From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #226 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, August 1 2004 Volume 07 : Number 226 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] O.T: This is VERY odd..... [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] O.T: This is VERY odd..... [Paul Pietromonaco ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:46:11 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels > I quite agree. Its too easy to slag off BB...especially if you don't > watch it. I have!! My girlfriend and daughter watch it nightly. It's just that this series doesn't do it for me. The more the makers have faffed around with the concept over the years (and 'massaging' who's going to be left), the less I have cared. > Of course its trash, its cheap, cynical, exploitative, > moronic, pointless.... > Its still a better Soap Opera than ailing BBC1 show Eastenders....which > involves spending hundreds of thousands of *public* money paying a vast > panel of useless writers to come up with characters and storylines which > no-one likes or cares about anymore (ratings are plummeting).....when C4 > can put a bunch of attention seeking freaks in a studio and pay them > fuck all, and get at least 40 mins of compelling drama, gritty > fly-on-the-wall documentary, comedy and music-hall/pantomime every > night for 10 weeks. It's just that it feels like it's been done to death, and the resulting dearth of 'proper' drama isn't healthy. There's a generation getting used to watch cheap telly - the TV companies must be wetting themselves. I still watch Wife Swap though. It might be cheap, cynical, exploitative, but somehow it's not moronic (though some of the participants certainly are!) and certainly isn't pointless IMO. It's entertaining and yet somehow gets some right arses to question their lives. Whether they really improve afterwards is another thing entirely, mind ; ) > OK its Artless shit. Or is it? I happened to come back from a night out > to see the 'live sex under the table' which..in the absense of anything > to film consisted of long shots of said table....with whoever was on > duty, artfully focussing in on any vaguely sexual or phallic object in > sight (wine bottles, corkscrew, bouncing baloons gently swaying the in > the breeze....) before they cut the live footage..... Maybe you should try Debbie Does Dallas, Tim ; ) K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: New Wilco tour DATE CITY VENUE TICKETS AUG-02 MILWAUKEE, WI EAGLES' BALLROOM sold out AUG-03 TORONTO, ONT THE MOD THEATRE sold out AUG-04 OTTAWA, ONT CAPITAL MUSIC HALL sold out AUG-05 MONTREAL, QUE ST. DENIS THEATRE buy AUG-06 PORTLAND, ME STATE THEATRE sold out AUG-08 NEWPORT, RI NEWPORT FOLK FESTIVAL buy SEP 14 COLUMBIA, MO THE BLUE NOTE 08/10 SEP 15 ST. LOUIS, MO THE FOX THEATRE 07/30 SEP 17 DALLAS, TX THE GRANADA THEATRE 08/03 SEP 19 AUSTIN, TX ACL FESTIVAL buy SEP 22 NASHVILLE, TN THE UPTOWN MIX tba SEP 23 ATLANTA, GA THE FOX THEATRE 08/03 SEP 24 ASHEVILLE, NC THOMAS WOLFE AUDITORIUM 08/10 SEP 26 RALEIGH, NC RALEIGH MEMORIAL AUDITORIUM 08/10 SEP 27 NORFOLK, VA THE NORVA 08/03 OCT 01 BOSTON, MA THE WANG CENTER 08/03 OCT 05 NEW YORK, NY RADIO CITY MUSIC HALL 08/03 OCT 10 ANN ARBOR, MI HILL AUDITORIUM tba the specific ticket information for each show is available at: http://wilcoworld.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 14:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: This is VERY odd..... .........Billie very kindly sent me some DVD-R's the other day,ntsc and pal,I put them in my multi-regional dvd player and it wouldn't read ANY of them,including the ntsc ones,yet it would read the ntsc ones I burned on MY computer. I placed the dvd's in my ntsc pioneer player and it plays them all,INCLUDING the PAL ones HUH!it's not SOLD as a multi-regional player,and yet...the picture on my 43" HDTV is crystal clear. what's going on?anyone have any clues? Paul?mystified Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:22:22 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: This is VERY odd..... Ari wrote: > .........Billie very kindly sent me some DVD-R's the > other day,ntsc and pal,I put them in my multi-regional > dvd player and it wouldn't read ANY of them,including > the ntsc ones,yet it would read the ntsc ones I burned > on MY computer. > I placed the dvd's in my ntsc pioneer player and it > plays them all,INCLUDING the PAL ones HUH!it's not > SOLD as a multi-regional player,and yet...the picture > on my 43" HDTV is crystal clear. > what's going on?anyone have any clues? Paul? You rang? (^_^) There's a couple of thoughts that come to mind. By any chance, are Billie's discs DVD+Rs, instead of DVD-Rs? DVD+Rs are not exactly the same as DVD-Rs, and are not supported by the main DVD Consortium. DVD+Rs were developed by Sony and HP, two of the major members of the DVD Consortium, so they should work, but they might not in all players. Also, sometimes different brands of DVD-Rs have differing degrees of success in older players. Pioneer is known for its tolerance of various DVD media - all my major DVD players have been Pioneers - so it doesn't surprise me that they work in there. You might try sending some of your DVD blanks to Billie, and get a re-burn of one of the titles to see if that helps. In regards to the PAL vs NTSC in your Pioneer, all major DVD players will handle PAL and NTSC interchagably. The major problem isn't the signal format, but the region coding. If I put a PAL Region 0 disc in either of my non-hacked Pioneers, it plays just fine. My old Pioneer (DV-414) played these discs as PAL, my new Pioneer converts them to NTSC. Finally, it could be Billie's authoring software. Some players are very specific using the correct ISO/UDF formatting, while other players allow wiggle room. I've found that using DVD X-Copy FOR LEGAL BACKUPS OF MY OWN MEDIA (^_^) works fine at home, but not on my friend's Toshiba or either of my PlayStation 2s. Hope this helps! Cheers, Paul NP - Sneaker Pimps "The Videos" DVD PAL Region 0 in my NTSC Pioneer. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:54:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: This is VERY odd.....Pt.1.3 > You rang? (^_^) > > There's a couple of thoughts that come to mind. By any chance, are Billie's discs DVD+Rs, instead of DVD-Rs? DVD+Rs are not exactly the same as DVD-Rs, and are not supported by the main DVD Consortium. DVD+Rs were developed by Sony and HP,two of the major members of the DVD Consortium, so they should work, but they might not in all players. The dvd's Billie sent are dvd-r's,my pioneer plays both -and+,as does the ritech.like I said,the ritech plays -r's thay I burn,but not those that Billie burned. > Also, sometimes different brands of DVD-Rs have differing degrees of success in older players. < Both the Pioneer (less than a year old) and the ritech (a few months old)shold handle just about anything >Pioneer is known for its tolerance of various DVD media - all my major DVD players have been Pioneers - so it doesn't surprise me that they work in there. You might try sending some of your DVD blanks to Billie, and get a re-burn of one of the titles to see if that helps. Interesting,Billie did send me some blanks that wouldn't burn in his computer,but burn just fine in mine....... > In regards to the PAL vs NTSC in your Pioneer, all major DVD players will handle PAL and NTSC interchagably. The major problem isn't the signal format, but the region coding. If I put a PAL Region 0 disc in either of my non-hacked Pioneers, it plays justfine. My old Pioneer (DV-414) played these discs as PAL, my new Pioneer converts them to NTSC.< Mine converts them to ntsc as well,though there's nowt in the literature to suggest it should. > > Finally, it could be Billie's authoring software. Some players are very specific using the correct ISO/UDF formatting, while other players allow wiggle room. I've found that using DVD X-Copy FOR LEGAL BACKUPS OF MY OWN MEDIA (^_^) works fine at home, but not on my friend's Toshiba or either of my PlayStation 2s. Hope this helps!< I have both intervideo (http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/InterVideoDVDCopyPlatinum_Profile.jsp and DVDX(321 studio's) program http://www.321studios.com/products/dvdXtreme.asp ) though I prefer DVDX over Intervideo Ari > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:56:08 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] O.T: This is VERY odd.....Pt.1.3 > Both the Pioneer (less than a year old) and the ritech > (a few months old) should handle just about anything The key word here is should. Unfortunately, DVD-R media is in a state of flux - much like the orginal CD-R media. If Billie is using DVD-R media that your Ritech doesn't like, it may not work. Seriously. >> Pioneer is known for its tolerance of various DVD media - >> all my major DVD players have been Pioneers - so it doesn't >> surprise me that they work in there. You might try >> sending some of your DVD blanks to Billie, and get a >> re-burn of one of the titles to see if that helps. > > Interesting, Billie did send me some blanks that > wouldn't burn in his computer, but burn just fine in > mine....... And, here's another wrinkle for you: DVD-R 1x vs DVD-R 4x. DVD burners do not treat these media the same. Burners that burn 1x do not burn 4x - we expect that, since 4x is much faster. However, burners that handle 4x may not work with 1x - this is counter to CD-Rs. You have to get a DVD burner that is rated for 1x/4X to handle both. It sounds like you have a better DVD burner, Ari. (^_^) A final note about using DVD copy programs. They are not perfect. For instance, my PlayStation 2 refuses to work with any DVD made by a copy...er, excuse me.. "archival" program. However, if I duplicate an unencrypted DVD using Nero that's single layer, my PlayStation 2 plays it perfectly. It's the DVD Archiver Program messing up the ISO/UDF data slightly. I can also create DVDs manually by hand editing the UDF disc information (don't ask - I'm insane), and they work in all players. You might have Billie try a different archiver - and that's about as much as I want to say about that due to the DMCA. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:58:26 +0100 From: "sean bowen" Subject: [idealcopy] Way O.T. : BBUK Tim wrote : >I quite agree. Its too easy to slag off BB...especially if you don't watch it. Of course its trash, its cheap, cynical, exploitative, moronic, pointless.... Its still a better Soap Opera than ailing BBC1 show Eastenders....which involves spending hundreds of thousands of *public* money paying a vast panel of useless writers to come up with characters and storylines which no-one likes or cares about anymore (ratings are plummeting).....when C4 can put a bunch of attention seeking freaks in a studio and pay them fuck all, and get at least 40 mins of compelling drama, gritty fly-on-the-wall documentary, comedy and music-hall/pantomime every night for 10 weeks. >OK its Artless shit. Or is it? I happened to come back from a night out to see the 'live sex under the table' which..in the absense of anything to film consisted of long shots of said table....with whoever was on duty, artfully focussing in on any vaguely sexual or phallic object in sight (wine bottles, corkscrew, bouncing baloons gently swaying the in the breeze....) before they cut the live footage..... Sean writes : At its best, BB can provide an intriguing insight into the way real people interact, in a simulated environment which is about as close to "real life" as TV can get. My take on it is this : that if you're interested in sport, you enjoy watching sport on TV, if you like music, you enjoy music TV, and so if your interest is "everyday life", and analysing the little details which go to make it up, then you watch BB. Personally, I enjoy the nightly 10pm highlights shows on C4, but can't watch the live feeds on E4. So I'm concerned that I'm at the mercy of manipulative editing which might deliberately try to portray a particular housemate in an unfairly negative or positive light. My problem has always been that I think the show is aimed at an audience 20 years younger; the mobile-texting-gaming-"Heat"-reading generation rather than at ageing Wire fans. Hence I didn't get hooked until BB4 when there was an old square (Cameron) in the house along with the OTT in-yer-face look-at-me youngsters. This year, some of the innovations have created great car-crash TV (Emma & Michelle returning from the bedsit was genius). But I'm concerned that there's a danger that in an effort to get ever more wacky, C4/Endemol could end up getting formulaic and wearing out the BB format prematurely (as I think they may have already done with "Wife Swap"). Sometimes, as Keith and Tim say, the most "ordinary" bits can be the most enlightening - such as Jason's beautifully narcissistic little nocturnal routines...... ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #226 *******************************