From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #246 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, August 21 2004 Volume 07 : Number 246 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Interpol last night [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] on returning [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] Lewis recording Linblad [Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Interpol last night > can't say i really recommend the albums. be careful. i haven't had the chance > (should say i just haven't gotten around to it) to see them live, but it's my > understanding they're much better live than on cd. the vocals are pretty up > front on both albums and the lyrics are...um, interesting? honestly, the > lyrics are often embarrassing for the listener. glad i'm not singing them :o) Agreed. I've recently got to hear Interpol and must say that after the many mentions they got on this list I was disappointed. Another band I only just got to know are The Liars, but they're absolutely fucking brilliant! Haven't heard anything this loose, creative and exciting since The Popgroup! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:00:48 +0200 From: "Woerner Frank-Juergen" Subject: AW: [idealcopy] Jason asked > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] Im Auftrag von Stephen Graziano > Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Mdrz 2004 16:49 > An: Keith Knight; idealcopy@smoe.org > Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] Jason asked > > > - Mind you, he likes The Comsat > Angels as well... - > > > In the preceding Comsat's threads, no one seems to have mentioned the > "Waiting for a Miracle" album, which I believe was their > first. I quite > liked it in a sub-Joy Divisiony way. The title track, > Independence Day, > Total War, nice bleak album art (sort of a redtoned variation > on Pere Ubu's > Datapanik bleakscape). I don't really remember them well > after that. Maybe > they got too nu-romantic and I lost interest. > Anyone remember Scars? Of course I do. Saw them live in Hamburg sometime in the early 80ies and downloaded some songs from winmx recently ... Still have some pictures from the gig somewhere. I always had my Canon F1 with me at that time. regards, Frank Same story with the Comsat Angels ... gig, pictures, early 80ies in Hamburg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:04:51 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Interpol last night Mark Riley played their upcoming single the other night and it sounds great... Funnily enough they reminded me of the Pop Group when I saw them at 93 feet east last year not only because they both got/had big tall beanpole frontmen... A > Another band I only just got to know are The Liars, but > they're absolutely > fucking brilliant! Haven't heard anything this loose, > creative and exciting > since The Popgroup! > > Bart > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. 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Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 06:26:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 10:10:25AM -0700, Derek White wrote: [Kurt Cobain] > Maybe it's just me, but I can't entirely divorce his work from his > self-doubting /pitying/ loathing , gun-and-death fixated > personality. I think doing so is impossible; but (and I don't think this is Derek's main point, so this isn't an attack) self-doubt really is a very, very pernicious syndrome - everyone here must have had some attacks of it... Indeed it *is* all-pervasive, and I'd say for sure that pretty much everyone breathing suffers from attacks of self-doubt, unless they're the sort of person that is *never* wrong. I'm certainly beset with it at times, but in my 'Kurt' post , I guess I was calling into question the need to commit something as individual, and personal as that to CD. Quite who benefits by it, beyond Kurt C's (now C.Love's) bank balance, I'm not too sure. The self-loathing however, isn't something that troubles me, and self pity I have never thought a particularly useful excercise, thus try my damndest to avoid......... I just regard the Nirvana story, like the Manics, as desperately sad. ///// I reckon we can agree on that. At the risk of being slated for it, I used to quite like the Richey-era Manics, but clearly he was a troubled guy. Beyond 'The Holy Bible' though, I'm not sure his depression or whatever fueled him permeated the CD pits to the same degree as Kurt's work...........? Discuss? Or not.... - - Derek Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:50:06 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] on returning Hi people I've been away for awhile due to being stricken by some unholy virus... Mark may be amused to know that it hit me the day after seeing Coil at the Ocean...;-) (it did include bouts of diahorrea) Robert, was this a reliable source who told you that Githead were 'boring' ? because they were far from boring... much more polished than the 1st gig at the ICA as is to be expected... Colin seemed to be enjoying himself, getting down with the beats... and, am I alone in hearing a trace of 'chairs missing' in the sound? this thought occurred to me at the ICA as well... I knew buggerall about coil's music but I must say that they were jaw-droppingly, staggeringly, fantastic... thighpaulsandra and some other bloke playing banks of machinery from inside sort of tented canopy things... two blokes at the back playing vibraphone and hurdy-gurdy(!) and the frontman (Balance?) looking like an old testament prophet but, oh-so English, like Viv Stanshall gone bad... wearing something like a cross between a straitjacket and a shroud a stunningly staged show and a really gentle vibe amongst the audience (unlike the gang of yahoos who were at KMFDM a few weeks ago..) I have a couple of not-great pics of Githead and a couple of great ones of Coil I am happy to email them to any interested parties (offlist please) Jan, today I got my tickets for the Tuxedomoon gig anyone else going to this? or the Hafler Trio thing next weekend? au revoir mes braves A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: was Colin votes, now "Why do young bands play old crap" PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: As for the young kids forming school-age 'bands', almost without exception, they're metal outfits. ////// agreed totally. and all so trad rock it makes me laugh. why on earth do 16 year olds do ACDC covers , please explain? p I Dunno, I really don't. Wearing my 'guy-behind-the-mixing-desk' hat, I get to see pretty much all of our local crop of bands, and that they do these re-treads of 70's 'trad-rock' never fails to amaze me. Admittedly, some of them are a bit more contemporary, and do stuff from the "de-tuned 7-string and growly vocals" school, eg Slipknot, Coal Chamber, Cradle of Filth etc etc: it's still crap, but 2000+ crap. However, there's a dispiriting number of young bands who are revisiting AC/DC, Thin Lizzie, UFO, et al. I just don't understand this phenomenon at all: personally, when I was a teen, to be seen to be into the same music your dad's generation was into was social DEATH ! Even the more interesting outfits let themselves down:- there's a band in their late teens / early 20's by the name of 'Kiaroscuro', who I find genuinely interesting, with a sound that is an odd hybrid of the better 10% of Muse, with the Indie jangle / grooves of the Stone Roses ilk , and other less identifiable elements. My description probably doesn't do them justice, but they *do* seem to bring something new to the party to my ears. Trouble is, both times I've caught them, after a fresh-sounding set, what do they finish with? That hoary old chestnut, beloved of every 'biker's rally' band in the Western hemisphere, the Led Zep 'classic' "Rock'n'Roll".... Sheeesh, talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. If anyone can explain *why* it is that young bands would do such dad-rock standards, can you let me know? My only guess is that these days, unlike when I first got a guitar, and learned stuff by way of endless playing along with the record, then scratching it as the stylus was replaced at the track start 'ad nauseam', these days there's a proliferation of mags like "Total Guitar", & "Guitar Techniques" where amid gear reveiws & interveiws, they transcribe songs to the printed page in both dots and guitar tablature, and a lot of these tend to be be stuff like Led Zep, AC/DC, Sabbath, Guns 'n' Roses etc, probably because the 'royalty' fees / mechanicals or whatever are probably less for these alleged 'classics' than they are for more current stuff. That's the only theory I can advance to explain this distressing trend.... :-( Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:40:08 -0600 From: "Paul Ye" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Interpol last night / 200 couches >I like the mix between old REM/Bauhaus/Joy Division type music. Miles said... >I'll still contented that the Joy Division resemblance is far, far >overstated; >it's more of a general U.K. postpunk milieu thing than a specific Ian >Curtisy >thing. Where the heck are you getting R.E.M. from, though? That's the >second >time I've heard someone mention R.E.M. in connection with Interpol, and I >don't >hear that one at all. It is hard to explain the riff in my head, but it all has to do with the drummer. I don't know which songs reminded me of it because I am not familiar with Interpol enough to know their songs but the drum riffs sounded very much like something from Reckoning, which is my favourite REM album. The Joy Division came from one song that had a straight forward single string riff going on on the guitar. The singer I think goes a little Peter Murphy now and then but with a higher voice. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:10:02 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire - We Don't Play Requests (DVD) BOOTLEG http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:59 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Wire - We Don't Play Requests (DVD) > I take it this is just a bootleg version? > > http://www.ab-cd.com/cgi-bin/cat1/DVDRW > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of AB-CD Wire - We Don't Play Requests (DVD).url] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:18:37 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ot - Re: devo/reunion gigs just catching up on some old threads... i happened to see a tv broadcast of devo from a recent gig in new york's central park. i believe they were one of 6 or more "80s" acts who performed. they sounded pretty darn good! the song selection for the tv program could have been worse, i managed to catch great versions of jocko homo, freedom of choice, and beautiful world (sung by boogie boy!). they showed gates of steel, which was the weakest of the 4 (and a weird choice, i thought). i would've much rather seen come back jonee or uncontrollable urge, but overall it was very enjoyable to see they still pretty much 'have it'. and as long as i've mentioned 'still having it'...every reformed band i've seen in recent years (with the exception of the alarm <--not really bad, just not my thing) is looking and sounding great. the list includes: bauhaus, chameleons, springhouse, psychedelic furs, b-52's, go-gos (<---fun, but i wouldn't run out to see them again anytime soon), savage republic, mission of burma, the stooges, crispy ambulance, raincoats (not sooo recent), sonic youth (not reformed, but i hadn't seen em since daydream nation). - -paul c.d. p.s. there's one other band whose name escapes me for the moment, but they were really hot...burning hot. maybe if i read this i'll remember ;o) p.p.s. that wasn't even punny note to self: cut it out ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:37:25 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B.C. Gilbert Ordier i received a package from a friend yesterday. he loves stamps and places extra (decorative) ones on packages he sends. anyway, whose face was on my package?...none other than our bruce. does the ordier cd box come with table of the elements stamps? i've gotta look into this, they're really nice. best thing is bruce's 'element' is bromine! very cute. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:02:40 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] ot - devo new live cd --- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > just catching up on some old threads... > > i happened to see a tv broadcast of devo from a > recent gig in new york's > central park. i believe they were one of 6 or more > "80s" acts who performed. they > sounded pretty darn good! the song selection for the > tv program could have > been worse, i managed to catch great versions of > jocko homo, freedom of choice, I have the cd of this show if anybody would like a copy. Please email me off list. - -OR- If anyone has some server space (around 600 mb) I could put it up for everyone. wnd3 ===== http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ http://home.earthlink.net/~2signs/ ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:15:49 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] if ya like the Associates ASSOCIATES - Singles (2 CD set) Formed in Edinburgh in 1979, the Associates comprised Billy Mackenzie and multi-instrumentalist Alan Rankine. Built on an eclectic mix of influences and interests ranging from art-rock to glam and disco, the group debuted with a manic cover of 'Boys Keep Swinging'. Early on, Mackenzie's voice was often favourably compared to Scott Walker, and the Associates released a series of singles which explored a continually diverse array of styles and textures all of which are covered on 'Singles', which features the pick of their single releases from MCA, Situation 2, Virgin, WEA and EMI. The collection also comes complete with rare photos and new liner notes. - 28 tracks. on WSM $31.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/cgi-bin/cat1/5046740102 RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:11:16 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] they have 200 couches > Bit like watching The Eagles doing Joy Division covers. But is that a bad thing ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:58:30 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] They cancelled the Curiosa festival in Seattle Hi everyone, As long as we're talking about the Cure, I thought I'd mention that they cancelled the Curiosa festival here in Seattle. (Well, technically it's a few hours outside of Seattle at the Gorge Amphitheater in George, WA., but I digress.) Apparently, Robert had to fly home, and so they had to c*ncel and reschedule the Seattle gig. The rest of the gigs will go on as planned. The Cure have rescheduled for Aug. 31st, but without the opening acts - just them. I guess this means I don't get to see Interpol and Mogwai this time around. Maybe next tour. Here's the blurb from the Cure website. Direct copy - notice the cute spelling errors - it's Everett, not Everette, for example: THE CURE TO RESCHEDULE SEATTLE CURIOSA DATE 8/18/2004 12:31:02 PM - by geffen Robert Smith, lead singer of the Cure, will be heading back home to London due to personal reasons after his performance at the Curiosa Festival in Salt Lake City, Utah on August 18th. This will result in the rescheduling of the Seattle show at The Gorge on August 21st. The Cure will now play a special show, "An Evening With The Cure," in Everett on August 31st at The Everette Event Center. Tickets for the August 21st Curiosa Festival date will be honored at the show on August 31st. For more information please log on to www.thecure.com. The Everette Event Center, Everett Washington www.everetteventscenter.com Phone center 1-866-EEC-TIXX (332-8499) Box Office at the venue, open Monday - Friday 12:00pm to 6:00 pm Tickets for the August 21 show will be honored as noted but additional tickets to the new show can be obtained via the above, begining tomorrow, August 19th. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:53:49 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] they have 200 couches The other way round would have been better ;-) --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > Bit like watching The Eagles doing Joy Division > covers. > > But is that a bad thing ; ) > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:04:18 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] they have 200 couches In a message dated 20/08/2004 19:58:32 GMT Standard Time, xj23@yahoo.com writes: > Bit like watching The Eagles doing Joy Division > >covers. > > > >But is that a bad thing ; ) > ///// the eagles of goth metal? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:23:30 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: they have 200 couches >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:49:31 +0000 >From: dpbailey@att.net >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] they have 200 couches > >did anyone from our atlanta contingent make that city's show? i couldn't >get off work, since we were in the process of moving the shop elsewhere in >the mall, & my car has been running like crap besides, but i was rather >nonplussed to read (iirc) that the cure played possibly my 2 favorite songs >(well, top 10, anyway -- there's also just like heaven, a forest, 2 late, >to the sky, 10:15 saturday night, charlotte sometimes & a ton of others) of >theirs, 100 years & a strange day, back to back. *sigh* I went to the Atlanta Curiosa show...12th row seats to the left of the stage, to be exact. Since The Cure is still my favorite band, it only made sense to go as such. I took the day off of work and saw pretty much the entire festival. The Cooper Temple Clause - I had never heard them before and I was sufficiently impressed; I bought their album the next day. Mogwai - Damn good set, even for a big outdoor venue. Let's see..."Yes, I'm A Long Way From Home", "Hunted By A Freak", "You Don't Know Jesus", "Summer", "Ratts At The Capital". Not as good as the two Mogwai shows that I've seen at Variety Playhouse, but pretty amazing nonetheless. Melissa Auf De Maur (or however you spell it) - Not my bag, but the eye candy element is there and her band's set was fun enough. The Rapture - The second time that I've seen The Rapture and they're a lot of fun, although they need to pay royalties to This Is What You Want-era Public Image Ltd. Muse - Sounds like Thom Yorke fronting a grunge band. I was underwhelmed. Interpol - Interpol's set rocked the house. This was the third time that I've seen Interpol (I bought Turn On The Bright Lights on the day of release back in 2002 and have been a devotee ever since) and I've enjoyed watching them evolve into a great live band over two years of near constant touring. They played three songs from the new album ("Evil" was one that I know by name) and, by the strengths of these songs alone, I'm going to buy Antics on the day of release next month. Finally, The Cure - This was the third time that I've seen The Cure and the band seemed much more animated than they were back in 2000. The setlist was right on...My personal highlights were "Charlotte Sometimes" and "Faith" back to back for the last encore, "A Night Like This" early in the set, "A Strange Day", "One Hundred Years", and the poppy "Close To Me"/"Why Can't I Be You?"/"Lovecats" first encore (The Cure only played their darker material back in 2000). I was also glad to finally hear "Pictures Of You" in concert, as The Cure didn't play that one the first two times that I saw them. The stuff from the new album sounded quite good; my favorite new Cure song, "Before Three", had a more bass-heavy sound onstage that made me wonder how much better the song would have been if Ross Robinson hadn't produced it. Simon Gallup commanded almost as much attention as Robert Smith did. Gallup and his bass lines were one main attraction of this Cure show. Overall, the band was in fine form, joking with each other onstage and such. Interestingly enough, I went to the Earl the following week to see Lol Tolhurst's current band, Levinhurst, that he formed with his wife, Cindy Levinson (Levinhurst = combination of Levinson + Tolhurst last names). The show was decent and Levinhurst played some danceable tunes that were borderline goth/borderline Ladytron or something like that...for the encore, they played a remix of "A Forest". After the Levinhurst show, a friend and I met Lol Tolhurst and he talked with us for quite a long time. I was surprised at how friendly and modest of a person he is. My friend, a fanatical Pornography-era Cure fan, asked a lot of questions and Lol talked openly about The Cure, about making amends with Robert Smith after the Los Angeles Bloodflowers promo show. This was actually the first time that I've ever looked at my watch and made an exit during a conversation with a musician after a show...I have a feeling that Lol would have hung out and talked all night. More about Interpol: Personally, I think that Turn On The Bright Lights is the best album of the 2000's so far. I had heard Interpol from their self-titled EP before the full album was released and the album went above my expectations. I have the album in my car glove compartment for regular work commute play and I still haven't gotten tired of it yet. Here's looking forward to the new release. I've already pre-ordered the "Slow Hands" UK single from Sirendisc. Hey, Dan, are you going to the Mission Of Burma show on October 15 at Echo Lounge? They were excellent last time at Echo, but I still haven't bought tickets, as I'm waiting to see how much the R.E.M. tickets are when they go onsale in a couple of weeks, etc. Right now, I'm just waiting on the first Atlanta Pixies show in October and, well, for the Sonic Youth show tomorrow night...I've only seen Sonic Youth one time and that was when they opened for Neil Young in 1991...I'm looking forward to seeing them actually headline a show. Not much else...I read this list every day, but only post here occasionally. All is good. Except for the new R.E.M. single that I heard premiered on the radio yesterday. It's pretty ordinary adult contemporary staleness that didn't really impress me at all. Maybe there will be some better songs on the upcoming album. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:17:08 +0200 From: "Glenn & Cecile" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: was Colin votes, now "Why do young bands play old crap" > ////// agreed totally. and all so trad rock it makes me laugh. why on earth do 16 year olds do ACDC covers , please explain? p >AC/DC, Thin Lizzie, UFO, et al. I just don't understand this phenomenon at all: >personally, when I was a teen, to be seen to be into the same music your dad's >generation was into was social DEATH ! Well, Derek, you may just have answered your own question. These days, "Dad" is listening to rap and putting together loops with Acid and utilising his step-sequencing skills with Fruityloops in his vain attempt to remain young and hip. ... and anyway, I liked Billie Holiday and Robert Johnson ;) Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:00:35 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Happy Mondays > My appreciation of the Mondays is based on two albums, their (John Cale > Produced) debut and The 2nd Mondays LP 'Bummed', which is one of my > favourite LPs ever. Its a shame they are remembered for the indie-dance > Madchester stuff that followed, which had its moments but hasn't aged as > well as the early stuff. Totally agree. I'd heard early Peel sessions, etc, and liked them enough to buy Squirrel & G-Man, but it didn't prepare me for just how good it was. I thought it was amazing. It was like The Nightingales on Motown! There's some real unsung gems there like Russell that never seem to get a mention in the HM history books. Bummed was great, too, though Hannett had a different take on the Mondays than Cale. Altogether less...scratchy, I guess. And wasn't that a great time for remixes? You get a track as great as Wrote For Luck, then you tune into Peel one night and you hear this almighty WFL version and it felt like you'd had two birthdays. But as much as I liked Pills Thrills..., their best was already behind them. And the less said about Yes Please the better. It's up there with Kill Uncle and Growing Up In Public as one of the worst albums made artists I really love. > Beat that Dylan. (better than Barney Sumners lyrics anyway) I hear the sounding of damning with faint praise drifting through my PC ; ) Keith NP Mogwai - happy songs... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:47:47 -0800 From: "Rex Broome" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Happy Mondays Keith: > Totally agree. I'd heard early Peel sessions, etc, and liked them enough to > buy Squirrel & G-Man, but it didn't prepare me for just how good it was. I > thought it was amazing. It was like The Nightingales on Motown! There's some > real unsung gems there like Russell that never seem to get a mention in the > HM history books. "Squirrel" was the last Mondays album I ever heard (bought it after they broke up), and it really weirded me out. The rhythm section sounds like, yeah, a really Neanderthal take on Motown that Mark E. Smith could (and did) appreciate; Ryder sounds like Damo Suzuki; and the guitar tones and voicings sound a lot like... really early REM. No joke... I mean the bizarre counterintuitive Pete Buck stuff that none of the American bands who actually set out to sound like REM ever really captured (maybe because they were more seasoned players than Buck). Plus, and I always say this about all the Mondays, they were really truly misanthropically evil. - -Rex - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: [idealcopy] Lewis recording Linblad Has anybody seen this? It contains some audio clips. http://www.aquariusrecords.org/cat/20thcenturycomposers3.html LINDBLAD, RUNE RL (Firework Edition Records) lp + cd 19.98 As decreed by the dual monarchs of the Kingdoms of Elgaland / Vargaland (those being CM von Hausswolff and Leif Elggren), Swedish composer Rune Lindblad should be held in the same canonical reverie as Karlheinz Stockhausen, John Cage, and Pierre Schaeffer. For Lindblad engaged the spirit of ardent innovation, brash risktaking, and an unwavering social agenda that could easily be found in the works of those more well known composers. Von Hausswolff -- having studied under Lindblad in the '80s - -- had already released a number of Lindblad's compositions on his Radium 226.5 label (all of which have been reissued through Pogus on CD), now he, Elggren, BJ Nilsen (aka Hazard), Edvard Graham Lewis (of Wire), Kent Tankred, and a few others have put together this compilation as an homage of Lindblad's work. Sprawling across a cd and an lp, "RL" begins with two pieces from Lindblad himself - which are haunting musique concrete / electronic music compositions that also appear to involve some amplifier / microphone feedback synthesis, in the end sounding like lo-fi recordings of Morton Subotnik topped off with emotionally charged spoken word snippets. The cd portion of this package continues with various experiments that follow the sonic intent of Lindblad with Edvard Graham Lewis and BJ Nilsen offering a dark, fluid pieces of Eno ambience, Tankred and Elggren sputtering through amplified motors and shortwave dissonance, Von Hausswolff laces distant vocal samples with the ominous pulse of a ventilator. The lp is much more loose in its interpretation of Lindblad with Brommage Dub pulling off a good Monolake / Chain Reaction piece of minimalist techno, and Jean-Louis HuhtaJ offering some leftfield electronica a la Two Lone Swordsmen or Plaid. Nice work, but doesn't really hold much insight into Lindblad's work beyond distant samples. Nevertheless, this is an excellent overview of Lindblad's work and his influence over contemporary Swedish experimental electronics. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! 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