From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #242 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, August 17 2004 Volume 07 : Number 242 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT: Young Ones contest - win stuff! [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO ["j.hobson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO ["Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Young Ones contest - win stuff! Ari wrote: I also got 5,how 'bout you limey's?..............Ari [ Does this 'colonial' chappie mean *us* , here on the cold side of the pond?...... ;-) ] I got 5 too, but my answer to No 4 was complete guesswork.....it could have been "all of the above" so far as I knew. While doing the quiz, I learnt a new word, too! I'm sure 'skelp' will come in handy, sometime........ If it means 'to batter/strike', I wonder if it's derived from the word 'scalp' , intoned with a heavy Glaswegian accent? So when *do* we get our DVD's, eh, BBC America ? - --- Monochromatic Man wrote:> http://www.bbcamerica.com/britain/brit_quiz_slang_the_young_ones.jsp >> I got all five. How about you? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:33:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO Keith Knight wrote: >>Mm, they sounded rather good and certainly PragVec-ish on New Town. >>The list says the track is from 'Any Other City' if that's any help.<< Their only album, released in 2001. Band is now defunct - see website http://www.lifewithoutbuildings.com/ Has a couple of sound clips under audio, so you can hear what they sounded like. Mark Stricken by curiosity, I tried to access the audio on their site, with no joy. I simply got a 'page unavailable' message. Anyone else had similar problems with the LwB site? dw Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:41:58 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:29:57PM +0100, Keith Knight wrote: > 4 June - Life Without Buildings Their (wonderful) track "The Leanover" is on the (also great) Rough Trade Post-Punk comp, which features (obWire) an intro in the sleevenotes from CN. - - A - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 10pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:52:51 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO >>Stricken by curiosity, I tried to access the audio on their site, with no joy. I simply got a 'page unavailable' message. Anyone else had similar problems with the LwB site?<< The two live tracks are the only ones that work Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:40:00 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO well, prompted by this thread i went and dug out my copy of the LWB album (bought dirt cheap as a promo). i did see them at edinburgh and whereas it was a bit prag vec , i thought much more altered images. the album is not at all prag vec , and very altered images. i don't think this was what the world was waiting for , which i guess accounts for the band's demise. to be honest i tire of these 80/81 copyists. can't we have something a teensy bit original? OK a lot of us grew up with this stuff and loved it , but isn't much of this re-working just lame pastiche? franz ferdinand at least do it with style , but most of the others seem pretty pointless. i'm also puzzled as to who's buying the futureheads and their ilk ; is this what's currently sweeping the nation's student unions? can't see any of the teenagers round here buying into this at all , they all seem to like muse or funeral for a friend (poor kids......boy will they regret this). still think we're gonna end up with a "new smiths" , somebody will be working on this as we speak. not a lot of competition about for whoever gets it right :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:33:56 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: can't see any of the teenagers round here > buying into this at all , they all seem to like muse or funeral for a friend (poor > kids......boy will they regret this). When I was a teenager the really hip band to be into was Sisters Of Mercy. I saw through that shit after ooooh five minutes..... Most kids will grow out of Muse et al but at least they might, in their own annoying Nu-Prog/Games Workshop-esque way, might have set some kids on a slightly skewed path so that they might seek out more interesting stuff , rather than going straight to Dido, Keane and eternal blandness. And Franz Ferdinand may not do much for me but they are good start for a 14 year old aren't they? > > still think we're gonna end up with a "new smiths" , somebody will be working > on this as we speak. not a lot of competition about for whoever gets it right > :-) p NME seems to think this is The Libertines and the new "Morrissey" is Pete Doherty...the toast of the tabloids, a Rock & roll tragedy waiting to happen, a man with all the worst bits of Kurt Cobain, Shaun Ryder and Sid Vicious all rolled into one...and none of the talent. His descent into Crack/Heroin hell is followed week by week in the music press like some tragi-rock soap opera. Personally I think his music is tired retro bollocks and if it were not for all the drug/rehab mayhem nobody would give a fuck about the Libertines backward, rambling Sham-69-esque druggy dirges. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:12:13 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO In a message dated 17/08/2004 02:39:41 GMT Standard Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > And Franz Ferdinand may not do much for me but they are good start for a > 14 year old aren't they? > ///////that was one of the things i was wondering ; do 14 year olds actually buy FF singles? can't see it going on round here. they all seem to like heavy metal....... > > > > NME seems to think this is The Libertines and the new "Morrissey" is > Pete Doherty...the toast of the tabloids, a Rock &roll tragedy waiting > to happen, a man with all the worst bits of Kurt Cobain, Shaun Ryder and > Sid Vicious all rolled into one...and none of the talent. His descent > into Crack/Heroin hell is followed week by week in the music press like > some tragi-rock soap opera. > Personally I think his music is tired retro bollocks and if it were not > for all the drug/rehab mayhem nobody would give a fuck about the > Libertines backward, rambling Sham-69-esque druggy dirges. > ///// i despair at the NME. is this really the best they can come up with?. its been a joke for years but their worship of the libertines is maybe the most desperate line they've been down yet. i had the misfortune to see the libertines live in 2001 and they struck me as a bad lurkers tribute band. and they still sound the same now. yet i see uncut raving about the new album too. can anybody explain the appeal of this bunch? beats me completely. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:30:17 +0100 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO > > And Franz Ferdinand may not do much for me but they are good start for a > > 14 year old aren't they? > > > > ///////that was one of the things i was wondering ; do 14 year olds actually > buy FF singles? can't see it going on round here. they all seem to like heavy > metal....... Depends were you live. In Londonium its rap that rules. I like FF but that probability is age. Maybe more relevant are the Streets, Dizzy Rascal and Estelle as to the direction UK music is moving. There are literally hundreds of pirate radio stations playing Urban so its a genuine street up music form. The good signs are that a more distinctive British strain is now developing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:33:15 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO In a message dated 17/08/2004 07:30:36 GMT Standard Time, xerif@dsl.pipex.com writes: > Depends were you live. In Londonium its rap that rules. I like FF but that > probability is age. Maybe more relevant are the Streets, Dizzy Rascal and > Estelle as to the direction UK music is moving. There are literally hundreds > of pirate radio stations playing Urban so its a genuine street up music > form. The good signs are that a more distinctive British strain is now > developing. > //////////yeah , i live in the midlands which is always metal/rock country. suspect much of the "urban" stuff is a lot bigger in london and the home counties. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:59:30 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Colin votes for KaitO FWIW, my 12 year-old daughter - and a modicum of her friends - loved Take Me Out from the first time they heard it, which was the first decent thing she's liked in years almost (the happy days of the kids singing Urusei Yatsura's 'Hello Tiger' very loudly in the lounge of a cross-channel ferry having long gone). She still likes it and will be having it played at her forthcoming party. The FF album also seemed to have a wide demographic where I work - people who don't normally like this thing at all were letting me (as the resident music fan) know they'd bought it. Some of them bought the Scissor Sisters too (that album is the phenomenon of the year in cross-over sales in my book). Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > And Franz Ferdinand may not do much for me but they are good start for a > 14 year old aren't they? > ///////that was one of the things i was wondering ; do 14 year olds actually buy FF singles? can't see it going on round here. they all seem to like heavy metal....... ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #242 *******************************