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idealcopy-digest         Friday, July 30 2004         Volume 07 : Number 224



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels                         [MarkBursa@aol.com]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd  [Derek White <zak_bla]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT Synth-talk:- WAS Blue nile new cd  [Derek White <zak_bl]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd     [MarkBursa@aol.com]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT Synth-talk:- WAS Blue nile new cd    [MarkBursa@aol.com]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd  [Andrew Walkingshaw <]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd     [MarkBursa@aol.com]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd  [Andrew Walkingshaw <]
  [idealcopy] Liars                                          [RLynn9@aol.com]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd  ["Keith Astbury" <kei]
  [idealcopy] Drift: Resonant Cities  [Fergus Kelly <lockupyourhats@yahoo.co]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd  ["Ian B" <ian@ibarret]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd  ["Keith Astbury" <kei]
  [idealcopy] B.C. Gilbert Ordier and musos!!  [Paul Pietromonaco <paulp@wrq]
  RE: [idealcopy] B.C. Gilbert Ordier and musos!!  ["Creaig Dunton" <creaig@]
  RE: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels  ["Keith Knight" <steeleknight@lineone.net]
  Re: [idealcopy] B.C. Gilbert Ordier and musos!!  [Doug Wittner <wittner@gm]

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:42:33 EDT
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels

>>But if you want reality TV, <snip><<
 
Frankly, no. Not at all. None of it. Ever.
 
Mark

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 04:04:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Derek White <zak_blakk@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd

Andrew Walkingshaw <andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk> wrote:


I was just wondering who else noodles around with music out there?
Obviously there's some signed musicians here (hi Tim), but I'm
wondering who else plays around with audio. I'd have thought some of
you out there would.

I could well be wrong, of course!

Well, as you may have gathered, I do. However, despite a working knowledge of Synth-ey things, I'm more of what Mr Astbury calls an 'axe-botherer'  ;-) (guitarist to the rest of you) Not signed, (waaayyy too old to even dream of it as well) although I have a band in the making, but which is still very much at the stage of 'having the scaffolding up', if you know what I mean.  As regards tech stuff, I can find my way round a software sampler, and  have worked with various (older) versions of Cubase for sequencing.  I also have a venerable old Alesis MMT8 standalone sequencer forgotten in some corner, somewhere, too.

 (No, I'm not going to post any mp3s to the list, don't worry...)



Oh yeah:- that goes for me, too:- I'll not be bothering anyone with mp3's either  ;-)

Derek
Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 04:14:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Derek White <zak_blakk@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Synth-talk:- WAS Blue nile new cd

Tim <tim@kidsindestructible.com> wrote:

> MarkBursa@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Me too. There's an icy Europeanness to them which I suspect is why
> they strike a chord with the Wire massive.

Who originally coined the phrase 'Icy European Cool' (which I use all 
the time!) and who were they talking about I wonder??

////    I'll take what is a pure guess :-    Kraftwerk......?




> Perhaps it's 80's K/B sounds that tends to plonk some music squarely
> in it's timeframe: for the mid/late 80's, it's the rather thin,
> fizzy, sterile Yamaha DX7 sounds, and the more lush Roland LA synths
> that instantly date anything from that time.


Read an interesting article with Brian Eno in one of those electronic 
music gear-mags recently, and Eno still swears by the DX7 and still uses 
'em. He insists that the problem with DX7 was that everyone used the 
cheesy factory pre-set sounds, but if you get your hands in its innards 
it can be programmed to do quite amazing things.

Yeah, I don't know about the DX7, but that same comment was equally true for the Roland Linear Arithmetic synths like the D50:- the amount of twiddling you could do with the gizzards of it's sound generation was really quite staggering, but fiddly, given that there's a limit to the number of parameters that the pokey little LCD screen could show at any one time. 

 I saw the job of editing the D50 etc once referred to as "Trying to wallpaper a house through the letterbox", and I *certainly* wouldn't argue with that.   Just to get rid of that 'zing' on all the string sounds was a decent start. 


As for the DX&, I'll take yours and Andrew's word for that.  If you could fatten the sounds up some, it probably *would* be a completely different machine.
Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:34:29 EDT
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd

>>I was just wondering who else noodles around with music out  there?
Obviously there's some signed musicians here (hi Tim), but  I'm
wondering who else plays around with audio. I'd have thought some  of
you out there would.<<
 
Well, I used to be a lot more active than I have been recently. There's a  
substantial amount of hardware in the spare room (much of which was procured in  
the 80s, hence is now considered 'vintage'), and recent investment in a new  
computer could well propel me further up the learning curve on Cubase  etc.

>>Well, as you may have gathered, I do. However, despite a  working knowledge 
of Synth-ey things, I'm more of what Mr Astbury calls an  'axe-botherer'  ;-) 
(guitarist to the rest of you) <<
 
Likewise, I'm more at home on the six-string razor. And even more so on the  
4-string razor ;-) 
 
>>Not signed, (waaayyy too old to even dream of it as well) although  I have 
a band in the making, but which is still very much at the stage of  'having 
the scaffolding up', if you know what I mean. <<
 
Overthe years I've had people 'round for a jam' etc... trouble is finding  
people who don't want to just play f*cking blues rock.
 
>> As regards tech stuff, I can find my way round a software  sampler, and  
have worked with various (older) versions of Cubase for  sequencing.  I also 
have a venerable old Alesis MMT8 standalone sequencer  forgotten in some corner, 
somewhere, too.<<
 
Pah, modern! I've got a TB303.... 


Mark

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:44:12 EDT
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Synth-talk:- WAS Blue nile new cd

>>Who originally coined the phrase 'Icy European Cool' (which I  use all 
the time!) and who were they talking about I  wonder??

////    I'll take what is a pure guess :-   Kraftwerk......?<<
Or Roxy Music

>>> Perhaps it's 80's K/B sounds that tends to plonk some  music squarely
> in it's timeframe: for the mid/late 80's, it's the  rather thin,
> fizzy, sterile Yamaha DX7 sounds, and the more lush  Roland LA synths
> that instantly date anything from that  time.

Read an interesting article with Brian Eno in one of those  electronic 
music gear-mags recently, and Eno still swears by the DX7 and  still uses 
'em. He insists that the problem with DX7 was that everyone  used the 
cheesy factory pre-set sounds, but if you get your hands in its  innards 
it can be programmed to do quite amazing  things.<<
Never cared for the mid 80s-onwards preset-synth jobbies. Much prefer ones  
with knobs and sliders! One which seems to offer a good compromise of analogue  
sounds & features, plus polyphony and midi was the Roland Juno 106. Always  
fancied one of those...
 
I've never used a DX7 buy I have had experience of both JX3 and JX8 models.  
Very limited in terms of good sounds - and not a lot more use than the cheapo  
Casio/Yamaha models that came out a few years later. I recently bought a mint 
 condition Yamaha PSS170 at a car boot sale for 50p. Splendid bit of  kit! 
 
>> saw the job of editing the D50 etc once referred to as "Trying  to 
wallpaper a house through the letterbox", and I *certainly* wouldn't argue  with 
that.   Just to get rid of that 'zing' on all the string sounds  was a decent 
start. <<
 
The conoisseur's string synth sounds of choice are ARP ones (Joy Division  
etc). I have an old (early 80s) ARP Quartet, which is lovely, though extremely  
limited....


Mark

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:49:12 +0100
From: Andrew Walkingshaw <andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd

On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 07:34:29AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote:
> Derek White wrote:
> 

> > Well, as you may have gathered, I do. However, despite a working
> > knowledge of Synth-ey things, I'm more of what Mr Astbury calls an
> > 'axe-botherer' ;-) (guitarist to the rest of you)
>  
> Likewise, I'm more at home on the six-string razor. And even more so on the  
> 4-string razor ;-) 

I was taught to play violin, and have taught myself guitar and bass, on
which I'm not totally incompetent. However, at the moment I'm mostly
playing around with synths - Reason from Propellerheads particularly.

I mostly make stuff that sounds like a bad Ulrich Schnauss rip.

> > As regards tech stuff, I can find my way round a software sampler,
> > and  have worked with various (older) versions of Cubase for
> > sequencing.  I also have a venerable old Alesis MMT8 standalone
> > sequencer forgotten in some corner, somewhere, too.
>
> Pah, modern!  I've got a TB303....

Oh dear, a "gear" thread :) Parker P38 Fly, Encore P-bass clone,
Peavey amp, Boss ME-3030 effects / Blues Driver distortion, Midiman
Oxygen 8 keyboard, Midiman Firewire Audiophile audio thing, Reason
Adapted, Buzz[1], MicroLogic, Live Delta, Audacity[2], an ancient version of
Acid, etc etc etc zzzzz. All the gear in the world wouldn't make me
talented.

TB303s are *very* cool, though, and aren't they worth a bomb these
days?

- - A

[1] free: http://www.buzzmachines.com
[2] free and excellent: http://audacity.sourceforge.net

- -- 
Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge     http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/
Programme Controller, CUR1350               http://www.cur1350.co.uk/
email: andrew@lexical.org.uk              
Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 10pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? 

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:43:41 EDT
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd

>>I was taught to play violin, and have taught myself guitar and  bass, on
which I'm not totally incompetent.<<

I'm totally self-taught, though my competence is limited by (a) a  relatively
late start - didn't even pick up an 'axe' till I was 19 or 20  and (b) a
general dislike of trad fretwank, blues 'licks'  etc.

>> However, at the moment I'm mostly playing around with  synths - Reason
from Propellerheads particularly.<<

On-topic link - the packaging for Reason & Recycle was done by  Andreas
Karperyd out of Omala. No doubt EGL gets a discount ;-)

>>I mostly make stuff that sounds like a bad Ulrich Schnauss  rip.<<

I guess software synths are ideal for this...


>>Oh dear, a "gear" thread :) Parker P38 Fly,<<

Never been too enamoured of the Fly's looks, nor can I recall seeing  anybody
use one. What's it sound like?

>>  Encore P-bass clone,<<

Always surprised by the numbers of decent looking cheapo basses out there
(#100 or so). Quite tempted given the escalating price of vintage ones...

>>Peavey amp, Boss ME-3030 effects / Blues Driver distortion,  Midiman
Oxygen 8 keyboard, Midiman Firewire Audiophile audio thing,  Reason
Adapted, Buzz[1], MicroLogic, Live Delta, Audacity[2], an ancient  version of
Acid, etc etc etc zzzzz. All the gear in the world wouldn't make  me
talented.<<

Probably best go off list if you're interested in my heaps of dusty gear  ;-)

>>TB303s are *very* cool, though, and aren't they worth a bomb  these
days?<<

Apparently so. I've got the TB606 drum machine that goes with it  too.



Mark

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:58:57 +0100
From: Andrew Walkingshaw <andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd

On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 08:43:41AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote:
> On-topic link - the packaging for Reason & Recycle was done by  Andreas 
> Karperyd out of Omala. No doubt EGL gets a discount ;-)

Interesting :) It does have very good packaging.

> >>I mostly make stuff that sounds like a bad Ulrich Schnauss  rip.<<
>  
> I guess software synths are ideal for this...

They're just much cheaper and more convenient than real gear, particularly
if you live in a single bedsit room (which being a student, I do) and
aren't loaded with cash :)

You can do a hell of a lot with them - I'm really just learning.

> 
> 
> >>Oh dear, a "gear" thread :) Parker P38 Fly,<<
>  
>
> Never been too enamoured of the Fly's looks, nor can I recall seeing
> anybody use one. What's it sound like?

I've got used to its somewhat idiosyncratic appearance. Sound-wise,
it's active-pickuped single/single/humbucker wired in the traditional
Fender five-position scheme, and is more Fenderish than Gibson in
tone; somewhere around where the Strat Plus or another hot-rodded
Strat is. I like the sound of it a lot, and it's lovely to play. Mine
is strung with 9-gauge, so it's a very Fender sound. It's as nice to play
as any American built Fenders I've played, and being bottom of the Parker
range, it was a bit cheaper too.

The secret weapon, of course, is the in-bridge piezo; the active pickups
are mostly to drive this. It's a Fishman acoustic system; there's a small
on-board preamp/mixer, so you can mix the output of this with the magnetic
pickups, which gives you a lot of versatility tone-wise. (If you get
the right lead, you can actually route the magnetic and piezo pickups
to separate amps, though I've never tried that.)

> >>  Encore P-bass clone,<<
>  
> Always surprised by the numbers of decent looking cheapo basses out there  
> (?100 or so). Quite tempted given the escalating price of vintage ones...

I started bass before guitar. It's large, heavy, cheap and works.

> Apparently so. I've got the TB606 drum machine that goes with it  too.

Well, if you ever need cash in a hurry, I suspect eBay is your friend :)

- - A
- -- 
Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge     http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/
Programme Controller, CUR1350               http://www.cur1350.co.uk/
email: andrew@lexical.org.uk              
Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 10pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? 

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:00:44 EDT
From: RLynn9@aol.com
Subject: [idealcopy] Liars

wow...i just picked up a copy of the Liars second disc: "They Were Wrong So 
We Drowned" .......it absolutely smokes the first album.....it sounds as if 
This Heat,The Pop Group, PIL, Faust,Gang of Four, Throbbing Gristle, and Coil 
were thrown into a witches cauldron and boiled into a venemous concoction 
post-post-punk-poison.....

nice stuff.....nice to see something other than crap come out of NYC..
RL

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:00:22 +0100
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.indoorminer@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd

> I was just wondering who else noodles around with music out there?
> Obviously there's some signed musicians here (hi Tim), but I'm
> wondering who else plays around with audio. I'd have thought some of
> you out there would.
>
> I could well be wrong, of course!

I'd more or less stopped playing till a year or so ago, but have recently
started playing a mate. Nothing down on tape as yet, but soon-ish hopefully.
It's gonna be pretty much acoustic based, though I will be endeavouring to
avoid coming on all worthy singer-songwriter ; )

>  (No, I'm not going to post any mp3s to the list, don't worry...)
>
> Oh yeah:- that goes for me, too:- I'll not be bothering anyone with mp3's
either  ;-)

Why not? If people don't want to play them they won't, if they do they will.
I really liked Paul P's stuff for example.

Keith

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:31:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Fergus Kelly <lockupyourhats@yahoo.com>
Subject: [idealcopy] Drift: Resonant Cities

Some old work of mine (from 1999) is online at the
moment, details below...

Andrew asked about noodling... I'm a protools man
meself... any and all sound sources: adapted and
invented instruments, industrial and domestic detritus
and other indeterminate flotsam, percussion, metals,
field recordings, food, furniture, samples,
electronics. 

Some MP3s & Realaudio here: 

http://whisperinggallery.com/wg/personnel/kelly/music.php


Though the work in the exhibition below was created on
Cubase.



DRIFT Radio: Resonant Cities
25 - 31 July
Sonic Ghosts programme 2
http://www.mediascot.org/drift

DRIFT: Resonant Cities

How we listen and how aware we are of the 'noise' 
around us is at the 
heart of the wealth of works submitted and selected 
for Resonant
Cities, a series of themed radio programmes curated by

Robert H. King.

The programmes are presented in three distinct themes.

The first is 
Sonic Ghosts: the works presented for this strand of

programmes are 
reconstructed and processed moments in time and space,

events now gone, 
and found sound atmospheres. Sonic Ghosts programme 2 
features sound 
works by two accomplished artists: Fergus Kelly's 
'Invisible City'; and 
John Levack Drever's 'Phonographies: Glasgow, 
Frankfurt, Exeter'.

To listen to the stream, and for further information 
visit the DRIFT  web
site at http://www.mediascot.org/drift

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P.O. Box 23434, Edinburgh EH7 5SZ
Tel. +44 131 477 3774
info@mediascot.org
http://www.mediascot.org
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:54:11 +0100
From: "Ian B" <ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: Keith Astbury <keith.indoorminer@virgin.net>
> I'd more or less stopped playing till a year or so ago, but have recently
> started playing a mate. 

Ribs like a xylophone eh Keith?  

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:44:26 +0100
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.indoorminer@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT  Any Musos? WAS Blue nile new cd

> From: Keith Astbury <keith.indoorminer@virgin.net>
> > I'd more or less stopped playing till a year or so ago, but have
recently
> > started playing a mate.
>
> Ribs like a xylophone eh Keith?

LOL! Excellent!!

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:20:53 -0700
From: Paul Pietromonaco <paulp@wrq.com>
Subject: [idealcopy] B.C. Gilbert Ordier and musos!!

Hi everyone,

I stopped by my local music store - Easy Street Records, Mercer St. in
Seattle - to pick up the Hammerbox 10 year anniversary reunion CD, and
noticed a small box.  As you might have guessed from the Subject of this
e-mail, it's the B.C. Gilbert Ordier CD.  Did this finally come out
everywhere?  Or was I just lucky?  

If you haven't seen it, the box is cool.  It's a small wooden box, with a
sliding panel.  I'm playing the Hammerbox right now, but I expect to open
this next.

Also, as a few of you know, I do dabble in music.  (^_^) I used to be in a
Seattle area band around the time of Hammerbox - 1991 - but we were never
famous.  Our only real claim to fame is that The Presidents of The United
States of America opened for us once at the Romper Room.  Still, for a trip
down memory lane:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ppietro/aftmain.htm

Lately, I've been working on more electronic music.  For those who like
lists of equipment, I have the following synths:  a Korg MS-2000, an
Oberheim OB-12, and a Moog Minimoog Voyager Signature Edition.  I also have
a Korg Electribe ER-1 Rhythm Synthesizer (analog-ish drum machine).  Left
over from the grunge days, I also have a 1987 Fender American Standard Strat
Plus, and a 1997 Fender American Standard Strat Plus Deluxe that I play thru
a black cloth Fender 75 Amp.  For those quieter moments, I have a 1969
Martin D-35 acoustic that is the pride of my collection.  I record on a
TASCAM PortaStudio 424 MkII and lately on an Alesis ADAT-XT thru a Behringer
mixer.  Mixing is done to a Sony 75-ES DAT machine.  No computers are used
except for preparation of CDs and MP3s.  The DAT mixes are transferred
digitally to the computer.

You can hear some of my music here:
http://tenchi.weasel-bot.com/mirror
&
http://tenchi.weasel-bot.com/mirror2

An older, lowbandwidth page with RealAudio and WMA is here:  
http://www.weasel-bot.com/ptunes

The latest thing I've been working on is a cover for a Sneaker Pimps fan
project.  You can hear the latest version here:
http://tenchi.weasel-bot.com/uncover

It's the big file! (^_^).  The vocals are by my girlfriend Dana.
Unfortunately, we haven't had time to quite finish it.  We need to transfer
it to a safety tape, and re-cut the vocals and remix.  Maybe next month....

Cheers,
Paul

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:42:05 -0400
From: "Creaig Dunton" <creaig@2fmp.com>
Subject: RE: [idealcopy] B.C. Gilbert Ordier and musos!!

Pretty sure Ordier came out most places, I picked mine up from a Borders
Books & Music (surprisingly) here in Orlando a few weeks ago, nice packaging
and disc overall!

- --
Creaig Dunton
http://www.2fmp.com/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On
> Behalf Of Paul Pietromonaco
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 7:21 PM
> To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org'
> Subject: [idealcopy] B.C. Gilbert Ordier and musos!!
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I stopped by my local music store - Easy Street Records, Mercer St. in
> Seattle - to pick up the Hammerbox 10 year anniversary reunion CD, and
> noticed a small box.  As you might have guessed from the Subject of this
> e-mail, it's the B.C. Gilbert Ordier CD.  Did this finally come out
> everywhere?  Or was I just lucky?
>
> If you haven't seen it, the box is cool.  It's a small wooden box, with a
> sliding panel.  I'm playing the Hammerbox right now, but I expect to open
> this next.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:57:44 +0100
From: "Keith Knight" <steeleknight@lineone.net>
Subject: RE: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels

I love Big Brother and unlike Keith am really enjoying this more
in-your-face series (although I also enjoyed last year's boring series).
I have no real interest in them outside the House and actually get
irritated when one from past series re-enters my ken - but not reading
the scum press and avoiding most other celebrity TV means that most of
it passes me by.  

But while it's on, it's gripping whether or not anyone is doing
anything.  It's something to do with the way that character is laid bare
despite their attempts to put on a show (e.g. in this series Jason
entered wearing only a thong but is in fact an insecure, depressed man
who actually probably really dislikes what he is), something to do with
the inherent excitement of the format and of course something to do with
a freakshow.  This year has been an absolute cracker from Week One.  

I'm off to watch it now!

Another the Keith

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On
Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com
Sent: 28 July 2004 17:29
To: zak_blakk@yahoo.com; idealcopy@smoe.org
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels

You  watching the 'House of the braindead' for a bet, then, Keith?    


Indeed. Can't see the appeal at all of watching desperate young people
being 
humiliated in a vain quest for 'fame', especially now the novelty value
of  
the concept has evaporated.
 
Mark

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:02:22 -0500
From: Doug Wittner <wittner@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B.C. Gilbert Ordier and musos!!

Re: Ordier

> If you haven't seen it, the box is cool.  It's a small wooden box, with a
> sliding panel.  I'm playing the Hammerbox right now, but I expect to open
> this next.

if anyone is interested, i saw today at the local shop that Table Of
The Elements has issued a John Cale vinyl box set in the same 
packaging, just (obviously) bigger and of a dark/black color.  there
were no notes on the outside box, but i'm reckoning this is a vinyl
issue of the 3 Cale CDs that TOTE put out a few years back?  pretty
slick looking item...i think it's called "The New York Years" or some
such.

d

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