From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #249 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, August 24 2004 Volume 07 : Number 249 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] ot - Re: devo/reunion gigs ["Keith Astbury" ] FW: [idealcopy] OT- Joy Division remakes [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Happy Mondays ["Rex Broome" ] [idealcopy] Robert Pollard on Wire [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: FW: [idealcopy] OT- Joy Division remakes [Jan Noorda ] Re: FW: [idealcopy] OT- Joy Division remakes [Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - Re: devo/reunion gigs > On the subject of Devo, oddly, at Elland Road yesterday to see Leeds United > take on Nottingham Forest, over the pretty bad PA I distinctly heard the > bassline from Mongolod playing for a couple of minutes. > > The balance of probability says that this wasn't an instrumental version of > a classic Devo song being played for prematch entertainment. As such, > anybody any ideas what it might have been? Layo & Bushwacker's Finally features that bass line, Ian. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:58:03 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Roxy Flyers??????????? > Does any here have an opinion as to whether either of these items on ebay are likely to be genuine? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2262&item=4032435839 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27351&item=4032438384 Can't help with the query, Phillip, but I noticed the Drones mentioned there. Anyone heard their album that was released on cd a few yrs back? Any good? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:36:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Worth another visit........ http://www.antisoshal.com/ .............He's added some new titles.Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:24:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Dweezil Zappa guitars for sale. http://tinyurl.com/72ydy .and other stuff.Ari _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:16:01 GMT From: "P J Kane" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: they have 200 couches << Interestingly enough, I went to the Earl the following week to see Lol Tolhurst's current band, Levinhurst, that he formed with his wife, Cindy Levinson (Levinhurst = combination of Levinson + Tolhurst last names). The show was decent and Levinhurst played some danceable tunes that were borderline goth/borderline Ladytron or something like that...for the encore, they played a remix of "A Forest". After the Levinhurst show, a friend and I met Lol Tolhurst and he talked with us for quite a long time. >> okay, people, we need to coordinate better! i was at that show as well. i am good friends with Envie, who were the middle opener. please note that they were "off" that night, as the regular bassist was not there. (defending his PhD thesis that weekend or something wierd like that....) as to Lol -- after the show i talked to him and Cindy briefly about reviewing them on EvilSponge. i gave them a card and they gave us a copy of the CD. one of my other reviewers has it, so i haven't heard it yet.... Lol seemed really nice and very sincere when he asked me, "So, did you like the show?" he seemed nervous about the prospects of being reviewed. and he was very impressed that, amongst the 30 or so buttons i have on my bag is an old Cure button i bought in 1987 or so.... dammit, one of these times we will meet at one of these shows. i pretty much live at The EARL, so if you are going there let me know... << Hey, Dan, are you going to the Mission Of Burma show on October 15 at Echo Lounge? >> i'll be there for that one, although i haven't bought tickets yet. just noting the date in my dayplanner, it tells me that is also the day that Ramadan begins. i wonder what that means when Mission of Burma are playing on that day.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:32:19 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] cut-ups The full story is here... http://tinyurl.com/4zh89 Personally I've seen 'Towers open Fire' and I would have paid the builders #10 to dump it in the skip A Genesis P-Orridge is talking about the day he was asked to rescue a series of radical movies made by William Burroughs, artist Brion Gysin and film-maker Anthony Balch from a skip. It was 1980 and P-Orridge was living on the dole in Hackney, east London, fronting art-punk band Throbbing Gristle. "Brion called me from Paris," recalls P-Orridge. "Anthony had died, and all the films they had made in the 1950s and 1960s were about to be destroyed. 'Here's the address,' he said. 'Do what you can to save them. Go and get them, and they're yours. You'll know what to do with them.' " The address led to the small, cramped office of a film distribution company in Soho. The rent hadn't been paid and the offices were being torn down. It was already late in the afternoon, and P-Orridge's only means of raising money was cashing a housing benefit cheque. "So I got my rent money, a black cab and a slip of paper, and went down to Soho. Sure enough there was an old building and these burly workmen were picking up the cans of 35mm film to throw them into the dumpster. Minutes later they would have been destroyed. I gave them #5 to put them in the cab, and went back to Hackney." The films on which Burroughs, Gysin and Blach collaborated - among them The Cut Ups and Towers Open Fire - have been cult objects for years. ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:44:23 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: FW: [idealcopy] OT- Joy Division remakes I've got Paul Young's version of LWTUA..... no, only joking...the horror, the horror A I am looking for Joy Division remakes to make my own compilation. Aside from the cd "A Means To An End" (not including New Order versions) I have the following... NIN- Dead Souls Jawbox- Something Must Break Dessau- Isolation Swans- LWTUA (both versions) The Cure- LWTUA (low quality) There is a live version of Transmission by Smashing Pumpkins if anyone has a good recording of it please let me know. If anyone has any others of interest please let me know. Thanks as always- paulye154 _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Layo & Bushwacker's Finally features that bass line, Ian. ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] Jason asked Woerner Frank-Juergen wrote: > Anyone remember Scars? I remember one track in particular by them I rather liked, by the name of "Vanishing" ? Remember *that? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:28:56 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Happy Mondays Tim: > I don't think they were evil, yes they were all grimy, petty thieves and > small-time drug dealers from Salford, but not evil, nor misanthropic. Oh, I never said it was a bad thing... The vibe I got from Ryder was that he was actually a pretty nasty piece of work, but when nasty pieces of work set out to make art, they usually get caught up in making art about what nasty pieces of work they are. Ryder instead just let loose with borderline nonsense that came out all bizarre and dada-like, and in the process conveyed (to me, anyhow) more menace than ten million Eminems. It was about the most punk rock thing going at the time, as far as I could tell, and yeah, way smarter than it was given credit for. - -Rex, whose daughters are related to Edvard Munch, but are still a little too young to be upset about this whole Scream-theft thing... - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:35:39 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] Robert Pollard on Wire Hi everyone, This month's Spin magazine (Sept. 2004) has a short piece by Robert Pollard of Guided By Voices on the "Records That Changed My Life". Wire's 154 made the list. To quote Robert: "Eventually, I went full-on into post-punk. I cut my hair short and got kicked out of the metal band I was in. 154 was a bolt of lightning. When we started, we wanted to sound like a bunch of different bands. The songs were going to be short, sound like they were recorded in a bunch of different places. That was the Wire influence." The other records were The Beatles - I Want To Hold Your Hand The Doors - The Unknown Soldier King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King The Who - Who's Next Devo - Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo! R.E.M. - Chronic Town EP Dinosaur Jr. - You're Living All Over Me The Breeders - Last Splash It's a fun little article - definitely worth a read. Plus - there's a massive interview with the Pixies - you should pick up the issue if you get a chance. Cheers, Paul P.S. The issue also gives a quick review to the new Low CD - A Lifetime Of Temporary Relief. The review mentions that there's a Wire cover in there..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:40:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: Re: FW: [idealcopy] OT- Joy Division remakes I do have a 7 inch single by Data-Bank-A: with the JD song Isolation released on Mechanical Music 1986. They were from Lowell: Massachusetts jjn Alistair Tear wrote: I've got Paul Young's version of LWTUA..... no, only joking...the horror, the horror A I am looking for Joy Division remakes to make my own compilation. Aside from the cd "A Means To An End" (not including New Order versions) I have the following... NIN- Dead Souls Jawbox- Something Must Break Dessau- Isolation Swans- LWTUA (both versions) The Cure- LWTUA (low quality) There is a live version of Transmission by Smashing Pumpkins if anyone has a good recording of it please let me know. If anyone has any others of interest please let me know. Thanks as always- paulye154 _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:10:22 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: FW: [idealcopy] OT- Joy Division remakes Mr. Krovatz also put it out on CD... later on. I wonder what happened to Data Bank A (and all his side stuff)... light industrial material, and the last stuff I picked up was an album with Kraftwerk's Radioactivity cover. I reckon that Isolation was one of the most cover songs for a while... but I think New Order's version has been the best. Glad that it is now available on their last BBC release. cheers! - -fernando On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Jan Noorda wrote: > I do have a 7 inch single by Data-Bank-A: with the JD song Isolation > released on Mechanical Music 1986. They were from Lowell: Massachusetts > > jjn > > > > Alistair Tear wrote: > I've got Paul Young's version > of LWTUA..... > > no, only joking...the horror, the horror > > A > > I am looking for Joy Division remakes to make my own compilation. Aside > from the cd "A Means To An End" (not including New Order versions) I have > the following... > NIN- Dead Souls > Jawbox- Something Must Break > Dessau- Isolation > Swans- LWTUA (both versions) > The Cure- LWTUA (low quality) > > There is a live version of Transmission by Smashing Pumpkins if anyone has a > > good recording of it please let me know. > > If anyone has any others of interest please let me know. > > Thanks as always- paulye154 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont just search. Find. 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Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:23:27 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Boy Division Further to the JD cover versions, hear are that post-industrial jackbooted Boy Band: http://www.boy-division.de/index1.htm Seems They've done a cover of Outdoor Miner as well.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:14:02 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: FW: [idealcopy] OT- Joy Division remakes There is Low's typically blissed out version of 'Transmission' on the EP of the same name. I did see Mogwai cover '24 Hours' at ATP in 2000, not sure if they ever recorded this probably on a bootleg somewhere. and look here's a whole web-page of JD Covers too!! http://members.aol.com/lwtua/covers.htm Good lord.....Who were 'Boy Division' I wonder...some unholy gothic/post-industrial Boy Band? Would love to hear Half-Man Half Biscuit's JD covers! Oh and forgot all about Squarepushers version of LWTUA...on the 'Do You Know Squarepusher EP'..... > I do have a 7 inch single by Data-Bank-A: with the JD song Isolation > released on Mechanical Music 1986. They were from Lowell: Massachusetts > > jjn > > Alistair Tear wrote: > I've got Paul Young's version > of LWTUA..... > > no, only joking...the horror, the horror > > A > > I am looking for Joy Division remakes to make my own compilation. Aside > from the cd "A Means To An End" (not including New Order versions) I have > the following... > NIN- Dead Souls > Jawbox- Something Must Break > Dessau- Isolation > Swans- LWTUA (both versions) > The Cure- LWTUA (low quality) > > There is a live version of Transmission by Smashing Pumpkins if anyone has a > > good recording of it please let me know. > > If anyone has any others of interest please let me know. > > Thanks as always- paulye154 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > ************************************************************************* > The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any > warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of > this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended > recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that > any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is > strictly prohibited. > > If you have received this e-mail in error please notify > postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the > presence of computer viruses. > ************************************************************************* > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:48:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: FW: [idealcopy] OT- Joy Division remakes On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Tim wrote: > and look here's a whole web-page of JD Covers too!! > > http://members.aol.com/lwtua/covers.htm One interesting (and recent) cover on that page is Joel Phelps & The Downer Trio doing "24 Hours", available only on the bonus disc that comes with some copies of Customs. Their version of the Chills' "Pink Frost" is more impressive, I think, but hearing Phelps sing his old favorites (on the last album they did the Comsats' "Lost Continent") is always worthwhile. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:23:19 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: FW: [idealcopy] OT- Joy Division remakes I thought that House of Love's cover of Pink Frost was brilliant, though I did not follow the Chills, and hearing the original was good, but went back to HoL. cheers, - -fernando On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:48:27 -0400 (EDT), Aaron Mandel wrote: > One interesting (and recent) cover on that page is Joel Phelps & The > Downer Trio doing "24 Hours", available only on the bonus disc that comes > with some copies of Customs. Their version of the Chills' "Pink Frost" is > more impressive, I think, but hearing Phelps sing his old favorites (on > the last album they did the Comsats' "Lost Continent") is always > worthwhile. > > a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:25:50 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Boy Division Seems They've done a cover of Outdoor Miner as well.... "for an album of Wire covers to be released in September" is what it says.... Whore 2. Just what the world needs. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:30:51 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Boy Division Seems They've done a cover of Outdoor Miner as well.... And if it's as bad as the LWTUA cover we're in for a treat! Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #249 *******************************