p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:57:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: Say what? What's that you say, sonny? You'll have to speak up, as I'm a bit "mutt' n' Jeff".......;-) Seriously, this "beat impending deafness with Vitamin E" link could well be useful to anybody that's spent any time up at the front of concert venues, enthusiastically sticking their head in the bass bins to get that 'full concert experience' ! Good spot, Ari. On a similar tack, I discovered last night I've been doing precisely the wrong thing , taking vitamin 'A' supplements , as I smoke, too. :-( Note:- Non-smokers please don't feel compelled to give me a fatherly lecture........... ;-) Ari wrote: http://tinyurl.com/6genh Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 07:13:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: popped & waved Paul Pietromonaco wrote: My friend Erin, who was a massive Rush fan (and still is, by all accounts) also was interested in them because Neil Peart or one of the other band members mentioned them in an interview. This would have been the 1986 Wire phase - I think that's why that period is still my fave. Didn't hear the 1977 Wire phase until much, much later. Wow ! I personally find *this* little nugget of info astounding, mainly because I find it difficult to imagine two bands who represent such polar opposites as Wire and Rush. Wire's music is minimal, pared down economy incarnate, with understated production to suit..... Rush's stuff is [mainly] THE MOST blustering prog, with all the bells and whistles that can be shoehorned in, with more key-changes and time-sig changes than you could shake a stick at, with the production being the aural equivalent of i-max & cinemascope combined, and finally a glossy sheen trowelled over the top. It's astounding to me that Lee, Lifeson & Peart are even aware WIRE exist , let alone name-check them. Perhaps this is when Rush dispensed with the 1/2 hour rock operas, and took to doing actual four-or-five-minute songs. SONGS ! Actually , far more palatable than their other stuff, but I still think their Ayn Rand fixation is a bit suspect........... Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:08:50 GMT From: "P J Kane" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: Say what? << On a similar tack, I discovered last night I've been doing precisely the wrong thing , taking vitamin 'A' supplements , as I smoke, too. :-( >> why is this "precisely the wrong thing"? i thought that smokers were supposed to take antioxidants... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Bruce & The Boiling Boys Just uploaded a bunch of Tramway shots, thanks to the very excellent Mr McQuitty (thanks Mark !) setting me up an account on the flickr site. Also some shots of The Bow Gamelan in London & Dublin. 3 pages of photos in all - click on 1,2 or 3 at the bottom of the page to get to other pages. Click on images for enlargement. http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/date/2004/09/page3/ Enjoy ! Fergus _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:15:51 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce & The Boiling Boys Looking good Fergus... great shots! Bart > Just uploaded a bunch of Tramway shots, thanks to the > very excellent Mr McQuitty (thanks Mark !) setting me > up an account on the flickr site. Also some shots of > The Bow Gamelan in London & Dublin. 3 pages of photos > in all - click on 1,2 or 3 at the bottom of the page > to get to other pages. Click on images for > enlargement. > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/date/2004/09/page3/ > > Enjoy ! > > Fergus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:00:23 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bruce & The Boiling Boys > Looking good Fergus... great shots! > > Bart Yeah. Particularly like the Bob the Builder (of beats) photo! He's a cool dude is our Robert, isn't he. Keith > > Just uploaded a bunch of Tramway shots, thanks to the > > very excellent Mr McQuitty (thanks Mark !) setting me > > up an account on the flickr site. Also some shots of > > The Bow Gamelan in London & Dublin. 3 pages of photos > > in all - click on 1,2 or 3 at the bottom of the page > > to get to other pages. Click on images for > > enlargement. > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/date/2004/09/page3/ > > > > Enjoy ! > > > > Fergus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:32:06 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Shock Of Daylight I've been re-visiting an old fave by The Sound of late, and felt the burge to write this... The Sound are living proof that it's not just in these sanitised post-Fame Academy/Pop Idol days that you need an image, because whilst Ian Curtis had his epileptic-like dancing, Julian Cope his flying jacket and Ian McCulloch his hair, lips and boasting, The Sound's singer/songwriter/guitarist Adrian Borland was some ordinary looking bloke with a slight weight problem who'd have looked ridiculous in a flying jacket and a pair of jodhpur's. And it's whilst it extremely unlikely that he would have unbuttoned his shirt on TOTP in the first place, it's fair to say that the little girls wouldn't have screamed like they did when Mac went pop - and for better or worse, these are the things that get you the front covers, whether it be Smash Hits or the NME. The Sound, meanwhile, with Borland resembling a brickie in black, were - like Wire (and possibly as much as any other band I can think of) - just about the music. But what music! I first heard The Sound in back in 1980, when a mate played their classic Heyday 7" single. I was blown away - it was like that Liverpool sound I was so in love with, but with the power and adrenaline of '77. It was, at the risk of sounding glib, the Pistols on Zoo! Consequently, the rest of the debut album, Jeopardy, initially sounded like a disappointment as a result, but that feeling didn't stay long. Sure there was little else with that sense of fury (though Missiles had it's moments!), but it was a template for what was to come - hooklines, heart and soul, a combination that truly came to fruition on it's follow-up, From The Lion's Mouth, generally considered to be the sound's finest achievement. But following one further album, All Fall Down, which inspired less favourable reviews, The Sound seemed to disappear completely. They eventually re-surfaced in early '84 with this six track mini album, Shock Of Daylight, by which time things had changed. Of their contemporaries, the Teardrops had, as the headline writers used to delight in saying, 'imploded', the Bunnymen had become victims of style over content and with Curtis now long gone, New Order had ceased being miserable JD copyists and discovered Arthur Baker, whilst another of their contemporaries, U2, had discovered white flags and reverence and were on their way to becoming the biggest band in the desert. I mean world. And then there were those new kids on the block with a lead singer who was Bono with gladioli. And wit. There had also been changes closer to home. They had left the major label subsidiary, Korova, and signed with the altogether smaller Statik, but if you thought they were going to return with an apologetic whimper, then you couldn't have been further wrong. On hearing Shock of Daylight nowadays, the one word that repeatedly springs to mind is defiance. It opens with the blistering Golden Soldiers, a song that oozes sincerity and, yes defiance, with its heartfelt "I could go to war for you". In fact, Borland sounds so strong and self-assured on Golden Soldiers that, with the benefit of hindsight, it makes his ultimate giving in all the harder to take. On closer listening, you can hear that Golden Soldiers is just a great 'song' - for all it's blistering guitars and fab basslines, you know you could strip it down to just an acoustic and vocals and it would sound like one of the greatest Unplugged tracks ever. There's other great moments here - Longest Days is a beautifully realised track with a searing guitar and excellent crisp, clipped bassline c/o Graham Bailey. There's also some great keyboards on this track, be it the simulated brass punches that accompany the intro or the drop dead gorgeous woodwind like effect that complements lines like "Hope was the worst thing I could get from anyone". Counting The Days follows, and although not necessarily one of the albums highlights, is the type of mid-paced track that The Sound did so well - elevated in this case by a nice use of double tracked vocals. I've always loved the altogether quieter Winter, however, with its simple acoustic riff, and Borland's vocals, always heartfelt, are especially moving on this track. And its "At least let me sleep through the winter" line has taken on a rather poignant meaning post-suicide. The best is still to come, however - "A New Way Of Life" is surely one of The Sounds best ever songs. "Light a candle to see me through these times" and "I am wary of the unknown", sings Borland in the verses before sounding altogether more optimistic when the chorus arrives and he sings "A new way of life takes me away from you". And there's a truly superb section when the guitar drops out as Borland paints his picture over a quieter backdrop before a searing - and, bizarrely, optimistic sounding - guitar solo comes in from nowhere. Shock of Daylight closes with Dreams Then Plans, a track that sounds better than ever with one of those chord sequences that brings me out in shivers. Borland again appears to be in turmoil, one minute singing "Where the days are numbered, Count me in", before looking forward as he once again sings about "a new kind of life". The track appears to be almost fading away until he surprises us with a big, if brief, finale. At the risk of playing amateur psychiatrist, it's almost as if he's convincing himself that he's trying to look ahead as he drifts on and on and then decides to end it all. Quickly. New listeners could argue that some of the keyboards date it (and this goes for the recently released and otherwise excellent BBC Recordings, too) as they're very much a product of the 80's, but otherwise this could have been made anytime - for which producer Pat Collier definitely deserves a pat on the back. Ultimately, Shock of Daylight is timeless music made by a man who wrote some of my favourite lyrics, which, although often despondent, lost and weary, somehow never sounded self-pitying. And although this LP isn't perhaps the greatest showcase for his guitar playing, Borland also came up with some of the best riffs to emanate from a six string. (Stooges fans might want to investigate Fire on Lion's Mouth!). After this mini-LP came the full length Heads & Hearts, an album that - the odd track like the excellent Temperature Drop aside - disappointed me at the time, but which sounds excellent these days. But, after one more studio album, Thunder Up, Borland closed the door on his band and went it alone before giving up completely back in 1999 when, following alleged mental health problems, he ended his life when he stood in front of a train. Death, as hinted in what I've written here, makes you view someone's work differently, particularly when the person involved has ended it himself. It's easy to take a single line and try and turn it into a major clue as to what was to come, when it no doubt meant something differently entirely at the time of writing. And it's easy for the death disciples to jump upon the dead rock star bandwagon and turn them into some kind of rock and roll romantic hero, though even in death Borland's lack of image will surely count against him compared with, say, Nick Drake and his long flowing locks and photogenic innocence - being honest, I can't see Borland experiencing the same slow, steady rise in sales over the next 25 years that Tanworth-in-Arden's favourite has. But I'm too old for all that teenage angst and death thing now. When I hear The Sound these days, it saddens me that he's gone, but nothing detracts from Borland's brilliant grasp of melody, heartfelt lyrics and beautifully emotive singing. He mightn't have waved a white flag, and - even though he made albums that would piss all over Ocean Rain - neither did he boast that he'd just made the greatest album ever made. He just got on with the music. And even though albums like Jeopardy, From The Lions Mouth and this virtually forgotten classic deserve, no DEMAND, a bigger audience, sadly, for some people the music just isn't enough. Adrian Borland: Vocals, Guitar, Keyboard Colvin "Max" Mayers: Keyboard, Guitar Graham Bailey: Bass Michael Dudley: Drums, Percussion Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:49:20 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Shock Of Daylight - ---- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Shock Of Daylight > I've been re-visiting an old fave by The Sound of late, and felt the burge to > write this... Or urge, even!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:17:48 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Shock Of Daylight Keith: > > I've been re-visiting an old fave by The Sound of late, and felt the burge > to > > write this... > > Or urge, even!! A few of my former (and one current) bandmates love this band. I haven't given them a serious go, but the recordings I've heard have sounded a bit too dated for me to really get into. Which is ridiculous in a way, since I liked other bands whose records sound just as dated; I just happened to get into them at the time, and missed The Sound somehow... those other bands dated-sounding records don't sound dated to me because I first heard them before they'd started dating, if that makes sense... anyway... Another minor barrier is the fact that one of my horrible high school-era cover bands was called The Sound, and man, did we suck. I still have a recording of us doing "Dirty Blvd" that makes me double over with laughter every time (features botched lyric "Somewhere a landlord's wetting his pants until he laughs"). Can't hold that against Borland & Co. but that's always what I think of when I hear that name. Bad as we were, we made it onto the front page of the local newspaper, replete with photo and glowing review. Small towns, dude. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:17:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] [OT]sonic acts I went last weekend at the Sonic Acts festival in Amsterdam and it was a splendid one. One evening Raster-Noton and the other the Touch label. And I couldnt stand asking Carl Michael von Hauswolff if the GmbH (Carl Michael & Gilbert & Lewis) will continue. He could not give direct answers, but probably they will do it again. And cd-releases? A same kind of answer. On the second evening a great sound-journey made by Chris Watson was there. The Ghost Train was the title and it was all about a journey he made once from west to east Mexico by train. Great to hear this on that volume on the Paradiso equipment . Also Hazard , Philip Jeck, Fennesz with guitar were great I asked Mike Harding, manager of Touch label,if there are already plans for the Watched Kettle or other Bruce Gilbert contributions. His answer was if Bruce has something for us, it would be no problem. np Z'ev - Headphone Music 1-6 Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:44:28 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] On the box in the US Just found it at Insound for $20.99 http://search.insound.com/search/showrelease.jsp?p=INS24358 use this coupon for an extra 10% off: mutesep04 Billy ===== http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ http://home.earthlink.net/~2signs/ ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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Can i just mention Jah Division's 'Dub Will Tear Us Apart' 12" Due Oct - http://www.thesocialregistry.com/index2.html in that JD covers conversation. np Virgin Prunes - Whole kit'n'kerboodle x5 re-mastered cd's (A fan!) SR - Tragic Figures Play TV's (UK Cable) 2002 x10 part 'The Punk Years' Documentary - from punk torrents site. Brakhage Anthology Dvd - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT]sonic acts Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:33:20 EDT just reminded me to ask...did anyone attend the robodock festival in amsterdam? my friend's band played, and i'm wondering how they were received. they're called f-space. - -paul c.d. _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. 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