From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #258 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, September 2 2004 Volume 07 : Number 258 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT: Blue Nile Copy Protection [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Blue Nile Copy Protection [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Blue Nile Copy Protection ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] VGPS ["Rex Broome" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here ["Rex Broome" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] [idealcopy] Move singer Carl Wayne dies at 61 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Move singer Carl Wayne dies at 61 ["Stephen Graziano" Tim wrote: >I know I'm not the only ic-er who will have picked up the new Blue Nile CD today, I'd be playing it right now but alas, it seems to be copy protected and PC >doesn't recognise it as a CD at all. no mention of copy protection on disc or CD liner/inlay. >I've e-mailed Sanctuary, but has anyone else had this problem? Tim: That's because what you have there is not a "cd" as that term is defined by Phillips, the holder of the cd patent. As you probably know, discs are required to meet the "redbook" format in order to be a music cd. These and other copyprotected discs that do not meet redbook audio standards are "music data discs." They are not redbook because the layout of the disc runs the copyprotection program first before playing the audio when inserted into the drive. The labels are deciveing consumers by this approach. here are some links for further reading on this class action waiting to happen: ukcdr.org/issues/cd/ freedom-to-tinker.com fatchuck.com billy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 06:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here Creatured wrote: the 2/14/79 Rockpalast show is the audience looked like they were a some tranquilizers or something. Definately not big fans of Wire. It is weird that that is the only video around from back then of Wire. I haven't even heard of any old crappy bootleg videos. Hardly surprising there aren't any 'bootleg' recordings ie done by those people with a handheld camcorder, rather than something copied on the sly from a more...erm... 'official' source, as if you think back to 1979, I'm not sure there were *that* many 'domestic' camcorders around, and those that may have been on sale were the size of a suitcase and weighed as much as a hod of bricks. Not the sort of thing one could stick in your pocket or under your jacket, and a night with that rather obvious technology perched on your shoulder would either get you ejected, or at least give you a distinctly lopsided stance for a day or two. ;-) It *is* surprising that there isn't more 'shot-for-TV Transmission' footage available though... Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 06:34:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here Keith Knight wrote: Mallard were a group formed by Zoot Horn Rollo, Rockette Morton and Ed Marimba from Beefheart's Magic Band. The music wasn't a million miles away from Beefheart's IIRC and the first album had the Mallard steam train on the cover. So a step up from Eric Burdon and Nils Lofrgen, I'd suggest. ///// Perhaps a step up from Messrs Lofgren and Burdon, but *not*, if I recall, a whole lot of their former leader's handprints on what they did, which Mark B hit on the head with 'gruff country rock', for that *is* indeed what they did. Professionally, slickly and skillfully perhaps, but a bit uninspiring to me, and to my ears anyhow, Little Feat did that sort of schtick *wa-ayy* better anyhow. I saw Mallard by accident one year at Reading festival ('76 or '78: can't recall:- it was one of Lou Reed's non-appearance years, anyhow), and very ordinary they were too.** Seemed to me they were jumping on a train that left at least five years beforehand. As for their album cover, I always thought it was odd that this very American band should have had the British Nigel Gresley-designed LNER locomotive on their album cover, rather than the duck of that name. Or, even perhaps a turkey, some unkind souls might suggest........ ;-) **As opposed to the good Captain B, who's 45 minute set at Knebworth '75 is one of THE most rivetting, transfixing concert experiences I've ever had..........what a complete one-off the guy was/is...... Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:06:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here Not really Mallard but got me thinkin'... Anyone concur that Dr Strangely Strange But Oddly Normal's Album 'Kip Of The Serenes' is pretty much thee hardcore hippyness release? //////////////// Aha ! An area I have more than a nodding aquaintance with......:-0 Hmmm. Dr Strangely Strange's "KOTS" Is certainly *is* pretty lame, even down to the "sittin' in a field with my accoustic and my ol' lady" pic on the cover, and is *certainly* up there with all of the accoustic duo era Tyranosaurus Rex stuff, isn't it ? (Sorry, Keith A, but facts have to be faced....!) . Definitely file with Donavan, etc, who's own 'Cosmic Wheels' is worthy of inclusion....... I'd like to suggest the following worthy contenders, too:- 1) "The Holy Modal Rounders Eat the Moray Eels":- The Holy Modal Rounders : I suppose their best known piece is their contribution to the 'Easy Rider' soundtrack, "If you want to be a bird":- the whole album is more of the same, with such delights as "The STP song", "My Mind capsized", and "Last night I saw the werewolf" being particularly fine examples of the genre. 2) "Balaklava":- Pearls before Swine :- Fey acoustic stuff from one-man -band Tom Rapp, with whispery voices, sound FX, and lyrics 'a la mode'. 3) "Mass in F Minor":- The Electric Prunes:- another 'Easy Rider' contribution: just a lot of psychedelic fuzzed guitar wailing. or 4) "Joseph Byrd and the field hippies":- 2nd release from United States of America head honcho Joseph Byrd:- whereas *that* S/T album was innovative, (and even now, worth a listen particularly as it's just been re-released) this album was unusual in that the instrumental line-up was guitar-less, instead employing primitive electronics (in the days before the Moog synth) electric violin and a fretless bass, JB and the Field Hippies was just plain EMBARRASSING.. !! A possible rival to Dr S.S. Then for psychedelic-isms there's always Yo La Tengo's version of 'The Simpsons' theme they did for an episode (the one parodying Ben & Jerry, I guess.) Backwards guitar, citars:- it's all here, folks...... :- or pretty much ANY Grateful Dead disc......I'm sure there are plenty of others. I'll mooch through my old vinyl pile.......;-) Quicksilver Messenger Service's "Happy Trails", anyone........ Yahoo! Mail - Now with 25x more storage than before! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:23:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Paul wrote...... Ari wrote: >>NTSC Sub-standard??? No, I'm not going there....NOT GOING THERE...MUST RESIST TEMPTATION....MUST NOT GO THERE..... AAARRRRRGGGGHHH!!!! HULK SMASH!!!!! But , Ari, this appearance is hardly unique, as EVERYBODY gets a green face in NSTC from time to time ! Seriously, I don't really care a flying f*** if the DVD is Never Twice the Same Colour-encoded, I'm sure it'll be fine & dandy. IIRC, the 'problems' with NTSC only arise in broadcast transmission, not on recorded media. I suggest if further discussion on *this* topic are to happen, that we do it off-list before non-techies lapse into a coma........;-) New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Blue Nile Copy Protection Related to this, I got a copy of the new S/T Cure disk, and not only can I not copy it, I can't even get the PC to recognise that there's stuff on it other than 'The end of the world' and the little bit of animation that seems to accompany it. No other tracks can be played. IT just auto-boots and runs on putting the disc in the tray, and the usual options with both Real Player and Windows Media player don't appear. Like the Blue NIle CD, there's no mention that I can see on the cover that it *is* protected. I am cheesed off by this, as I feel I should have been informed, then I could have chosen to buy or not. Tim wrote: I know I'm not the only ic-er who will have picked up the new Blue Nile CD today, I'd be playing it right now but alas, it seems to be copy protected and PC doesn't recognise it as a CD at all. no mention of copy protection on disc or CD liner/inlay. Boo. I've e-mailed Sanctuary, but has anyone else had this problem? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:26:16 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here >>///// Perhaps a step up from Messrs Lofgren and Burdon, but *not*, if I recall, a whole lot of their former leader's handprints on what they did, which Mark B hit on the head with 'gruff country rock', for that *is* indeed what they did. Professionally, slickly and skillfully perhaps, but a bit uninspiring to me, and to my ears anyhow, Little Feat did that sort of schtick *wa-ayy* better anyhow.<< I'm basing my asessment of Mallard on one track off an old compilation album - - disappointing that it should *all* be gruff country rock.... Never seen any merit in Little Feat. Could never understand why John Peel was always hammering on about them; playing their records instead of the latest Instant Automatons ep or some such; blubbering when Lowell George (a man with his name on back-to-front) died etc. Lumpy beats like a club-footed dancer. Overdose of "authenticity". Deeply musoid.... I can understand why that might appeal, but it does nothing for me. >>I saw Mallard by accident one year at Reading festival ('76 or '78: can't recall:- it was one of Lou Reed's non-appearance years, anyhow), and very ordinary they were too.** Seemed to me they were jumping on a train that left at least five years beforehand. << Though it's still picking up passengers.... all aboard the stopping train to Americana Central. >>As for their album cover, I always thought it was odd that this very American band should have had the British Nigel Gresley-designed LNER locomotive on their album cover, rather than the duck of that name. << Perhaps they thought modern life was rubbish ;-) >>Or, even perhaps a turkey, some unkind souls might suggest........ ;-)<< The Mallard album was a UK release, recorded in the UK, so the cover was presumably the product of the trainspotters in the Virgin art department! **As opposed to the good Captain B, who's 45 minute set at Knebworth '75 is one of THE most rivetting, transfixing concert experiences I've ever had..........what a complete one-off the guy was/is......<< You really should go and see the current version of the Magic Band. Close your eyes.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:41:47 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Derek's hippy tip >>//////////////// Aha ! An area I have more than a nodding aquaintance with......:-0 Hmmm. Dr Strangely Strange's "KOTS" Is certainly *is* pretty lame, even down to the "sittin' in a field with my accoustic and my ol' lady" pic on the cover, and is *certainly* up there with all of the accoustic duo era Tyranosaurus Rex stuff, isn't it ? (Sorry, Keith A, but facts have to be faced....!) . Definitely file with Donavan, etc, who's own 'Cosmic Wheels' is worthy of inclusion.......<< Why does this remind me of the Fast Show sketch with the ageing painters? "...black! black!" "No Johnny. Time to go home" Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:28:18 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Copy Protection I think the Cure cd has a little FBI warning on the back of the cover. It can be copied three times (on each computer, I assume). I haven't tried it yet. Don't really like it much. I was playing it at work and heard the word 'fucking' when I was with a client. She heard this as well. Hasn't been played since. I don't remember the cd being stickered. wnd3 - --- Derek White wrote: > Related to this, I got a copy of the new S/T Cure > disk, and not only can I not copy it, I can't even > get the PC to recognise that there's stuff on it > other than 'The end of the world' and the little bit > of animation that seems to accompany it. No other > tracks can be played. IT just auto-boots and runs > on putting the disc in the tray, and the usual > options with both Real Player and Windows Media > player don't appear. > Like the Blue NIle CD, there's no mention that I can > see on the cover that it *is* protected. > I am cheesed off by this, as I feel I should have > been informed, then I could have chosen to buy or > not. > > Tim wrote: > I know I'm not the only ic-er who will have picked > up the new Blue Nile > CD today, > I'd be playing it right now but alas, it seems to be > copy protected and > PC doesn't recognise it as a CD at all. no mention > of copy protection on > disc or CD liner/inlay. > Boo. > > I've e-mailed Sanctuary, but has anyone else had > this problem? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter > now. > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:01:34 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Derek's hippy tip > Hmmm. Dr Strangely Strange's "KOTS" Is certainly *is* pretty lame, even down > to the "sittin' in a field with my accoustic and my ol' lady" pic on the > cover, and is *certainly* up there with all of the accoustic duo era > Tyranosaurus Rex stuff, isn't it ? (Sorry, Keith A, but facts have to be > faced....!) . KOTS is Dutch for PUKE - bet he knew... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:53:47 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Blue Nile Copy Protection > I know I'm not the only ic-er who will have picked up the new Blue Nile > CD today, > I'd be playing it right now but alas, it seems to be copy protected and > PC doesn't recognise it as a CD at all. no mention of copy protection on > disc or CD liner/inlay. > Boo. I've now got a collection of cd's (Black Cherry, Sonic Nurse, last Blur album, etc) that won't play on my cd player (which has copying facility), but will play on my PC and in the car... I wouldn't mind, but I've never even used the copying facility on my cd player. I bought it to put my old cassettes onto cd, but my cassette player's buggered!! Keith np The Sound - shock of daylight (superb album) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:15:08 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here with the Warlord of the Royal Crocodiles > Hmmm. Dr Strangely Strange's "KOTS" Is certainly *is* pretty lame, even down to the "sittin' in a field with my accoustic and my ol' lady" pic on the cover, and is *certainly* up there with all of the accoustic duo era Tyranosaurus Rex stuff, isn't it ? (Sorry, Keith A, but facts have to be faced....!) . Well you know I've got to reply. It would be dis-loyal not to ; ) I love Ty Rex (well of course I do!). Unicorn in particular is wonderful. Bolan reckoned it was his attempt at Pet Sounds, but I didn't know Pet Sounds then. And he's got a point, albeit a Pet Sounds recorded for #2.50 using Woolworths instruments - in a way, with it's ambition exceeding recources, it's Swellmaps for the hippie generation! But there's lot's of great songs with great - if silly - titles like Throat of Winter, Chariots of Silk and (my favourite, despite it's Tolkien influence) Warlord of the Royal Crocodiles. Beautiful songs, beautifully sung, it's one of my all-time fave albums. And the el cheapo organ is particularly effective!! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:26:48 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: PostEverything news PostEverything newsjust in case anyone here hasn't subscribed to PE, this from the Sept newsletter... - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- IN THE PIPELINE GITHEAD (Malka Spigel, Robin Rimbaud & Colin Newman) are very new, yet, in their short existence, have managed to craft a style that is both original yet accessible. Combining rhythmic toughness with interweaving guitars, insistently funky basslines with deadpan vocals. Their debut EP "HeadGit" will both surprise and charm audiences. Githead's "HeadGit" (wm34) should be available by late September on Swim~. Githead are currently recording an album for 2005 release. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Derek's hippy tip Bart van Damme wrote: > Hmmm. Dr Strangely Strange's "KOTS" Is certainly *is* pretty lame KOTS is Dutch for PUKE - bet he knew... ////// Actually, Bart, I didn't :- however, it's certainly appropriate...... :-) Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:27:55 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: [idealcopy] VGPS Tim: > > np The Kinks - village green preservation society > > > A new discovery for me. Never quite 'got' the Kinks before but this is a > cracking record (no hits on it....and seemingly ignored at the time), > the folllow up 'Arthur...' being re-issued next which i'm looking > forward to hearing. They were kind of the 4th best band of their era > (its the Inspiral Carpets syndrome!) and I've overlooked them till now. > > This has an eerie feel to it which I really like... That's a good word for it! Hands-down my favorite Kinks record and most days it's in my All Time Top 10 Albums by Anyone Ever. FWIW I dig "Something Else" more than "Arthur", but both are worthy, as is the Kinks Kronikles compilation which covers that period and is nicely stuffed with non-album tracks. (Which may no longer be non-album tracks... I haven't kept up with the last, what, three rounds of reissues...) - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:37:51 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here > Then for psychedelic-isms there's always Yo La Tengo's version of 'The Simpsons' theme they did for an episode (the one parodying Ben & Jerry, I guess.) Backwards guitar, citars:- it's all here, folks...... You forgot: "Tomorrow Never Knows" drum loop; secret message from Homer ("I buried Flanders", IIRC). I've actually been curious about the Holy Modal Rounders/Moray Eels thing. I have the comp of HMR I & II and rate it as both more genuine and somehow punkishly disrespectful than most of what I've heard from their Village contemporaries, and as such I wondered what they ended up sounding like when they went more nutty/experimental. Like a giant chunk of lysergic cheese, I guess you're saying? - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:42:19 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here Mark: > Never seen any merit in Little Feat. They were the backing band on a very fine John Cale album. Which I still find really, really odd, but there it is. Other than that... - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:57:51 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] We Fenced Other Gardens With The Bones Of Our Own > I know there's a few fans of The Liars here. I liked this Guardian review of > their recent (and excellent) We Fenced Other Gardens With The Bones Of Our Own > single. > > "Sounds at times like someone trying to lure a kitten out of a tunnel by means > of a gong. For all that it does possess a certain dark charm, and connoisseurs > of dirge rock will hail this as a masterpiece. Everyone else, run away as fast > as you can". > > Keith Nice one. Wonder what happens if the chorus (We're doomed! We're doomed!) gets replaced with the Bohemian Rhapsody one (Galileo! Galileo!) We Fenced video: http://launch.yahoo.com/song/default.asp?songID=3405964 Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:37:34 -0500 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Blue Nile Copy Protection Strange...I don't remember having any trouble playing it on my PC here at work...I didn't try to copy it, though... Jack - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Derek White Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:30 AM To: Tim; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Blue Nile Copy Protection Related to this, I got a copy of the new S/T Cure disk, and not only can I not copy it, I can't even get the PC to recognise that there's stuff on it other than 'The end of the world' and the little bit of animation that seems to accompany it. No other tracks can be played. IT just auto-boots and runs on putting the disc in the tray, and the usual options with both Real Player and Windows Media player don't appear. Like the Blue NIle CD, there's no mention that I can see on the cover that it *is* protected. I am cheesed off by this, as I feel I should have been informed, then I could have chosen to buy or not. Tim wrote: I know I'm not the only ic-er who will have picked up the new Blue Nile CD today, I'd be playing it right now but alas, it seems to be copy protected and PC doesn't recognise it as a CD at all. no mention of copy protection on disc or CD liner/inlay. Boo. I've e-mailed Sanctuary, but has anyone else had this problem? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here actually I quite liked little feat in their day..........hipp(ar)i - --- Rex Broome wrote: > Mark: > > Never seen any merit in Little Feat. > > They were the backing band on a very fine John Cale > album. Which I still find really, really odd, but > there it is. Other than that... > > -Rex > -- > _______________________________________________ > Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow > Pages > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:04:32 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire On The Box Is Here Wow ! I ordered the DVD of Rockpalast yesterday morning & no problem & it arrives this morning ! That was quick even for t'internet as Peter Kay would say. Chris NP XIS (Xploring Inner Space) - ambient trip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:05:43 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Move singer Carl Wayne dies at 61 I know I'm not the only Move fan here. His middle eight on Fire Brigade = is still one of my fave moments in pop. Keith http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3619022.stm [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC NEWS Entertainment Music Move singer Carl Wayne dies at 61.url] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] PRESENCE review Also ordered the Rockpalast DVD, together with the new Swim release: Toucaen's He was once somebody's baby boy. Found already a review by the upcoming John Duncan/GrahamLewis release called PRESENCE released on All Questions http://www.allquestions.net written by Massimo Ricci. When you listen to a form of music crossing a giant disruptive discharge and an oppressive mantra of modifying stases, there's a good chance of John Duncan's involvement. Continuing his work on vocal treatment and shortwave - see his releases with Elliott Sharp and Asmus Tietchens for reference - this time Duncan pairs his effort with E.G. Lewis' voice and field recordings. "Fall" finds the couple in a febrile state during a morass of cosmic radiowave boost joined by sepulchral stabilizating choirs from urban ruins. In "Cycle", a long-sighted image of dark incandescence shakes ears to the point of hopelessness, while you're looking for a solution to all this perception derangement. "Purpose stimulated" and "Step" present Lewis reciting his lyrics, mangled by Duncan's processing or whispered in a large hall setting. This is high-gauge sound art, where lapidary glances and forsaken imaginary landscapes macerate the remnants of our illusions. Yet, right then, our purification from recycled intelligence begins: cheap ideals and borrowed philosophies don't belong here. J Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:53:33 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Move singer Carl Wayne dies at 61 I am a monster Move fan. Sad news indeed sg http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Move singer Carl Wayne dies at 61 > I know I'm not the only Move fan here. His middle eight on Fire Brigade = > is still one of my fave moments in pop. > > Keith > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3619022.stm > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC NEWS Entertainment Music Move singer Carl Wayne dies at 61.url] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:24:52 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Blue Nile Copy Protection Got a reply back from Sanctuary first thing this morning! Very impressed. Seems there was a mixup in the mastering and a copy-protected version was released by mistake! If you've bought the copy-protected disc, Sanctuary will replace it in return for duff disk or proof of purchase...fortunately I kept the reciept so I get to have a spare copy! Can't say fairer than that. Great LP too....does exactly what it says on the tin of course, but very good. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:40:16 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Move singer Carl Wayne dies at 61 In a message dated 01/09/2004 21:28:09 GMT Daylight Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3619022.stm GOOD LINK TOO HERE EVERYONE. _http://www.carlwayne.co.uk/_ (http://www.carlwayne.co.uk/) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:55:31 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Move singer Carl Wayne dies at 61 >>I know I'm not the only Move fan here. His middle eight on Fire Brigade = is still one of my fave moments in pop.<< Very sad news. The Move's records still sound a lot sharper than many of their contemporaries. Also among Move fans is Mark E Smith - the Fall have recently been covering I can hear the grass grow... Carl Wayne fact - it's him singing on the 'Gillette, the best a man can get' ad. Spotted some stuff last year about him playing in "the Hollies" - almost a tribute band - no Graham Nash or Allan Clarke - but with the original drummer & lead guitarist as well as, improbably, Ray Stiles out of Mud on bass. And yes, they play Tiger Feet. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 9:05:00 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [idealcopy] We Fenced Other Gardens With The Bones Of Our Own > Keith: > I know there's a few fans of The Liars here. /////// The Liars are appearing in Toronto (and perhaps elsewhere) as support for Blonde Redhead, IIRC. I have funds for only one show this fall and it will likely be Clinic. I know some will poo-poo my decision but I missed them last time round and I really regret it. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:14:47 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Blue Nile Copy Protection In a message dated 9/1/2004 5:28:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > Got a reply back from Sanctuary first thing this morning! Very impressed. > Seems there was a mixup in the mastering and a copy-protected version > was released by mistake! > > If you've bought the copy-protected disc, Sanctuary will replace it in > return for duff disk or proof of purchase... Hate to be a conspiracy theorist here or beat a dead horse, but I quote: "In their attempts to create a CD that fits their aims, the record companies have tried many methods of corrupting the CD format, and then they have tested these by making secret releases into localized markets, sometimes of hundreds of thousands of CDs. Everyday people have then bought these sub-standard CDs, and have been unknowingly testing the record company's new CD protection schemes for them." from: ukcdr.org/issues/cd/ bill e ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:26:09 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Blue Nile Copy Protection > I wouldn't mind, but I've never even used the copying facility on my cd > player. I bought it to put my old cassettes onto cd, but my cassette > player's buggered!! I come from a fairly liberal country (so they say). Leather trousers? No proble mate! But buggering cassette players!! C'mon people!! Bart ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:51:55 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] We Fenced Other Gardens With The Bones Of Our Own > The Liars are appearing in Toronto (and perhaps elsewhere) as support for > Blonde Redhead, IIRC. I > have funds for only one show this fall and it will likely be Clinic. > > I know some will poo-poo my decision but I missed them last time round and I > really regret it. Whoa, The Liars and Blonde Redhead... on one night?? And you're not going to regret missing that Eric?? Never even heard of Clinic... they that good? Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #258 *******************************