From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #223 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, July 29 2004 Volume 07 : Number 223 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd [Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels As I said, both Miniatures and Hybrid Kids I've only got on (late 70's) cassette tape so I would be very grateful for cdr copies as well. Address: Vechtstraat 91, 9725 CT, Groningen, Netherlands. Bart (quick Bart, think up something nice to say about the Blue Nile) ;-) > Chris > > I think you may have offered to do this for me backwhen but I declined > as someone else said they would but it never happened - or something. > I'd already approached Bart for a copy this evening but if you're > willing to do a copy I'd be grateful and it would save Bart the bother > (assuming he's even got it). > > Address is > > 19 Edward St > Luton > LU2 0NF > > Thanks > > Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >>I like em'. Blue Nile are a period piece. Very well produced, highly polished 80s adult-pop sure enough, but with an underlying aching sadness and some odd, melodically interesting things going on beneath the surface sheen.<< Me too. There's an icy Europeanness to them which I suspect is why they strike a chord with the Wire massive. The music is metronomic and hi-tech, which sets up the soul-boy vocals a treat. It's what the Associates might have become by a fourth or fifth album if Rankine had stuck around and Billy had kept the theatrics in check. You can number me among their admirers too. Probably, on reflection, for the very things stated above. I'd almost forgotten about them 'til I heard 'Tinseltown in the rain' being used as a theme fro a TV drama here a couple of years back, and revisited their stuff subsequently. If it gets slated for sounding dated, then so be it: I'm not overly bothered what trendy muso-journalists think, so long as it still sounds good to these ears. Perhaps it's 80's K/B sounds that tends to plonk some music squarely in it's timeframe: for the mid/late 80's, it's the rather thin, fizzy, sterile Yamaha DX7 sounds, and the more lush Roland LA synths that instantly date anything from that time. >>That particular sound is very unfashionable at the moment...but file alongside XTC's Skylarking, any 80s Prefab Sprout and Kate Bush's Hounds of Love as wonderful records which have a sound considered 'dated' by music journalists who get excited over Alt-Country, White Shites and their dusty old valve-driven purist drivel.<< //// Easy on those valves, now..... Hounds of Love/Walk across the rooftops are very much of a kind - compare Running up that hill with Tinseltown in the rain. Same state-of-the-art (circa 1984) keyboard sounds. Skylarking was produced by Todd Rundgren, a man for whom 80s keyboard sounds will forever be the sound of tomorrow. Mark But in his case, that'd be mainly the last-generation analogue poly synths, and the hybrids, which are capable of much richer timbres, generally. However, I will concede that Rundgren's productions are an aquired taste, in that they all sound similar: High treble content ,thin mids, and scooped-out bass ends, with drums sounding , almost without exception, like the bastard offspring of a drumkit and a set of cardboard boxes being hit, with great splashy cymbals where present. Then a liberal wash of stereo chorus or Roland's Dimension 'D' gizmo over large chunks of the mix. I like them, as they tend to have an immediacy, but many loathe TR's 'sound'. Derek Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:34:58 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd > >>I like em'. Blue Nile are a period piece. > It's what the Associates might have > become by a fourth or fifth album if Rankine had stuck around and Billy had kept > the theatrics in check. I like the BN, but they're not *THAT* good! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels I'll see what I can do:- it's the hookup of turntable to m' friend's computer that may be the bugbear here:- I don't have the facility to do it myself, I'm afraid:- if I want stuff copied from CD's, I have to ask this pal to do it, which is generally OK. However, I don't know how he'd react to my bringing in the record deck, 13 Amp extension lead etc. I can only ask. As for *that* argument, 'tis ancient history Tim. File under done & dusted. I can argue my corner with some verve, then forget it. No grudges, no shit-list. Life's just too damn short, n'est pas? ;-) I'll look into it. If you manage to get a copy from anywhere else first, will you let me know..............? DW Tim wrote: I sooooo want this! For reasons too complex to go into, a CD-R of this song would make the perfect birthday prezzie for a mate of mine.... Have tried to find a download to no avail. Derek, Any chance of getting this ripped to mp3? (Tim, Cap in hand..humblingly apologising for *that* argument which I can only half remember...ahem...) Derek White wrote: > As one of the [at least] three people who have 'Hybrid Kids Vol 1', > The version of Kate Bush's "Wuthering Heights" is recommended for > anyone in serious need of a grin. Imagine vocals done in a plaintive > cartoon 'Oo-arr' West Country accent, over a stop-start sort of dub > reggae backing. Priceless ! Can't recall what else is on the E.P., > but IIRC all 4 tracks are parodies of stuff around at that time. > Can't say I play it much, but I'm glad it's there. :-) > > Not familiar with the Byrne/Eno 'homage' you speak of tho', but I am > intrigued....... New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:52:07 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels > As for *that* argument, 'tis ancient history Tim. File under done & dusted. Aww. I love a happy ending ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels Spooky synchronicity indeed..... You watching the 'House of the braindead' for a bet, then, Keith? Monochromatic Man wrote: It's kinda like 42, how everything is connected... - --- Keith Knight wrote: > In a remarkable coincidence and possibly evidence of > idealcopy's > cultural reach, tonight's Big Brother highlights (I > watch it so you > don't have to) featured the Wurzels' Combine > Harvester not once, but > twice - first as a wake-up call and then played by > Michelle on recorder > as part of a task. Tomorrow - Nadia and Daniel play > extracts from > Manscape. > > Another the Keith > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:29:03 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels You watching the 'House of the braindead' for a bet, then, Keith? Indeed. Can't see the appeal at all of watching desperate young people being humiliated in a vain quest for 'fame', especially now the novelty value of the concept has evaporated. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:20:32 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels In a message dated 28/07/2004 17:32:42 GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Indeed. Can't see the appeal at all of watching desperate young people > being > humiliated in a vain quest for 'fame', especially now the novelty value of > the concept has evaporated. > /////if it were not for such shite the whole horrible circle of tabloids / crap tv channels / crap celebrity magazines would instantly run out of material. so i suspect we have far from seen the last of them. (though i do recall watching BB at 4 or 5 am when trying to pacify an insomniac baby. quite surreal viewing ; just film of people asleep in beds for a few hours when you wish you were in yours. strangely compelling.......) p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:00:10 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd ----- Skylarking was produced by Todd Rundgren, a man for whom 80s keyboard sounds will forever be the sound of tomorrow. - --------- I always felt Skylarking was one of the best sounding albums of the 80s. The production was as slick and nuanced as The Beatles "Abbey Road", though the track Sacrificial Bonfire sounds like they were channeling Pete Townshend. PS - I love the spell check on Outlook Express. It wanted to render Jethro Tull as Metro Toll and Sprinsteen as Spinster. I would be pretty funny to type in a list of band names and see what the "corrected" versions were. sg http://www.sourmashusa.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:53:00 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] and Dereck wrote........ > >>Devo played the Knebworth festival one year I was > there (1978 I > think), and their set was one of the oddest 45 minutes Those festival settings are not really the place to see these kind of bands, no? The whole point of (circa 78) anticorporate rock bands was that the pantomime big gesture theatre of stadium/festival gigs was the polar opposite of the effect a band could achieve in a club or intimate venue. Every sense of nuance is perforce lost when projecting to an audience of uberthousands instead of close range impact of a club. In my teenage years (the 70s) I made the regular pilgrimages to Madison Square Garden to see the big names i.e. Zeppelin, the Who, Jethro Tull, Neil Young etc etc - which was all I knew about pre 78, but after discovering the impact of seeing bands in places like CBGB and Max's even though I occasionally went to a "big" gig (like Sprinsteen and a dozen others in NYC NO NUKE S - 500,000 people) nothing quite satisfied, or was a magical as being where you could see the sweat on their face. sg http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [idealcopy] and Dereck wrote........ > I've ever seen:- from > early on, it was pretty clear that the majority of the > crowd ( & if it > *was* '78, that'd be the P.Collins-era Genesis massive > ) just didn't > get it, and were increasingly hostile. The band > soldiered gamely on for a > while, then IIRC, ground to a halt halfway through a > song, lined up > stage front, the 'frontman' (sic) said something like > "We are > dissillusioned. We are leaving now" and trooped off, > in single file, to a bemused > mixture of applause, catcalls,shouts of "piss off" and > the odd ballistic > beer can or two. Good example of grace under > pressure, I thought.<< > Seems to me that (unless you were in a disco,which I > never did) that Devo were purely a 'vision' group,I > mean,80 minutes of Devo on c.d?I'd rather be deaf,but > to watch 'em perform on ze box?Yes Please......Ari > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > As for *that* argument, 'tis ancient history Tim. > File under done & > dusted. > > Aww. I love a happy ending ; ) You're such a softie.........how's the leather these days? A > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:37:24 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels > Indeed. Can't see the appeal at all of watching desperate young people being > humiliated in a vain quest for 'fame', especially now the novelty value of > the concept has evaporated. > > Mark Can't get into this series at all, for all their 'big' characters. Preferred it when last years boring lot were there myself. But if you want reality TV, then Wife Swap's the one. Described in todays Times as 'the most olitically charged programme on television'!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:47:08 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] and Dereck wrote........ > or was a magical as being where > you could see the sweat on their face. > sg Oh...that brought back memories of the lads at Brighton 18 months ago... Incidentally, I mentioned the Devo festival perofrmance that Derek saw to someone else, and it turned out he was there, too. He said... Devo were brilliant, eventhough their set was shorter than it should have been and yes!....they did indeed march off in single file - I remember them being absolutely showered with beer cans and other such missiles- not that it really caused much harm as they were all wearing crash helmets and elbow / knee pads like skate-boarders!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:52:58 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd > MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > Me too. There's an icy Europeanness to them which I suspect is why > they strike a chord with the Wire massive. Who originally coined the phrase 'Icy European Cool' (which I use all the time!) and who were they talking about I wonder?? > Perhaps it's 80's K/B sounds that tends to plonk some music squarely > in it's timeframe: for the mid/late 80's, it's the rather thin, > fizzy, sterile Yamaha DX7 sounds, and the more lush Roland LA synths > that instantly date anything from that time. Read an interesting article with Brian Eno in one of those electronic music gear-mags recently, and Eno still swears by the DX7 and still uses 'em. He insists that the problem with DX7 was that everyone used the cheesy factory pre-set sounds, but if you get your hands in its innards it can be programmed to do quite amazing things. He's right, I have the software version, The FM7, which unlike the original synth makes it much easier to tweak all its settings (you don't need a degree in Acoustics to operate it anymore!) and it can do so much more than that 80s plinky plonk its maligned for. Its quite an incredible synth really, and it is still very much in use today in its software form...y'all just wouldn't recognise it! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:30:11 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 12:52:58AM +0100, Tim wrote: > He's right, I have the software version, The FM7, which unlike the > original synth makes it much easier to tweak all its settings (you don't > need a degree in Acoustics to operate it anymore!) and it can do so much > more than that 80s plinky plonk its maligned for. Its quite an > incredible synth really, and it is still very much in use today in its > software form...y'all just wouldn't recognise it! I'm currently very taken with the Subtractor synth from Reason, but I don't know enough about synthesis to tell you what class if falls in. (No, I'm not going to post any mp3s to the list, don't worry...) I was just wondering who else noodles around with music out there? Obviously there's some signed musicians here (hi Tim), but I'm wondering who else plays around with audio. I'd have thought some of you out there would. I could well be wrong, of course! - - A - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:49:24 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Skylarking (was Blue Nile, whoever they are... ) Bought Skylarking, played it once, ignored it... Must dig it out again! No more mention of Wurzels please - it gives me a headache thinking that the bane of our lives in the West Country are figuring on a Wire list ;-) Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Graziano [mailto:sjgraziano@hotmail.com] Sent: 28 July 2004 20:00 To: MarkBursa@aol.com; tim@kidsindestructible.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd ----- Skylarking was produced by Todd Rundgren, a man for whom 80s keyboard sounds will forever be the sound of tomorrow. - --------- I always felt Skylarking was one of the best sounding albums of the 80s. The production was as slick and nuanced as The Beatles "Abbey Road", though the track Sacrificial Bonfire sounds like they were channeling Pete Townshend. PS - I love the spell check on Outlook Express. It wanted to render Jethro Tull as Metro Toll and Sprinsteen as Spinster. I would be pretty funny to type in a list of band names and see what the "corrected" versions were. sg http://www.sourmashusa.com ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #223 *******************************