From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #282 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, September 29 2004 Volume 07 : Number 282 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: New New Order ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: New Order (was: But when did it become "nu wave"?) [f] Re: [idealcopy] OT: New New Order [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: popped & waved ["Rex Broome" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: popped & waved [Monochromatic Man ] [idealcopy] This is the Story of Johnny Spud ["Rex Broome" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: popped & waved [Paul Pietromonaco ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:26:45 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: New New Order >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:59:01 EDT >From: MarkBursa@aol.com >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: New New Order > > >>> I'd prefer them to release something new! > > > > Anyone (Mark?) know what the state of play is here? > > << >I'd heard it was a more basic 'rock' album than Get Ready. To be expected >really - mastery of clunky '80s technology does not easily translate into >mastery of the pro tools world of possibilities. > I read on worldinmotion.net that Peter Hook had described the new New Order material as very "Technique-ish". This is a good sign, as Technique got me though my last two years of high school quite well and is probably my second favorite New Order album after Brotherhood. Jason Now Playing: Interpol - Antics.....I'm speechless right now. I can't find any flaws in this album at all. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:15:21 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: New Order (was: But when did it become "nu wave"?) > I think that the lyrics were the most cringing they have (he has) ever > written. Instrumentally, I think the album works on many more songs, > including Someone Like You... though that does not save Rock the > Shack. I am obviously the only person on earth who likes Rock The Shack! But then I like Primal Scream, and I don't think many other folk here do. > But, Mark is right... Behind Closed Doors is the most dynamic/fuller > song they did during this batch. If we apply the Wire standard of > getting together and doing something that raises the bar, this is the > song. Sadly, the only song. Regret was the previous one... And am I the only person who thinks Regret is really over-rated? I like the verse a lot and (the Hooky-by-numbers) bassline, but the chorus - with it's "have a conversation on the telephone" line - is a bit shit isn't it. It's almost as annoying as that pills/hills couplet on the otherwise fine Thieves Like Us. K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:08:25 -0500 From: Doug Wittner Subject: [idealcopy] Headgit see that Githead's EP is available for order now from Posteverything - https://www.posteverything.com/artists/release.php?id=8148 ...comes with a free copy of Malka's "My Pet Fish"?! a nice gesture, i guess they're clearing out the warehouse... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:38:41 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: New Order (was: But when did it become "nu wave"?) On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:15:21 +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > > I think that the lyrics were the most cringing they have (he has) ever > > written. Instrumentally, I think the album works on many more songs, > > including Someone Like You... though that does not save Rock the > > Shack. > > I am obviously the only person on earth who likes Rock The Shack! > But then I like Primal Scream, and I don't think many other folk here do. That is why they call it Desert Island Discs... only you can play it! ;) I was very keen on PS' Exterminator (take out the vowels)... but not sure that helped me like Rock the Shack. > > > But, Mark is right... Behind Closed Doors is the most dynamic/fuller > > song they did during this batch. If we apply the Wire standard of > > getting together and doing something that raises the bar, this is the > > song. Sadly, the only song. Regret was the previous one... > > And am I the only person who thinks Regret is really over-rated? "you are pig, and should be in a zoo." (hehehehe) Strangely, I thought such a pop number would wear thin after a few years. Listening to it yesterday was quite nice (Bernard declaring that Atmosphere is one of the most beautiful songs ever written, and here is the second one...). > > I like the verse a lot and (the Hooky-by-numbers) bassline, but the chorus - > with it's "have a conversation on the telephone" line - is a bit shit isn't > it. It's almost as annoying as that pills/hills couplet on the otherwise > fine Thieves Like Us. > There are a few cringing moments in the past... I just found Get Ready to have too many. That particular line is OK by me... I think the melody over those words and the music could mask any annoyance that the words on a page can have. But, I know what you mean, there is one bit of lyrics in Dream Attack that keeps it from being a perfect song for me. cheers! - -fernando ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:41:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: New New Order Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: What I'm trying to get at, I guess, is that you can make a record *really* cheaply - and it doesn't have the sonic drawbacks that maybe a four-track record from the 70s would. Dance music cottoned onto this first, but it seems to now be pervasive. Am I going off the pretentiousness deep-end here? //// I, at least, don't think so:- in fact I reckon you're absolutely right. We're in for a shedload of home-produced stuff, some of which will be great, and sonically the equal of a 1980's high-end studio: that's the nature of technology. Unfortunately, we're also in for a shedload of self-financed crap, because for good or ill, the record 'industry' did act as a filter for the worst dross, which will now flood on out... ! :-( Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:54:16 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: popped & waved Paul: >My friend Erin, who was a massive Rush fan (and still is, >by all accounts) also was interested in [Wire] because Neil >Peart or one of the other band members mentioned them in an >interview. Really? What does Rush have to say about Wire? I notice they didn't do "Mannequin" on their recent covers album or anything. Wonder if any members of Jethro Tull ever had any on-the-record comments about Gang of Four... - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:04:13 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: popped & waved > Wonder if any members of Jethro Tull ever had any > on-the-record comments about Gang of Four... > > -Rex Wasn't that the same tour with REO Speedwagon commenting about Devo? wnd3 ===== http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ http://home.earthlink.net/~2signs/ ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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"Rust never sleeps" was in fact a faux-advertising slogan Young borrowed from Devo. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:26:17 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: New New Order >From: Aaron Mandel >To: Jason Rogers >CC: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: New New Order >Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:05:31 -0400 (EDT) > >That's a good sign, but I'm starting to learn skepticism when it comes to >established bands describing their new material. Didn't care for Get Ready >at all, and R.E.M.'s description of the new one as "angry" is... >misleading. I can see, after hearing it twice, how it might have been >motivated by unrest, but there's just no calling the music itself angry. > From what I've heard of the new R.E.M. album, I agree that it doesn't sound angry at all. R.E.M. is certainly making giant steps to appease their adult contemporary radio following, but there's no anger or edge in the music at all. I'm still going to buy R.E.M.'s Around The Sun next week because I've been an R.E.M. fan since the mid-80's, but I readily confess that I'm buying it more out of a sense of duty than anything else. New Adventures In Hi-Fi was R.E.M.'s last great album. By contrast, I found myself drawn to the new U2 single that I heard for the first time this weekend. It looks like they're going to one-up R.E.M.'s album without much effort. With respect to New Order, I personally loved Get Ready and, although I've been a New Order fan since Brotherhood era, I didn't feel let down at all. Not everyone's cup of tea, though. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:05:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: New New Order On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Jason Rogers wrote: > I read on worldinmotion.net that Peter Hook had described the new New > Order material as very "Technique-ish". This is a good sign, as > Technique got me though my last two years of high school quite well and > is probably my second favorite New Order album after Brotherhood. That's a good sign, but I'm starting to learn skepticism when it comes to established bands describing their new material. Didn't care for Get Ready at all, and R.E.M.'s description of the new one as "angry" is... misleading. I can see, after hearing it twice, how it might have been motivated by unrest, but there's just no calling the music itself angry. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:37:57 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: popped & waved > Really? What does Rush have to say about Wire? > I notice they didn't do "Mannequin" on their > recent covers album or anything. > > Wonder if any members of Jethro Tull > ever had any on-the-record comments > about Gang of Four... > Well, here's the full story. Right around 1984 or so - that's when Grace Under Pressure came out for you Rush fans - the band started mentioning how much they liked the Police, Ultravox and Japan. So my friend the Rush fan - who had refused to listen to any of that music up to this point - started asking me about them, since I was a huge fan of all three. She then when out and bought every album by them - including a lot of the earlier stuff which I hadn't heard. Flash forward a couple of years, and I find her listening to "The Ideal Copy". I asked her "What's up with that? I thought you didn't like these guys", and she replied something along the lines that Rush had mentioned them, so she decided to check them out. As before, she went out and bought everything by Wire - including the 1977-79 albums, which I hadn't heard yet. So - that's as much as I know. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #282 *******************************