From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #266 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, September 10 2004 Volume 07 : Number 266 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] OT: My Favourite ["Adrian Cooke" ] Re: [idealcopy] way OT: Franz Ferdinand win the Mercury Music Pri ze ["j.] [idealcopy] J.hobson sed..... [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] Flatpack studio assembly: Read and Burn 3 ? [Tim Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: My Favourite Very helpful, thank you! Adrian www.hungryaudio.tk - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Astbury [mailto:keith.indoorminer@virgin.net] Sent: 09 September 2004 01:42 To: Adrian Cooke; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: My Favourite > I recall a while ago somebody talking about the band My Favourite and singing > their praises. I can't remember who was discussing it unfortunately, but I've > just been offered to do a single with them on my label and wanted to gauge > what reaction their first UK release might get? > > Any thoughts anybody? It was Michael (Rain) who was singing their praises. I like what I've heard by them, but then I like frothy-ish pop. They're very early 80's sounding - Working Class Jacket for example sounds like The Wild Swans - the vocals are *very* Paul Simpson - but with that A Town Called Malice beat. With Dolly Mixture on backing vocals. And it namedrops The Smiths! You might notice all those reference points are British. Does that help? Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 02:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Flatpack studio assembly Derek asked: For my own part, I'd *really* like to see some work recorded that wasn't done in the "cut'n'paste" flat-pack self assemble kit form. I understand that the last time the band recorded all together in the studio was for '154', and I believe that it's no accident that the most highly regarded of Wire's albums ie the first 3 were ALL recorded in this manner. Thoughts ?? ((( I think the cut'n'paste will, for the most part, be the modus operandi for the forseeable, and this shouldn't necessarily be seen as a bad thing, as it allows for a considerable amount of creative freedom, whilst overcoming the obvious hurdle of geographical proximity and schedule synchronisation. I think extended periods in the studio for the entire band are definitely a thing of the past. In the Rockpalast interview they mention spending six weeks together on Chairs Missing, and potentially another six on 154. Just can't imagine these kind of timescales now. I think R&B03 will push the boat out a bit from the other two, but it will be a balancing act between what's possible in the studio and what can be reproduced live. But then perhaps the live format might need to be reconsidered accordingly. Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:03:58 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: [idealcopy] way OT: Franz Ferdinand win the Mercury Music Pri ze At 09:30 09/09/2004, Keith wrote: >Oops. I mean The Streets [1]. > >[1] Fun sure, you'll remember them kindly in years to come, but is that not >a whiff of novelty I smell in the air ; ) Actually, it's not. Really. Speaking as someone who was deeply skeptical of the whole cheeky-chappy-with-a-heart-of-gold thing when it first happened - at least partly, I suspect, because I'm deeply skeptical of anything that's nearly hip hop rather than actually hip hop - I've had to admit that I got it very wrong. "A Grand..." is just a fantastic pop record, like people used to make when I were a lad. It's fun, yes. But it's so much more than that: it's got stories, themes, jokes, observations, truths, and they weave in and out, repeat and progress as the album unfolds. It's got the best dissection of a relationship since, well, pretty much nothing that I've ever heard: from the excitement of the first date, through domestic contentment, betrayal, break-up and, ultimately, a hint of a new dawn, each described with heartfelt and sometimes heartbreaking honesty. You'll laugh, you'll cry.... To be honest, and I know that this probably sounds daft in the current circumstances, but I don't think that he gets the credit that he deserves. The Streets make guileless records, and that's meant as a compliment. But he's a deeply talented writer, to my mind: he has a way of perfectly capturing a vivid, cinematic image with just a few well-chosen, casually-phrased words, and he towers above most of his contemporaries in that respect. He just makes it look easy, that's all. Not my favourite record of the year thus far - Bigg Jus, take a bow - but not far from it. The profile and hype might not be the same, but I've little doubt that Skinner'll be more than a fond memory in the future. If not, it'll be a loss. Cheers, ig. np. Skinnyman - Council Estate of Mind - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 06/09/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 04:56:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Flatpack studio assembly: Read and Burn 3 ? Fergus Kelly wrote: Derek asked: For my own part, I'd *really* like to see some work recorded that wasn't done in the "cut'n'paste" flat-pack self assemble kit form. I understand that the last time the band recorded all together in the studio was for '154', and I believe that it's no accident that the most highly regarded of Wire's albums ie the first 3 were ALL recorded in this manner. Thoughts ?? ((( I think the cut'n'paste will, for the most part, be the modus operandi for the forseeable, and this shouldn't necessarily be seen as a bad thing, as it allows for a considerable amount of creative freedom, whilst overcoming the obvious hurdle of geographical proximity and schedule synchronisation. I think extended periods in the studio for the entire band are definitely a thing of the past. In the Rockpalast interview they mention spending six weeks together on Chairs Missing, and potentially another six on 154. Just can't imagine these kind of timescales now. Yeah, I've more or less come to the same conclusion myself , although I was hoping against hope that they could find a window in which they could work in the more 'traditional' way, although I fully understand that since we are talking grown men here with lives of their own and all *that* entails, and solo projects, other collaborations and Colin and Malka's custodianship of Swim, I quite concede that may be a problem, quite apart from geographic separation. Although on the other hand, they can find the time for live dates, so if a bit of pre-production / preparation was done, need it drag out for six weeks? The chief benefit that I see coming from such hothouse conditions as a studio session are that ideas that are either a bit 'thin' or otherwise not seen as quite such a good idea as they did yesterday can be kicked in to touch, or re-modelled on an ongoing basis. It's a bit less likely to happen that a loop that doesn't really work full stop, or at least , when sat in the middle of a mix doesn't work, can and would be dropped in a heartbeat, and the next idea pulled out of the hat. I think it'd be less likely for such stringent 'quality control' to assert itself, if Colin , Graham, Bruce or Robert had just spent a fair investment of time pruning or stretching the loop to fit, then either mailing it or attaching a soundfile for e-transfer, as you wouldn't want to waste all that time and effort on something, only for it to wind up on the cutting-room floor, so to speak. With the instant feedback of face to face collaboration, I contend that the snappier process would naturally lead the band to be more ruthless with quality control, and we'd wind up with all Killer & no filler. As I've said previously, I believe "Nice Streets Above" and "Half Eaten" fall into the latter category. Also, I think there would *perhaps* be more variations in mood and texture with 'live' collaboration? I've got to make it clear that I consider *any* release by Wire per se to be better than *no* release, but I still think that the process to some degree necessarily imposes constraints on the shape of the final product that betray the records origins & modus operandi, that wouldn't be manifest if they could get together even for one week. I think R&B03 will push the boat out a bit from the other two, but it will be a balancing act between what's possible in the studio and what can be reproduced live. But then perhaps the live format might need to be reconsidered accordingly. Fergus ////// IT probably will, and you're right I think about the 'balancing act'. I'm sure it'll be worth waiting for, whatever. I must go and listen to Send / R&B, and try to illustrate what I mean about the 'trademarks' of cut'n'paste. Anyone else ? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:03:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] anyone else? must go and listen to Send / R&B, and try to illustrate what I mean about the 'trademarks' of cut'n'paste. Anyone else ? I too hope the next offing from the lads would be a studio production,they seem to have a more 'immediate' feel about them,and suggestions/ideas/disagreements can be worked on and reworked whilste the iron is still hot so to speak. Who knows,they might actually like working together in a studio again if they'd but give it a try. (I'd love to be 'there' if they did).Ari _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:58:21 +0100 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] way OT: Franz Ferdinand win the Mercury Music Pri ze Can't help thinking it's the kiss of death for any artist to win the Mercury and I was glad that the Streets lost the first time as well. The shock of hearing an English voice rapping was quite shocking at first but it seems to have allowed the new generation of Brit rappers (Dizzy, Estelle etc) to start coming out with a more distinctive Brit sound. FF is a genuinely good record. One of judges hit it on the nail saying that despite the whiffs of the past it could only have been written/made in the past few years. Just hope they don't do a Roni Size ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:26:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] J.hobson sed..... >>FF is a genuinely good record. One of judges hit it on the nail saying that despite the whiffs of the past it could only have been written/made in the past few years. Just hope they don't do a Roni Size << MUCH prefer Original pirate material meself.........Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:59:18 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Flatpack studio assembly: Read and Burn 3 ? > Fergus > > ////// IT probably will, and you're right I think about the > 'balancing act'. I'm sure it'll be worth waiting for, whatever. > > I must go and listen to Send / R&B, and try to illustrate what I mean > about the 'trademarks' of cut'n'paste. > > Anyone else ? > Its very obvious that the guitar parts are sampled and looped, and reconstituted from other material. (But then I am used to listening to sampled music.) Perhaps they could record & write the material in the same manner, but then get together as a beat combo and blitz through it "Live" for a week or so, to cut the final mix. Thus getting a balance between the convenience of the cut&paste method, and the more immediate, dynamic sound of the group peforming together....and perhaps taking the songs in a different direction. Wire do seem to be taking a break now, solo projects and the like so I suspect R&B3 may be longer coming than we think. Looks like there will be Swim activity and more stuff from the archives to tide us over.... Would love to see 'Wire on the Box Volume 2'! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #266 *******************************