From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #276 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, September 22 2004 Volume 07 : Number 276 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Michael Clark - Swamp [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] Paul Wellers Next Covers LP ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Johnny Ramone loses cancer fight [Ari ] [idealcopy] Re: "New Wave" / French Films Blurred [Derek White ] RE: [idealcopy] OT: can somebody cheer me up? [Monochromatic Man ] Re: [idealcopy] But when did it become "nu wave"? [Miles Goosens ] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] But when did it become "nu wave"? [Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Michael Clark - Swamp For the culturally minded Michael Clark's ballet (with music by BCG) gets revived this autumn with a tour from Ballet Rambert. Dates where it will be performed are as follows (it would be appear that there are some dates where it isn't): THE AUTUMN 2004 TOURING SCHEDULE Wed 22 - Sat 25 September @ 7.30pm (matinee Thurs 23 @ 1.30pm) THE LOWRY, SALFORD Box Office: 0870 787 5790 Swamp (revival premiere), Five Brahms Waltzes, A Tragedy of Fashion, PreSentient Tues 19 - Sat 23 October @ 7.30pm (Matinee Thurs 21 @ 2pm) THEATRE ROYAL, NEWCASTLE Box Office: 0870 905 5060 Linear Remains, Five Brahms Waltzes, A Tragedy of Fashion, Swamp Tues 2 - Sat 6 November @ 7.30pm (inc Family matinee Sat 6 November @ 2.30pm) SADLERS WELLS, LONDON Box Office: 0870 737 7737 Swamp, Five Brahms Waltzes, Songs of a Wayfarer, Elsa Canasta Rambert Dance Company is an Associate Company of Sadlers Wells Wed 10 Fri 12 November @ 7.30pm EDINBURGH FESTIVAL THEATRE Box Office: 0131 529 6000 A Tragedy of Fashion, Swamp, Elsa Canasta Tues 16 - Sat 20 November @ 7.30pm THEATRE ROYAL BATH Box Office: 01225 448844 Reflection, Five Brahms Waltzes, Songs of a Wayfarer, Swamp Wed 1 - Sat 4 December @ 7.30pm THEATRE ROYAL, PLYMOUTH Box Office: 01752 267222 Five Brahms Waltzes, Swamp, A Tragedy of Fashion, Elsa Canasta kevin eden http://www.wireviews.com/wmo/index.html "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! 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Bad Cover Version - Pulp =20 =20 =20 [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of bl_yellow.gif] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of br_yellow.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:45:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Johnny Ramone loses cancer fight Hmm. That may indeed be possible, but I don't *personally* recall hearing or reading the term 'new wave' until punk per se was starting to 'mutate' , and I had that pegged late '77 at least. However, this may be imperfect recollection as a lot of braincells have gone up the hoover hose since then. Tell you what : I'll brave the hairy-arsed spiders that inhabit my loft, and blow the dust of ages off the box of NME's etc that I still have from that period, and see when *they* first utter the term 'new wave'........ Ari wrote: Derek wrote: - --- >> [** although whether pedants would say the latter was stylistically punk or 'new wave' is a moot point despite *that* particular term not entering the musical lexicon until v.late '77/early '78?]<< Try early-mid '76 matey.............Ari _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: say what? I am always amazed at the need that humans feel to try and read too much into too many things. Booga Booga the EVIL of number 11. :) The number 11 --- weird! 11 has become to be a very interesting number. It could be a forced coincidence, but in any case this is interesting. You decide for yourself: 1) New York City has 11 letters. 2) Afghanistan has 11 letters. 3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters. 4) George W. Bush has 11 letters. This could be a mere coincidence... (Could it be?) Now here is what is interesting... 1) New York is the State # 11 2) The first plane crushing against the Twin Towers was flight # 11. 3) Flight # 11 was carrying 92 passengers Adding this number gives us: 9+2=11. 4) Flight # 77 who also hit the towers, was carrying 65 passengers Adding this: 6+5=11. 5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11. Adding this: 9+1+1=11 6) The date is equal to the emergency number 911. Adding this: 9+1+1=11 Now we have a very upsetting piece.. 1) The total number of victims inside the planes are 254: 2+5+4=11 2) The day September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year: 2+5+4=11 3) After September 11, there are 111 days more to the end of the year. 4) The tragedy of 3/11/2004 in Madrid also adds to: 3+1+1+2+4=11. 5) The tragedy in Madrid happened 911 days after the tragedy of the Twin Towers __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Johnny Ramone loses cancer fight .. > >You're probably right Derek,I though you woz refering to the term 'Punk',which,of course,was in use years before the music genre...............nwa (new wave ari) > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:38:30 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: [idealcopy] "New Wave" / French Films Blurred Ari: >but I don't *personally* recall hearing or reading the term 'new wave' until punk per se was starting to 'mutate' , and I had that pegged late '77 at least. However, this may be imperfect recollection as a lot of braincells have gone up the hoover hose since then. > Tell you what : I'll brave the hairy-arsed spiders that inhabit my loft, and blow the dust of ages off the box of NME's etc that I still have from that period, and see when *they* first utter the term 'new wave'........ This may be trickier than it sounds... surely the term was borrowed from French Cinema("Nouvelle Vague"), from way before the punk era, right? Comparisons with that era must've been made vis a vis Eno, Roxy, Krautrock and any number of other artier bands and artists... if I scratched around in my own mental attic I'd probably be able to come up with some pre-punk songs which even reference those films and directors. - -Rex > > > Ari wrote: > Derek wrote: > --- > >> [** although whether pedants would say the latter > was stylistically punk or 'new wave' is a moot point > despite *that* particular term not entering the > musical lexicon until v.late '77/early '78?]<< > Try early-mid '76 matey.............Ari > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:06:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: say what? Ari wrote: I am always amazed at the need that humans feel to try and read too much into too many things. Booga Booga the EVIL of number 11. :) The tragedy in Madrid happened 911 days after the tragedy of the Twin Towers ///// Do we therefore conclude that there are obsessive numerologists at work in Osama Bin-Liner's nasty little cabal, then ? Much more likely, as you hinted, the human prediliction for finding patterns where none exist, imposing some sort of order on unrelated chaotic happenstance is at play........ The worrisome thing to me is that *someone* has so much time on their hands with nothing meaningful to fill it with that they've *actually* sat down and worked all this out.. New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: [idealcopy] Re: "New Wave" / French Films Blurred Rex Broome wrote: > Tell you what : I'll brave the hairy-arsed spiders that inhabit my loft, and blow the dust of ages off the box of NME's etc that I still have from that period, and see when *they* first utter the term 'new wave'........ This may be trickier than it sounds... surely the term was borrowed from French Cinema("Nouvelle Vague"), from way before the punk era, right? Comparisons with that era must've been made vis a vis Eno, Roxy, Krautrock and any number of other artier bands and artists... if I scratched around in my own mental attic I'd probably be able to come up with some pre-punk songs which even reference those films and directors. You're right,of course about the filmic reference.(Is that a word ? ;-) ) Perhaps I should have said "The term New Wave as specifically applied to contemporary music." vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:32:52 +0200 From: "Glenn & Cecile" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] More O.T/on freedom of speech Since you were citing quotes, Ari, have you seen this one ? "I always knew the Americans would bring electricity back to Baghdad. I just never thought they'd be shooting it up my ass." -Young Iraqi translator,Baghdad, November 2003 Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] rockpalast, virgin prunes and toucean - -1- And everyone of Wire has seen Abraham now. Thats a Dutch expression for becoming 50. Yes there could be maybe less talk about what to do and more about what happened. And then the human quality to change the past into a well to live with memory. Even if it is a little different then what really happened in the past. More to talk about what happened has already started with the fantastic release Wire on the box 1979. A DVD and CD from the Rockpalast WDR performance Wire did. I havent seen the DVD yet but the sound is great and even every word is understandable. What I do remember from my video-recordings of the program is the stamping with his feet by Colin. It looks like a kind of angry acting for giving their performance more power. But maybe it is just the way Colin likes to move on his riffs. In 1979 I havent seen this life on TV. I know there were the RockPalast Nights. And we had fun with them Black Uhuru, the Police, but there were also these old fashioned ZZ Top, Streetwalkers, and Nils Lofgren, Johnny Winter etc. This all was in the Gruggahalle in Essen GER. Wire is playing for a small audience in a studio. And a strange feeling indeed. A select audience used to listen to progressive rock music. Thats the word I believe. Sitting on chairs. And on stage there is the powerful Wire on a highly emotional level and singing how many dead or alive. Wie viel. Wie viel The crowd is nearly reacting. As I heard there is an interview made by Alan Bangs. I always thought he was from radio AFN, American Forces Network. My memory changed it probably . Yes, I think our Wim Kayzer could make a nice serie with beauty and consolation in mind about Wire. - -2- More talk about what happened are the reissues of the Virgin Prunes recordings. It is of course Colin who was connected to them . If I DieI Die was produced by him. Also the 7 inch Baby Turns Blue ( prod by CN)// Yeo (prod by the Yeomen) [Rough Trade RT119] the 12 inch The Faculties of A Broken Heart (prod. CN) // Chance Of A Lifetime (prod by Patrick P Brockleband III) [Rough Trade RT119T] Dont know if Patrick B. Brockleband III is an alter-ego from Colin, but funny name it is. And then to change the past into a well to live with memory for this moment is of course the remix done by Colin A 12 inch vinyl called Extended Play. Tracks: Pagan Love Song / Baby Turns Blue  Directors Cut (remix CN) / Twenty Tens // Greylight / Mad Bird In The Wood / Red Nettle Maybe nice Part of an interview Gavin Friday did and still to see on http://www.virginprunes.com/mute/ Question: In Rolf Vasellaris book The Faculties Of A Broken Heart, Dik explains that the band was unhappy with Colin Newmans production of the tracks on the "blue" side of the original vinyl album version of If I Die, I Die. Why choose him, of all people, to remix Baby Turns Blue if you hadnt been happy with his original work for you? Gavin: Yes, at the time we were unhappy with some of the Blue side, especially Walls of Jericho and Caucasian Walk. We always loved Baby Turns Blue, as we saw it as a pop song. We all loved his production on it. The brown side is magic. It was the bands aggressive vibe we felt was tamed down. Still, listening to the CD today, its pretty vibey. Colin did an amazing job all those years ago. It was no easy task working with the six of us way back then. Theme for Thought sounds amazing. So as regards the re-mix, he did a great job then, so better the devil you know And the new re-mix is fantastic - simple, very stripped down and addictive. I love it. Question: On the re-release of  If I Die, I Die the "blue" tracks sound much stronger. Did you make a conscious effort to change the sound of these specific tracks, or was this just a side-effect of the overall sound enhancement process? Gavin: I wanted all the music to sound strong. Its all down to the restoration and mastering. In many ways I feel the work in general was never properly mastered in the first place. To me, making the music sound the way we wanted it was by far my biggest goal with the re-issues. - -3- And the what to do right now? There is a new release on Swim records. Toucean : He Was Once Somebodys Baby Boy It is the soundtrack of a film made in and around Manchester the sleeve says. Not only the film, the music is also recorded in Manchester at the Northbeach Pizza Studios. The first link I made when I started listening was Rob Ellis: Music for the home vol.2. Early this year released on The Leaf Label, supported by PostEverything. Sati-esque Piano, better said keyboard, not slow this time, minimal changed sound. But thats the beginning. A tremeloe is often used and Lobe shows up as association. Dont know what to say about . It is a short album, 6 tracks 35 minutes. Nice keyboard electronics. And there will be a Githead EP. Has anyone heard already somehting? There is already the John Duncan/Graham Lewis release Presence on All Questions What has happened with the Red Kettel Bruce was telling about more then a year ago in mixing it? And next weekend I see CM von Hausswolff doing Amsterdam Sonic Acts. Would be nice he is telling something about Ocsid, or GmbH np once a question of degree j Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:18:14 +0100 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Johnny Ramone loses cancer fight Being pretty active in things at that period, New Wave started in late 77 when the Record Companies started signing up oddities like Elvis Costello and realised that he didn't really fit into the Sex Pistols/Clash axis. The Police were another example. However naff in hindsight, the term did fit the times as there were lots of new sounds and artists which were clearly not Punk. Wire were 'new wave' by Chairs Missing. Course New Wave was supposed to in turn be replaced by Power Pop. I can remember watching some dreadful band called Advertising who led this throwback to the sixties pop bands. It didn't last long. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek White" To: "Ari" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Johnny Ramone loses cancer fight > Hmm. That may indeed be possible, but I don't *personally* recall hearing > or reading the term 'new wave' until punk per se was starting to 'mutate' > , and I had that pegged late '77 at least. However, this may be imperfect > recollection as a lot of braincells have gone up the hoover hose since > then. > Tell you what : I'll brave the hairy-arsed spiders that inhabit my loft, > and blow the dust of ages off the box of NME's etc that I still have from > that period, and see when *they* first utter the term 'new wave'........ > > > Ari wrote: > Derek wrote: > --- >>> [** although whether pedants would say the latter > was stylistically punk or 'new wave' is a moot point > despite *that* particular term not entering the > musical lexicon until v.late '77/early '78?]<< > Try early-mid '76 matey.............Ari > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:44:50 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] OT: popped & waved Power pop was the natural progression from new wave. There were some good bands that fit into both of those catagories; The Hitmen, the Silencers (early eighties version), Fischer Z, Fingerprintz, Yachts, the Undertones, the Only Ones, the Motors, etc... Seems like a lot of them only hit the charts once or twice. Some of them even managed to squeeze out a few lps. Then a great comet or asteroid hit the music scene and it mutated into the new romantics. By the time this hit the US, punk and new wave were all lumped in together. That's when you saw the made for tv punks with their spray painted hair. I really enjoyed the power pop cause it was upbeat. No lame ballads here. my 2p wnd3 --- "j.hobson" wrote: > Being pretty active in things at that period, New > Wave started in late 77 > when the Record Companies started signing up > oddities like Elvis Costello > and realised that he didn't really fit into the Sex > Pistols/Clash axis. The > Police were another example. > > However naff in hindsight, the term did fit the > times as there were lots of > new sounds and artists which were clearly not Punk. > Wire were 'new wave' by > Chairs Missing. > > Course New Wave was supposed to in turn be replaced > by Power Pop. I can > remember watching some dreadful band called > Advertising who led this > throwback to the sixties pop bands. It didn't last > long. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek White" > To: "Ari" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Johnny Ramone loses > cancer fight > > > > Hmm. That may indeed be possible, but I don't > *personally* recall hearing > > or reading the term 'new wave' until punk per se > was starting to 'mutate' > > , and I had that pegged late '77 at least. > However, this may be imperfect > > recollection as a lot of braincells have gone up > the hoover hose since > > then. > > Tell you what : I'll brave the hairy-arsed > spiders that inhabit my loft, > > and blow the dust of ages off the box of NME's etc > that I still have from > > that period, and see when *they* first utter the > term 'new wave'........ > > > > > > Ari wrote: > > Derek wrote: > > --- > >>> [** although whether pedants would say the > latter > > was stylistically punk or 'new wave' is a moot > point > > despite *that* particular term not entering the > > musical lexicon until v.late '77/early '78?]<< > > Try early-mid '76 matey.............Ari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:24:55 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: can somebody cheer me up? Ok, I'm a lot better now. Thanks to everyone. I went out yesterday afternoon and I already have a few prospects lined up. Wallowing in self pity doesn't get you anywhere. It's the way it was done that really bothers me. I showed up for work yesterday and was told I was being let go. Where is the loyalty? You bust your ass for someone and they can't even give you notice... Cheers, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:55:52 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: [idealcopy] But when did it become "nu wave"? j.hobson: > Being pretty active in things at that period, New Wave started in late 77 > when the Record Companies started signing up oddities like Elvis Costello > and realised that he didn't really fit into the Sex Pistols/Clash axis. The > Police were another example. > > However naff in hindsight, the term did fit the times as there were lots of > new sounds and artists which were clearly not Punk. Wire were 'new wave' by > Chairs Missing. Oddly, though, the first bunch of bands tagged "new wave" largely predated the more codified (self-proclaimed) "punk" bands like the Pistols/Damned/Clash etc., although all the albums kind of came out at the same time-- I'm thinking of Talking Heads, Blondie, Devo, Television, etc. who sorta came out of the punk "scene" but didn't sound "punk" per se. But yeah, at first it seemed to mean "modern-sounding in a non-punk way that probably couldn't exist without punk". As it shook out over the late '70's and early '80's, the next bunch of bands that seemed to fit the above description seemed to get tagged "post-punk", whereas the term "new wave" somehow moved over, at least in the US, to the poppier end of the spectrum. Instinctively I wanna say you needed keyboards and more likely than not drum machines to be really remembered as "new wave" at the end of the day: compare any compilations purporting to cover either new wave or post-punk and see what you come up with. Pretty meaningless labels in the end, although it's kind of interesting to track how they evolved and all that... - -Rex, carefully avoiding value judgments about the above on a list moderated by Miles - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:46:23 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Johnny Ramone loses cancer fight Actually, I remember the term "New Wave" being used in America around 76/77 to describe Sire Records bands, i.e. Talking Heads, Richard Hell, Dead Boys, Ramones and the like (Blondie, Cars, Devo, B52's) as a marketing term because "punk rock" was a consumer turn-off sg http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.hobson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Johnny Ramone loses cancer fight > Being pretty active in things at that period, New Wave started in late 77 > when the Record Companies started signing up oddities like Elvis Costello > and realised that he didn't really fit into the Sex Pistols/Clash axis. The > Police were another example. > > However naff in hindsight, the term did fit the times as there were lots of > new sounds and artists which were clearly not Punk. Wire were 'new wave' by > Chairs Missing. > > Course New Wave was supposed to in turn be replaced by Power Pop. I can > remember watching some dreadful band called Advertising who led this > throwback to the sixties pop bands. It didn't last long. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek White" > To: "Ari" ; > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Johnny Ramone loses cancer fight > > > > Hmm. That may indeed be possible, but I don't *personally* recall hearing > > or reading the term 'new wave' until punk per se was starting to 'mutate' > > , and I had that pegged late '77 at least. However, this may be imperfect > > recollection as a lot of braincells have gone up the hoover hose since > > then. > > Tell you what : I'll brave the hairy-arsed spiders that inhabit my loft, > > and blow the dust of ages off the box of NME's etc that I still have from > > that period, and see when *they* first utter the term 'new wave'........ > > > > > > Ari wrote: > > Derek wrote: > > --- > >>> [** although whether pedants would say the latter > > was stylistically punk or 'new wave' is a moot point > > despite *that* particular term not entering the > > musical lexicon until v.late '77/early '78?]<< > > Try early-mid '76 matey.............Ari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:18:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: popped & waved I connect powerpop mostly with the american bands like you mentioned The Romantics, The Knack . A result from the punk attitude was the start of lot of independents. I do what I like or If I Die I Die so to say attitude. This gave the music a lot of new possibilities. Not acting anymore for the big companies. I associate that with a new wave. But then small independents became bigger and important. Also the majors copied some acts and the new wave became hype. And then terrible acts like Kajagoogoo, Duran Duran were coming. I have an elpee called Meet The New Punk Wave: with Wire, the Stranglers, Buzzcocks, the Saints on it. Power pop was the natural progression from new wave. There were some good bands that fit into both of those catagories; The Hitmen, the Silencers (early eighties version), Fischer Z, Fingerprintz, Yachts, the Undertones, the Only Ones, the Motors, etc... Seems like a lot of them only hit the charts once or twice. Some of them even managed to squeeze out a few lps. Then a great comet or asteroid hit the music scene and it mutated into the new romantics. By the time this hit the US, punk and new wave were all lumped in together. That's when you saw the made for tv punks with their spray painted hair. I really enjoyed the power pop cause it was upbeat. No lame ballads here. my 2p wnd3 - --- "j.hobson" wrote: > Being pretty active in things at that period, New > Wave started in late 77 > when the Record Companies started signing up > oddities like Elvis Costello > and realised that he didn't really fit into the Sex > Pistols/Clash axis. The > Police were another example. > > However naff in hindsight, the term did fit the > times as there were lots of > new sounds and artists which were clearly not Punk. > Wire were 'new wave' by > Chairs Missing. > > Course New Wave was supposed to in turn be replaced > by Power Pop. I can > remember watching some dreadful band called > Advertising who led this > throwback to the sixties pop bands. It didn't last > long. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek White" > To: "Ari" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Johnny Ramone loses > cancer fight > > > > Hmm. That may indeed be possible, but I don't > *personally* recall hearing > > or reading the term 'new wave' until punk per se > was starting to 'mutate' > > , and I had that pegged late '77 at least. > However, this may be imperfect > > recollection as a lot of braincells have gone up > the hoover hose since > > then. > > Tell you what : I'll brave the hairy-arsed > spiders that inhabit my loft, > > and blow the dust of ages off the box of NME's etc > that I still have from > > that period, and see when *they* first utter the > term 'new wave'........ > > > > > > Ari wrote: > > Derek wrote: > > --- > >>> [** although whether pedants would say the > latter > > was stylistically punk or 'new wave' is a moot > point > > despite *that* particular term not entering the > > musical lexicon until v.late '77/early '78?]<< > > Try early-mid '76 matey.............Ari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > > http://vote.yahoo.com > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:16:48 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] But when did it become "nu wave"? At 12:55 PM 9/21/2004 -0800, Rex Broome wrote: >-Rex, carefully avoiding value judgments about the above on a list moderated >by Miles Rex, search the archives for "crap '80s bands" and you'll see that no one else worries about that! And yes, I really am going to buy that reissue of a Flock of Seagulls' LISTEN when I hit a record store today or tomorrow. :-) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:33:55 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] tucker & rev You may recall I mentioned a week or so back that the Raveonettes had got MoTucker in on one of their sessions. And then I read this... "Today we had Martin Rev from Suicide come in and lay down some erie & apocalyptic sounds." (is that eerie?) Christ. They seem to be working their way through my fave bands! They'll be asking Graham to guest on bass next!! Keith np Lali Puna - micronomic ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:11:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] But when did it become "nu wave"? > --- Miles Goosens wrote: > > > > > And yes, I really am going to buy that reissue of > a > > Flock of Seagulls' LISTEN when I hit a record > store > > today or tomorrow. :-) > > > > later, > > > > Miles > reliving your youth old man? Ari (a flock of > seagulls > for chrissake mutter mutter).............. > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:32:08 -0700 From: fernando Subject: [idealcopy] Flocking those Seagulls (was: But when did it become "nu wave"?) Gosh... I thought this was a joke, alas, it is for real. May be it is just a a way to lure any aFoS fans to admitting it... but yeah, I will get that album as well. Somehow the Paul Reynolds guitar work made me not dismiss them, despite the haircuts and "I Ran" over exposure. The first and third albums can use some remastering as well. hahahahahahha. cheers! - -fernando PS I still think that New Order should get off their asses and do those 2CD re-issues for each album. On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:16:48 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: > And yes, I really am going to buy that reissue of a Flock of Seagulls' LISTEN when I hit a record store today or tomorrow. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:10:23 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Flocking those Seagulls (was: But when did it become "nu wave"?) At 03:32 PM 9/21/2004 -0700, fernando wrote: >The first and third albums can use some remastering as well. hahahahahahha. According to those fly-by-night folks at the previously list-mentioned http://www.idealcopy.com (who pay not a red cent to Colin or me!), they're reissuing the third one next week. The first one apparently remains the property of the record company and thus retains its craptacular late-'80s CD sound... >PS I still think that New Order should get off their asses and do >those 2CD re-issues for each album. Amen! If the Pet Shop Boys can do it... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:39:35 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] But when did it become "nu wave"? At 03:07 PM 9/21/2004 -0700, Ari wrote: >reliving your youth old man? Ari (a flock of seagulls >for chrissake mutter mutter).............. Their singles were darn fine ("Wishing" and "I Ran" in particular), and Paul Reynolds was a dazzling guitarist, one who deserved a better band. They sure beat Crap '90s Bands! Incidentally, VH-1 Classic keeps showing a Blondie live clip for "Dreaming" filmed on some TV show (possibly a European one?) in '80 or '81. People are seated to the side and above the stage, and there's a guy sitting over the middle of the stage who has fully anticipated Mike Score's trademark haircut. However, Mike Score comes across as a jerk. He's lost his accent (and his singing voice) and looks like a fat biker headed to a Steelers game -- totally unrecognizable when "A Flock of Seagulls" (Score + a bunch of metal/goth looking guys) performed on the G4 awards show last year. Heck, even with his old mates on VH-1's BANDS REUNITED, he seemed totally useless. But poor nervous, nutty Reynolds collected his wits and hit every cue flawlessly. Basically he and Frank Maudsley ought to get a keyboardist, let Frank sing, and tour as "A Pair of Seagulls" or something. Ari Score looked exactly the same and despite living in the US South, had most of his accent intact. Hm, Ari... in NC... the gig's up, pal! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:53:48 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Flocking those Seagulls (was: But when did it become "nu wave"?) > According to those fly-by-night folks at the > previously list-mentioned http://www.idealcopy.com > (who pay not a red cent to Colin or me!), they're > reissuing the third one next week. The first one > apparently remains the property of the record > company and thus retains its craptacular late-'80s > CD sound... I can't say anything bad about theidealcopy.com I've been talking with Jason regarding some reissues. EMI seems happy somebody is interested in their back catalogue. It can be very difficult working on some of these projects. Especially after the copyright has changed hands a few times. I'm still unsure why he chose that name for his site? wnd3 ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:34:09 -0500 From: Doug Wittner Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Flocking those Seagulls (was: But when did it become "nu wave"?) > I'm still unsure why he chose that name for his site? i think because they used to carry only the most 'ideal copy' of each CD...that is, there are obviously some reissues out there less ideal than others...not remastered, no bonus tracks, crappy artwork, etc...so he prided himself on carrying 'the ideal copy' of each title. though i see from his catalog that recently that with some titles he carries several supposed 'ideal copies' of some things....the original idea was good, though... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:03:55 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Flocking those Seagulls (was: But when did it become "nu wave"?) Now the Flocks come out of the woodwork. I noticed that Listen is next week, and then Oct for the some album without Paul Reynolds, not the third one. The third one was The Story of a Young At Heart, which is hard to find (German CD release). The site is also wrong in implying that Listen was an import-only CD... best that I can recall, so I could be wrong. But, thanks for the site link... forgot about the Go-Betweens re-issues, didn't know about the Clash's reissue... and all of the Bahaus (having sold my stash not long ago). cheers! - -fernando PS yeah, the PSB reissues were nice... N.O. could do better with some demos, vs. the PSB remixes... though I am sure that for some we will get a lot of remixes. On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:10:23 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 03:32 PM 9/21/2004 -0700, fernando wrote: > >The first and third albums can use some remastering as well. hahahahahahha. > > According to those fly-by-night folks at the previously list-mentioned http://www.idealcopy.com (who pay not a red cent to Colin or me!), they're reissuing the third one next week. The first one apparently remains the property of the record company and thus retains its craptacular late-'80s CD sound... > > >PS I still think that New Order should get off their asses and do > >those 2CD re-issues for each album. > > Amen! If the Pet Shop Boys can do it... > > later, > > Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:25:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Flocking those Seagulls (was: But when did it become "nu wave"?) Monochromatic Man sez: >I can't say anything bad about theidealcopy.com I was really just joking re: "fly by night" because of the company's name. They carry Wire stuff too, and I wish them all the best. I have yet to buy something directly from them, but I already have a few Superfecta releases and I've been very pleased with them. Really, I'm actually thrilled that someone is doing this sort of work, what with me being the poster boy for '80s Crap Band Fandom 'n' all! later, Miles "How about Simon F's GUN?" Goosens ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #276 *******************************