From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #260 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, September 4 2004 Volume 07 : Number 260 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Move singer Carl Wayne dies at 61 [Derek White ] [idealcopy] O.T: Bushed (agin') [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Instant Automatons [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Wire on Billboard [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Move singer Carl Wayne dies at 61 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >>I know I'm not the only Move fan here. His middle eight on Fire Brigade = is still one of my fave moments in pop.<< Very sad news. The Move's records still sound a lot sharper than many of their contemporaries. Also among Move fans is Mark E Smith - the Fall have recently been covering I can hear the grass grow... //// As someone who, in his time, has also sung & played bad versions of "I can hear the grass grow", I'm saddened by this, too. As Mr B opined above, a lot of Move records still sound fine to me, too. The intro riff to 'Brontosaurus' is one of my fave intros on *any* single. (Had CW left by then?) The Move had a pretty inauspicous start on the London circuit in their early days , as they (& their fans) were pretty much despised by the UFO crowd whom they tried to attach themselves to. They were widely perceived to be mohair-clad opportunist bandwagon jumpers with their take on 'psychedelia' . Still turned out well-crafted pop tunes for me though. As regards the late Carl Wayne, I *could* have lived without his 'crooner' period, (being the 'house singer' on some godawful early day-time BBC magazine program like 'Pebble Mill' or something ? ) Carl Wayne fact - it's him singing on the 'Gillette, the best a man can get' ad. Spotted some stuff last year about him playing in "the Hollies" - almost a tribute band - no Graham Nash or Allan Clarke - but with the original drummer & lead guitarist as well as, improbably, Ray Stiles out of Mud on bass. And yes, they play Tiger Feet. Mark Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:39:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why the beat is in my Feat (was Wire On The Box Is Here) MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: Never seen any merit in Little Feat. Could never understand why John Peel was always hammering on about them; playing their records instead of the latest Instant Automatons ep or some such; blubbering when Lowell George (a man with his name on back-to-front) died etc. Lumpy beats like a club-footed dancer. Overdose of "authenticity". Deeply musoid.... I can understand why that might appeal, but it does nothing for me. Fair enough. ;-)..... To be honest, quite *why* I like L. Feat so much is a bit of a mystery and indeed surprise to me, too, as normally I tend to avoid this kind of stuff like the plague !! (ie very 'American' songs about truck-stops & other sundry 'blues/life-on-the-road' cliches. However, in the case of LF, I think they do it with such infectious panache, I just find it hard to resist. I didn't get them *at all* for years, then I heard side Dixie Chicken's side 1 close-out track "Kiss it off" and a penny dropped. Less than a month later, Lowell George turned his toes up! I suppose what I like about them is the very things you seem to dislike:- the shuffling beat they have down pat is a blessed relief to me from listening to too much stuff recorded with either drum machine/sequenced drums, or drums 'corrected' by Pro-Tools or whatever. That lolloping gait I find infectious, and gets my feet a-twitchin'. I even like that 'Texas cat-house' piano stuff, too. Not to mention, a hangover from pre-77 tastes:- I *do* like to hear a well-played slide guitar, and Lowell George was one of the best, (as is his 'replacement' in the current, nearly-original incarnation, Craig Lee Fuller.) As I said, I normally take very big steps away from this kinda thing, but that 'authenticity' you find grating, I like. As for the charge of LF being 'deeply musoid', we-eelll, I can't really argue with that, so I should probably plead guilty in this particular case. Just think of it as my version of 'Easy listening', M'lud..........;-) > Keith A said: > (I don't get LF either. They're a bit Whisperin' Bob, aren't they. Prefer Robert Palmer myself!)<< //// Yeah, the Whispering one was always banging on about them, and it's true to say he championed their cause greatly in the UK when they first toured with the Doobie Bros [retch], and indeed still plays'em on his radio show.......but don't hold that agin them... Then Ari chimed in....... > Me I like both,though I no longer have any L.F I still have a couple of Robert Palmer concerts,great loss to the music world when he died,especially the second time. //// The SECOND time?? What's that about Ari ? Was he stitched together, then hauled up on a lab table into a lightning storm or something, Ari ?? Do tell........:-0 New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:52:20 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why the beat is in my Feat (was Wire On The Box Is Here) On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 06:39:27AM -0700, Derek White wrote: > Fair enough. ;-)..... To be honest, quite *why* I like L. Feat so > much is a bit of a mystery and indeed surprise to me, too, as > normally I tend to avoid this kind of stuff like the plague !! (ie > very 'American' songs about truck-stops & other sundry > 'blues/life-on-the-road' cliches. However, in the case of LF, I > think they do it with such infectious panache, I just find it hard > to resist. I didn't get them *at all* for years, then I heard side > Dixie Chicken's side 1 close-out track "Kiss it off" and a penny > dropped. Less than a month later, Lowell George turned his toes up! Same reason I like Jim O'Rourke's album "Insignificance" so much; though I suspect J o'R is rather more arch about his use of the southern/blues- rock cliches, being (as far as I can tell) an incorrigible smart-alec.[1] I've never got it, but I reckon the appeal (presumably there is some :) ) of ZZ Top and AC/DC is much the same kind of thing. - - A (All together now; "Well, if it helps you cope / You can call me a misanthrope...") [1] yes, I know I'm a fine one to talk... - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:52:24 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Time water - Mclusky fun & games Enjoy! http://clients.haminthefridge.net/bgr/v0/ ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Derek asked........... >>The SECOND time?? What's that about Ari ? Was he stitched together, then hauled up on a lab table into a lightning storm or something, Ari ?? Do tell.<< There was an eronerous news report some years before Robert died that he'd been killed in (I think) a car crash,it was robert palkmer but not 'the' robert palmer...........so he wasn't a cat after all.Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Bushed (agin') http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:43:42 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here >>Funny you should mention this:- the guy in question, Mike Fiddler, came blurting out of my radio just the other day on an 'oldies' show, with Med Head's 2nd chart single 'Rising Sun'. << John Fiddler (/pedant off) >>Strange but true:- Med Head were ,I think, John Peel's first signing to his very own 'Dandelion' records label in the early / mid 70's..........they subsequently sank pretty much without trace....:-) However, that, and 'Pictures in the Sky' the other chart single are their (thin) footprint. << Er, One and one is one went top 3... >>For sheer looks it's got to go to the chap from Medecine Head with frizzy hair & jews harp (Top Of The Pops).<< John Fiddler was the singer, not the bloke playing the jews harp. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:50:51 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Instant Automatons >>Nice one! This is the first mention of the Instant Automatons I've spotted on the list.<< Could just as easily picked an other obscure Peel fave from the ether! >>Great band that I enjoyed loads during my "Cassette Music/Free Music" phase in the early eighties. Still got all the tapes and odd 7 inch.<< Presumably the 'Peter paints his fence' ep, on the marvellous Fuck Off Records label. They're also on the 'Weird Noise' EP from the same label - has several bands on it (including Danny & the Dressmakers - basically Graham Massey pre-Biting Tongues/808 State) with no track separation so you can't identify individual songs.... >>The enthusiasm that whole scene inspired in me I recognize in some of the home-grown mp3 label sites that I see popping up nowadays.<< Really existed only in a cassette world - rarely made it on to vinyl. It was the ultimate DIY scene - bands that couldn't really play at all, swapping home-made tapes. Only a few made EPs, usually culled from the best of their cassette albums. One of my favourites is What is Oil?'s Human Suffering EP, though this sadly doesn't include their classic dub track 'Jah light shine in a natty Hornchurch'. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 20:55:24 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] Wire on Billboard Nothing new here, but nice to see them mentioned: http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000623728 wnd3 ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:56:27 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] We Fenced Other Gardens With The Bones Of Our Own >>Whoa, The Liars and Blonde Redhead... on one night?? And you're not going to regret missing that Eric?? Never even heard of Clinic... they that good?<< I'd say cut down on the beer this month and do both gigs - Liars were excellent earlier this year - they've changed a lot since the first album, and now are just a 3-piece with no bass. Less 'in yer face' but sonically more interesting. I've also been enjoying the new BR album recently - the single Equus is really good - and am quite tempted to go and see them in London this month.. Clinic are pretty good live - they seem to have two songs - a fast, noisy guitar one and a slower synthy sequenced one. And they do wear silly surgical masks. But Walking with Thee is a very decent album, and the latest single (The Magician) is more of the same - it's the fast noisy guitar one again , a bit like 'Evil Bill'. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:11:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Totally OT, but excellent! Check out Councillor Eileen Kinnear, Harrow on the Hill conservative. Is she wearing glasses or not? _http://www2.harrow.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.asp_ (http://www2.harrow.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.asp) Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:08:41 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why the beat is in my Feat (was Wire On The Box Is Here) >>Same reason I like Jim O'Rourke's album "Insignificance" so much; though I suspect J o'R is rather more arch about his use of the southern/blues- rock cliches, being (as far as I can tell) an incorrigible smart-alec.[1]<< Well that wasone of my favourite albums of a couple of years ago, and I wouldn't have made any connection to Little Feat. It's more Lynyrd Skynyrd - -moving-into Brian Wilson, and as you say, as arch as hell. JO'R is (kind of) the Todd Rundgren de nos jours - uncategorisable, immensely talented, knows his way round a studio, etc - though without the rock star charisma... He's rejuvenated Sonic Youth by putting some structure into their noise, turned a pretty bland alt-country band (Wilco) into the American Radiohead (this is a good thing BTW) and his solo albums are eclectic to say the least (compare Insignificance and I'm happy and I'm singing and a 1,2,3). I've said it before, but I wonder what Jim would make of producing Wire.... >>I've never got it, but I reckon the appeal (presumably there is some :) ) of ZZ Top and AC/DC is much the same kind of thing.<< Both those bands are a lot more direct and simple in terms of structure than Liottle Feat (if that's what you mean). LF produced a kind of lumpy, shuffling blues-funk, which sounds as if every band member is playing his own, unrelated noodling riff. As I said, I can see why that might have an appeal, but it leaves me cold... >>- A (All together now; "Well, if it helps you cope / You can call me a misanthrope...") [1] yes, I know I'm a fine one to talk...<< And in one so young. Not that I was ever like that. Oh no. Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 21:27:17 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why the beat is in my Feat (was Wire On The Box Is Here) > //// Yeah, the Whispering one was always banging on about them, and it's true to say he championed their cause greatly in the UK when they first toured with the Doobie Bros [retch], and indeed still plays'em on his radio show....... Yeah, I heard him play them only last week! Actually, I was interested in hearing them, because I hadn't heard them in a long time, and although not my cup of tea (apart from Long Distance Love) I wondered what I'd think of them now. Dunno what the track was but...it was rubbish basically. Call me old-fashioned, but if I'm gonna have to listen to country I guess I'd rather have some blonde woman with big hair and matching breasts than lots of fat earnest men showing off their musical prowess. Whilst on a country-ish sort of thread, there's several tracks on the latest Cucumbers album that are really good if you like that sort of things. They're supposed to be like the Sundays, but they have a much more country-ish feel to them - the singer, Deena, has a special quality to her voice on the slowies, though. Keith np Applecraft - shining on the hill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 21:44:55 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] a new punk classic ? Came across this great review of Send on t'internet. The "a new punk = classic ?" question is their's btw, not mine... i never really took much notice of wire they always seemed on the = peripheries of the punk stuff i heard, i was, after all only 12 years = old in 1977 and the pistols were a much more immediate thrill, they were = all over and the papers your mum and dad hated them and i wasn't really = of an age to have got it even if i had of heard them on peel or = something. so outside of a 7" copy of dot dash i picked up cheap from the local = record shop, because i had seen the name and thought i should have = something by them, as they were "punk" their entire career has largely = passed me by. even though they continued through the eighties/nineties my focus still = didn't fall on them as other things came and went the fall, the birthday = party then the smiths and eventually public enemy, hip-hop, house, = jungle and latterly merzbow, mogwai, and a reappraisal of throbbing = gristle.it wasn't until i started to work in seemonster and met mooro = (wire are one of his favourite bands), who is the guitarist in = seemonster, that i had even given them a second thought; really they = were always just one of the background bands to the stories of the clash = and the sex pistols. which in a rather convoluted way brings us to the first new album they = have recorded in 13 years, i had read reviews of the 'read and burn' eps = and had 'spent' on a compilation from the wire magazine, which was one = of my favourite tracks of last year. so when i saw they were releasing 'send' i thought i'll try a bit of = that and i have to say how fucking glad i did.=20 it is, quite simply the most punk rock album i have in years.=20 i don't mean punk in that shitty american of blink182, green day etc. or = the bollocks of the compilations you can buy with the old stuff on, this = is punk in the way it was always supposed to be, exciting vital and most = of all modern.after the pistols split up only really pil and the clash, = out of the original punk bands did any that tried to make even remotely = interesting music and now strummer is dead mick jones is producing the = arsing libertines and lydon is reduced to a comedy chat show guest = guaranteed to do a bit of swearing and generally act the "punk" rock = clown.quite simply 'send' is a work of minimalist, modern-machine guitar = music genius.=20 it is visceral and exhilarating enough to have you leaping around the = room yet shows that the advances in production technology that are all = around have not passed them by, it is as textured both, sonically and = melodically, as you could ask for.the dynamic between the guitars on the = track 'read and burn' is just heaven, it all sounds like the most = forward-looking rock and roll music without resorting to the cheesy = filters and processing that now litter electronic music, and they sound = fucking angry too which i'm always a sucker for. i really do urge you, to get your hands on a copy of this album; if you = get in early enough you even get a free live album that is nearly as = good. and the chorus goes, and the chorus goes, and chorus goes blah = blah blah bang.................................. (as reviewed by rizlo from seemonster (used to be seamonster) on = superglider) http://www.ireallylovemusic.co.uk/guest/wire.htm [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of wire.url] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:50:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Totally OT, but excellent! - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Check out Councillor Eileen Kinnear, Harrow on the > Hill conservative. Is she > wearing glasses or not? > > _http://www2.harrow.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.asp_ > (http://www2.harrow.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.asp) > > Mark ;-) She's probably trying to make a spectacle of herself............alright,I'll get me coat! Ari Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 21:26:42 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Totally OT, but excellent! In a message dated 9/3/2004 4:14:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Is she > wearing glasses or not? > No. That's Catwoman. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 02:14:04 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why the beat is in my Feat (was Wire On The Box Is Here) MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > JO'R is (kind of) the Todd Rundgren de nos jours - uncategorisable, > immensely talented, knows his way round a studio, etc - though without the rock star > charisma... He's rejuvenated Sonic Youth by putting some structure into > their noise, 'Murray Street' And 'Sonic Nurse' are prog-rock without the Goblins, with added post-punk pouty sexiness mostly from Kim .... This is probably what Henry Cow were supposed to sound like, instead it came out as A-level Politics lectures delivered over impenetrable, dischordant jazz-rock (not necessarily a bad thing of course...) > I've said it before, but I wonder what Jim would make of producing Wire.... Would be fascinating but I don't think Wire know enough notes and chords to satisfy Jimbo. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:35:06 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: [idealcopy] Instant Automatons & More! Yes, glad the Instant Automatons are getting a quick mention! At 3.00 GBP a copy you can't go wong! http://www.waterden.net/catalogue.htm#wcaoat Heads up for the Idwal Fisher Mag 17 Broomfield Terrace, Westgate, Cleckheaton, W.Yorks BD19 6AH UK. idwalfisher@aol.com np Ceramic Hobs - Shaolin Masters 7" "It's A Cracker!" "Chickychickybaabababaachicken,Chickychickybaababaababaaboehh" _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! 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As someone who always liked their rhythmic tracks better I had to get used a little to the more soundscape-y aproach of Misery Is A Butterfly, but I like it a lot now. They also contributed a great little gem to Serge Gainsbourg's Great Jewish Music called Le Chanson De Slogan. Gainsbourg's really moulded BR singer Kazu Makino into a Japanese Jane Birkin. Tres tres bien! 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Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:08:17 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Half Smiles Of The Decomposed Guided by Voices' very last record Half Smiles Of The Decomposed is out. Standouts on the first few spins: Girls of Wild Strawberries, Everybody Thinks I'm A Raincloud (When I'm Not Looking) & Asphyxiated Circle. Don't stop now, don't stop now... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:26:44 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why the beat is in my Feat (was Wire On The Box Is Here) > Call me old-fashioned, but if I'm gonna have to listen to country I guess > I'd rather have some blonde woman with big hair and matching breasts than > lots of fat earnest men showing off their musical prowess. These days Gillian Welch is about the only country I need - both haunting and spiritual. Who'd have thought I've grown to like her music even better than Johnny Cash's! Bart NP: Some Velvet Morning - Lee Hazlewood/Nancy Sinatra ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #260 *******************************