From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #221 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, July 27 2004 Volume 07 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] githead on posteverything..... [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #220 ["mileta okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice [Derek White <] Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] Blue nile new cd [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice ["Stephen Graz] Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Githead news [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice [MarkBursa@aol] Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice ["Stephen Graz] Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice ["Stephen Graz] Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice [Paul Pietromo] Re: [idealcopy] Blue nile new cd [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= ] [idealcopy] and Dereck wrote........ [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels......mcfly [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] OT: Devo again... + Pixies live, but no Wire [=?iso-8859-1?q?] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:51:06 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] githead on posteverything..... Gihead are b Malka Spigel, Robin Rimbaud & Colin Newman Githead are very new, yet in their short existence have managed to craft a style which is both original yet accessible. Combining rhythmic toughness with interweaving guitars, insistently funky basslines with deadpan vocals, Their debut EP "HeadGit" will both surprise and charm audiences. Githeadbs reputation is rapidly building on the strength of their live shows, their highly energetic performances impressing with their willingness to eschew conventional logic and push themselves into new artistic directions. The music acknowledges the physical power of sound without forgoing the chance to stimulate more intellectual responses. Githead are currently midway through recording an album for 2005 release. Githead's "HeadGit" (wm34) should be available by late September. Tracklisting b Reset/ To Have & To Hold/ Fake Corpses/ Craft is Dead/ Profile/ 12 Buildings - Final running order TBC .....shame i never made the gig ; anyone go? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:12:27 +0200 From: "mileta okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #220 It is recorded in SR studio on Iceland and there was SR members contribution(s). If i am not wrong AL supported SR on some gigs, btw, i downloaded live rendition of "new" song SR have - BIG -and with few they presented on last tour it is more than promising.. i was just confudsing with comments of people who witnessed recording, that they sound like some of most"clear" tunes from last Belle & Sebastian album (produced by Trevor Horn) Album Leaf last year one on Arena Rock label / split CD with On! Air! Library ! already sound in some segments like ( ) outtakes... Tristeza ( Lavelle is also member) is highly recommended for Mogwai, GY!BE, post-rock fans.. > > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:11:23 +0100 > From: Andrew Walkingshaw > Subject: [idealcopy] ot: Sigur Ros fans... > > Hi - > > For those of you out there are fans of Sigur Ros, I think you'll > really like the new record from the Album Leaf, "In a Safe Place" > (City Slang in Europe except Germany / Labels EMI in Germany / Sub Pop > in the US). > > http://www.thealbumleaf.com/ > . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T for Brian Wilson fans...... - -- > > http://www.rhino.com/store/ProductDetail.lasso?Number=79960 > http://www.rhino.com/store/ProductDetail.lasso?Number=73928 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:24:38 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels > mcfly are vaguely like blink 182 but about ten years younger. i just bought the cd for my 9 year old nieces' birthday (not played it yet , but.....). suspect its copy protected but if any of you guys want a copy i could probably run a few off :-) p I know I'm damning it with faint praise, but at least they're a step up from the more trad boy bands of a couple of years ago. At least the kids now stand a chance! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:36:53 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels......mcfly >I know I'm damning it with faint praise, but at least they're a step up from >the more trad boy bands of a couple of years ago. > >At least the kids now stand a chance! /////well this is my brother's theory too , he got dragged to see busted and said it wasn't THAT bad (compared to boy/girl bands on the same bill. these bands tend to hunt in packs and you get 15 minutes each from 10 bands due to the attention span and consumption of colourful fizzy drinks of the audience in question). my brother is a big fan of cope/mcnabb/mike scott/pete wylie so he clearly understands the concept of suffering at a gig , i'll have to trust him on this. my oldest is now 3 so i fear i may be getting dragged along to some very dodgy stuff in the not-too-distant. though hopefully not as dodgy as ian mcnabb. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:43:26 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels......mcfly > my brother is a big fan of cope/mcnabb/mike scott/pete wylie so he clearly understands the concept of suffering at a gig Oy!! Actually - and it's big statement alert time! - I reckon Cope is probably the best live performer I've seen. Honestly. I've seen him about 20 times now, and though it obvously helps that I like his music, I'm pretty sure I'd enjoy his performance regardless. And that heavy rock stuff of late certainly sounds much better live with that added glam beat and some nutter stomping around the stage like a mad neanderthal with a fake American accent!! > my oldest is now 3 so i fear i may be getting dragged along to some very dodgy stuff in the not-too-distant. though hopefully not as dodgy as ian mcnabb. p Just to get on topic, I'm currently guilty of wanting to live my kids life. My eldest reckons he's going to a festival in Spain where the lads are playing. Him and his girlfriend took great pleasure in telling me that Brian Wilson and Kraftwerk are also playing. Gitts!! K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:45:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels Bart van Damme wrote: I bet Jah Wurzel was in the Wurzels! ;-) He supposedly did a smashing Wuthering Heights version on Morgan Fisher's Hybrid Kids Volume 1 (his stunning My-Life-in-the-Shepherds-Bush-of-Ghosts album which was created in Notting Hill on a four track tape recorder at a cost of #25). Bart You are being ironic here, right? Former Mott keyboard tinkler Morgan Fisher *WAS* Jah Wurzel. As one of the [at least] three people who have 'Hybrid Kids Vol 1', The version of Kate Bush's "Wuthering Heights" is recommended for anyone in serious need of a grin. Imagine vocals done in a plaintive cartoon 'Oo-arr' West Country accent, over a stop-start sort of dub reggae backing. Priceless ! Can't recall what else is on the E.P., but IIRC all 4 tracks are parodies of stuff around at that time. Can't say I play it much, but I'm glad it's there. :-) Not familiar with the Byrne/Eno 'homage' you speak of tho', but I am intrigued....... New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:22:31 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels >> I bet Jah Wurzel was in the Wurzels! ;-) >> He supposedly did a smashing Wuthering Heights version on Morgan Fisher's >> Hybrid Kids Volume 1 (his stunning My-Life-in-the-Shepherds-Bush-of-Ghosts >> album which was created in Notting Hill on a four track tape recorder at a >> cost of #25). > Bart > You are being ironic here, right? Former Mott keyboard tinkler Morgan Fisher > *WAS* Jah Wurzel. Sure Derek, hence the ;-) I'm a fan from... well, from its release date really. Lots of great stuff on Hybrid Kids, but Mr. Fisher's Miniatures I play more often. You have that one as well? (I have both on cassette - my brother has 'em on vinyl) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 24/07/2004 14:12:00 GMT Daylight Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: actually devo are probably ripe for re-assessment. the 80's stuff is pretty horrible but those first 2 albums are really good. darn sight better than orange juice for a start.....) p It seems that these days, one M Mothersbaugh(?) is earning a crust from scoring playing and producing the incidental music for the 'Rugrats' cartoon? At least I'm *assuming* it's the same MM who was in Devo......'de-evolution' indeed.......whatever, 'Mongoloid' & 'Jocko Homo' are *still* gems to my ears. Devo played the Knebworth festival one year I was there (1978 I think), and their set was one of the oddest 45 minutes I've ever seen:- from early on, it was pretty clear that the majority of the crowd ( & if it *was* '78, that'd be the P.Collins-era Genesis massive ) just didn't get it, and were increasingly hostile. The band soldiered gamely on for a while, then IIRC, ground to a halt halfway through a song, lined up stage front, the 'frontman' (sic) said something like "We are dissillusioned. We are leaving now" and trooped off, in single file, to a bemused mixture of applause, catcalls,shouts of "piss off" and the odd ballistic beer can or two. Good example of grace under pressure, I thought. As for the ongoing Orange Juice/ Edwyn Collins appraisal, I had the misfortune to see one of those late night 'in concert' things that were introduced by UK TV producer Mike Mansfield, round about 1991 or 1992, featuring Edwyn and IIRC a solitary guy backing him up on guitar and occasional vocals, and I'm sorry to say it was perhaps one of, if not THE single worst performance of a musical nature in any forum, anytime. Not only were the songs *so* completely lame they should have been humanely put down, with their attempt at knowing 'smartarse-ery' but they were performed in an ill-rehearsed, ramshackle fashion with Edwyn's singing being horribly flat throughout the entire show. The 'guitar breaks' brought no relief as they were equally atrocious. His sidekick just looked embarrassed, but Edwyn seemed utterly oblivious to the onstage death he was dying . When little over 12 months later he had a big hit with the ersatz Isley Bro's "A girl like you" no-one was more surprised than I.......... I've never had the inclination to check out any of his works since. O.J's "Rip it up" I guess was OK, but if that was the best thing in his canon, well...... Derek Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:54:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels Oh Crap!....my speed-reading technique needs some work. I completely missed the ;-). The Hybrid kids EP I have is on vinyl:- I'm surprised, given it would be a pretty low-volume product that it made it out on more than one format ! No, I don't have the 'Minatures' release, either. What's on that? More parodies ? Bart van Damme wrote: >> I bet Jah Wurzel was in the Wurzels! ;-) >> He supposedly did a smashing Wuthering Heights version on Morgan Fisher's >> Hybrid Kids Volume 1 (his stunning My-Life-in-the-Shepherds-Bush-of-Ghosts >> album which was created in Notting Hill on a four track tape recorder at a >> cost of #25). > Bart > You are being ironic here, right? Former Mott keyboard tinkler Morgan Fisher > *WAS* Jah Wurzel. Sure Derek, hence the ;-) I'm a fan from... well, from its release date really. Lots of great stuff on Hybrid Kids, but Mr. Fisher's Miniatures I play more often. You have that one as well? (I have both on cassette - my brother has 'em on vinyl) Bart Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:24:47 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blue nile new cd But I feel your pain brother ;-) I'm in a band where the other 3 don9t "get" Wire. That alone is enough for me to know we will never really amount up to much. I haven't heard The Blue Nile's entire backcatalogue, it's just that what I did hear didn't impress me. Bart >> Don't count me in. They're just like so many other 80's bands I didn't >> really mind at the time, but seem totally irrelevant today. > Hi Bart > Never thought I would laugh out loud at such a sincere statement completely > & utterly at odds with my own thoughts. > They are very unique in my opinion & have probably influenced countless > groups & solo artists over the last 20 odd years with a relatively tiny > collection of songs. > They may not be to everybodys taste but totally irrelevant I would argue > till the cows come home is out of order. > Have a look at their website (which I admit I have not done so recently) & I > would guarantee you renditions by countless lovesick individuals espousing > their greatness go on at length about how their music has changed their > lives. > OK so what I really mean is they are just a class act above all that 80's > mediocraty.Hard to find. > > Chris > NP. > The Creatures - Anima Animus > > > And by the way...Wire related topic approaching. > I listened to Bruce's The Haring yesterday & noticed the spoken lyrics for > Kidney Bingos which was a surprise to me. > I really like the last track children in a bizarre sort of way.Hits a nerve > somewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:27:31 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels No, I don't have the 'Minatures' release, either. What's on that? More parodies ? Lots of very short (<1 min) songs, all played by Morgan Fisher, all different styles. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:02:20 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels > The Hybrid kids EP I have is on vinyl:- I'm surprised, given it would be a > pretty low-volume product that it made it out on more than one format ! > No, I don't have the 'Minatures' release, either. What's on that? More > parodies ? Not really: "Morgan Fisher curated the groundbreaking Miniatures project with contributions from The Residents, Michael Nyman and Fred Frith amongst others, and with saxophonist Lol Coxhill recorded the proto ambient Slow Music." http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/experimental/reviews/fisher_hybrid.shtml All contributors were given exactly one minute to do their trick. Some of it funny, some experimental and some quite beautiful. I wish there'd be more of these kind of initiatives. Ahem... I believe this could very well be the third time I send this Morgan Fisher stuff ;-) Bart Tracklist: 1. ollie halsall & john halsey / bum love 2. the residents / we're a happy family + bali ha'i 3. roger mcgough / the wreck of the hesperus 4. morgan fisher / green and pleasant 5. john otway / mine tonight 6. pete challis & phil diplock / my way 7. robert wyatt / rangers in the nightst 8. stinky winkles / opus 9. mary longford / body language 10. andy 'thunderclap' newman / andy the dentist 11. david bedford / wagner's ring in one minute 12. fred frith / the entire works of henry cow 13. maggie nicols / look beneath the surface 14. joseph racaille / week-end 15. the work vwith wings pressed back 16. neil innes & son / cum on feel the noize 17. herbert distel / toscany in blue (last minute) 18. lol coxhill / an end to the matter 19. ken ellis / one minute in the life of ivan denisovich 20. steve miller / alice 21. norman lovett / john peel sings the blues badly 22. patrick portella / serrons nous les coudes 23. george melly / sounds that saved my life 24. robert fripp / miniature 25. andy partridge (xtc) / the history of rock'n'roll 26. phantom captain / breather 27. ron geesin / enterbrain exit 28. alejandro viqao / an imaginary orchestrina 29. quentin crisp / stop the music for a minute 30. simon desorgher / tetrad 31. ralph steadman / sweetest love (lament after a broken sashcord on a theme of john donne) 32. r.d.laing & son / tipperary 33. trevor wishart / beach double 34. john white / scene de ballet 35. ivor cutler / brooch boat 36. hector zazou / do tell us 37. michael bass & ellen tenenbaum / a miniaturization of bartok's sonata for two pianos & percussion (3rd movement) 38. martin chambers (the pretenders) / a swift one 39. bob cobbing & henri chopin / refreshment break 40. dave vanian (the damned) / night touch 41. metabolist / racing poodles 42. gavin bryars / after mendelssohn (137 years) 43. 1/2 japanese / paint it black 44. simon jeffes / arthur's treat 45. mark perry / talking world war iii blues 46. michael nyman / 89-90-91-92 47. david cunningham (the flying lizards) / index of ends 48. kevin coyne / james, mark & me (in the manner of tom waits) 49. etron fou leloublan / hep! 50. neil oram & ken campbell & the science fiction theatre of liverpool / the minute warp 51. pete seeger / chorale from beethoven's 9th symphony bonus tracks on 1994 cd: 52. no artists / one minutes silence 53. all artists / the miniatures miniature http://www.morgan-fisher.com/discogpages_e/miniatures.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:05:53 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice Ah Devo. One of the prominent features of the character of American "punk/new wave/alternative/underground" bands of the 70s was a sort of anti-rock braininess. The American scene of the 70s wasn't so much about social protest/comment as it was about individuality and not having to fit into prepercieved "cool" or "accepted" youth motifs - which for 95% of US 70s youth was Zep, Sab, Purple rock, denim pants and jackets, pot and downers and booze, hanging out getting stoned and getting laid - see Linkletter's "Slacker" for a really accurate view of 'mainstream' 70s American youth. So many US acts emphasized nerdiness, noncoolness, almost bizarre individuality - an I'm so uncool if I wasn't in a band I'd be a freak show exhibition. Ohio it seems had more than it's share of these types. After Pere Ubu (who were freakin' weird in 75-77 in a scary pre David Lynch Eraserhead urban desolation way) and the Dead Boys you had the likes of Devo, Wazmo Nariz (he of the two ties shtick), Skafish (HP Lovecraft meets Joan Crawford), Tin Huey, The Waitresses amongst others. I really liked Devo in the 70s. They had a weird kind of retrofuturism going, we certainly anti-rockist, and had this wonderful 'high-concept' philosophy of devolution going. They had some good tunes, squirmy subject matter (no fast cars/fast girls/party till you drop topics) and were cutting edge w/ some technological ideas - they were into the visual/video thing way ahead of the curve. The first time I saw them play (NYCs Bottom Line just after the release of the first album) they were their own opening act on TV show the film "The Truth About Devolution" But it's hard to maintain high-concept subject matter over the course of albums. And Devo being on a major label were subject to the usual corporate pressures. In order to sell records and maintain a career, they had to dumb down and noveltyize themselves. Whether that was a sell-out, or a brilliant subversion of the American corporate mentality we'll leave to another discussion, but Devo quickly became 'cute' to the average 'new wave' w/ novelty gags like Whip It and Working in A Coalmine. Remember, the only bands in the whole of the US underground that had any kind of mainstream (i.e. chart) success (new wave phase one) were Talking Heads (neurotic psychotics turned into quirky big suit wearing goonies), Blondie (high-concept pure plastic popsters (relisten to album 1 - it has really grown over the years) inhabiting a Warhol universe to just another pretty face), the Cars, the Go Gos. So anyway, Devo died (artistically) pretty early on. But in American, the corpse will breathe (and prosper) for years afterward. sg np - Fairport Convention - Heyday remastered http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek White" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice > CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 24/07/2004 14:12:00 GMT Daylight Time, > PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > > actually devo are probably ripe for re-assessment. the 80's stuff is pretty > horrible but those first 2 albums are really good. darn sight better than > orange juice for a start.....) p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:26:22 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels My understanding is Morgan Fisher just offered the one-minute framework for others to fill in... Great blues from John Peel: "I gave myself a ring, to make sure I was not in... but I waaaaas, because I answered, wasn't that a funny thing... oh yeaaaaaaaaah..." Bart > Lots of very short (<1 min) songs, all played by Morgan Fisher, all > different styles. > Mark >> No, I don't have the 'Minatures' release, either. What's on that? More >> parodies ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:52:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Githead news Gihead are  Malka Spigel, Robin Rimbaud & Colin Newman Githead are very new, yet in their short existence have managed to craft a style which is both original yet accessible. Combining rhythmic toughness with interweaving guitars, insistently funky basslines with deadpan vocals, Their debut EP "HeadGit" will both surprise and charm audiences. Githeads reputation is rapidly building on the strength of their live shows, their highly energetic performances impressing with their willingness to eschew conventional logic and push themselves into new artistic directions. The music acknowledges the physical power of sound without forgoing the chance to stimulate more intellectual responses. Githead are currently midway through recording an album for 2005 release. Githead's "HeadGit" (wm34) should be available by late September. Tracklisting  Reset/ To Have & To Hold/ Fake Corpses/ Craft is Dead/ Profile/ 12 Buildings - Final running order TBC __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:10:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice In a message dated 7/27/2004 5:26:02 PM GMT Daylight Time, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: >>So many US acts emphasized nerdiness, noncoolness, almost bizarre individuality - an I'm so uncool if I wasn't in a band I'd be a freak show exhibition. Ohio it seems had more than it's share of these types. After Pere Ubu (who were freakin' weird in 75-77 in a scary pre David Lynch Eraserhead urban desolation way) and the Dead Boys you had the likes of Devo, Wazmo Nariz (he of the two ties shtick), Skafish (HP Lovecraft meets Joan Crawford), Tin Huey, The Waitresses amongst others.<< Very good analysis - my favourite of all these was the Feelies - the band photo on the first album sums up exactly how they sound; all edges and angles, and the kind of guitar non-solos that Graham Coxon fantasises over. Of course that quirky/wacky effect easily spills over into deeply irritating old toss like Oingo Boingo (whose main man Danny Elfman's subsequent career is like a rather more successful Mark Mothersbaugh, having written the theme to the Simpsons as well as countless film scores). The edgy/wacky tightrope was certainly one that Devo walked, increasingly shakily! Defined the noo wave cover version with Satisfaction - remove all traces of 'swing' and 'groove' from rock/blues standard. Replace with robot dancing. Works every time. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:46:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Stephen Graziano wrote: > downers and booze, hanging out getting stoned and getting laid - see > Linkletter's "Slacker" for a really accurate view of 'mainstream' 70s > American youth. I bet you mean Dazed And Confused -- Slacker was set in the early 90's Austin counterculture. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:19:40 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice I agree with your pick-ups on the Feelies and Oingo Boingo. In order to avoid an encyclopedia list I just stuck w/ those Akron-based (originated) bands that jumped to mind. Maybe all those American kids were like these passive-aggressive type who finally found an outlet for their angst. Though the Feelies were (like Talking Heads) ultra-introspective, suburban-den fashioned uncool, they focused (way ahead of the VU revival) on that metronomic Velvets beat/strum thing. I roundly disliked Oingo Boingo - too herky jerky (they'd make XTC seem rocky) - music for and by hyperneurotics (maybe it was a Zappa thing). There were lots of others. There was a very cool NYC club band called Nervous Rex - sort of like Talking Heads fronted by one of the Cuckoos Nest gang, from inside the institution - but they were totally ruined by hamhanded Mike Chapman production so that they'd seem safely new-way. I flashed on a memory of a scene from one of the early Sex Pistol movies, maybe DOA, where I noticed that the crowd of kids that showed up in Atlanta (the first Sex Pistol US gig) was not a fashionista turnout, like you'd expect in NYC, but the genuinely weird kids - either overtly gay (sort of the last refuge of Diamond Dogs era Bowie fanatics), incredibly nerdy, totally unfashionable - not punk uniform festoon, but uniquely individualistic costuming, not so much to appear tough, or cool, but seemingly in-your-face-America celebration, clowningly even, of their unique outsiderness, nonsexy, noncool, and dissatisfied w/ the mainstream, but finally as in a coming together of the tribes, finding a community where their geekiness and brains wouldn't necessarily be held against them. I don't think it was as all thought out as that at the time, but knowing how dissatisfied I became w/ stadium level, four-years between album RAWKNROLL, it became an instinctual gathering spot, and if anyone still sports a decent sized collection of US indie 7-inchers will attest - a hotbed of very varied creativity. sg http://www.sourmashusa.com ----- Original Message ----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com To: sjgraziano@hotmail.com ; zak_blakk@yahoo.com ; idealcopy@smoe.org ; CHRISWIRE@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice In a message dated 7/27/2004 5:26:02 PM GMT Daylight Time, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: >>So many US acts emphasized nerdiness, noncoolness, almost bizarre individuality - an I'm so uncool if I wasn't in a band I'd be a freak show exhibition. Ohio it seems had more than it's share of these types. After Pere Ubu (who were freakin' weird in 75-77 in a scary pre David Lynch Eraserhead urban desolation way) and the Dead Boys you had the likes of Devo, Wazmo Nariz (he of the two ties shtick), Skafish (HP Lovecraft meets Joan Crawford), Tin Huey, The Waitresses amongst others.<< Very good analysis - my favourite of all these was the Feelies - the band photo on the first album sums up exactly how they sound; all edges and angles, and the kind of guitar non-solos that Graham Coxon fantasises over. Of course that quirky/wacky effect easily spills over into deeply irritating old toss like Oingo Boingo (whose main man Danny Elfman's subsequent career is like a rather more successful Mark Mothersbaugh, having written the theme to the Simpsons as well as countless film scores). The edgy/wacky tightrope was certainly one that Devo walked, increasingly shakily! Defined the noo wave cover version with Satisfaction - remove all traces of 'swing' and 'groove' from rock/blues standard. Replace with robot dancing. Works every time. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:20:22 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice correct - Dazed and Confused. http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Mandel" To: "Stephen Graziano" Cc: "Children Of Groceries" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Stephen Graziano wrote: > > > downers and booze, hanging out getting stoned and getting laid - see > > Linkletter's "Slacker" for a really accurate view of 'mainstream' 70s > > American youth. > > I bet you mean Dazed And Confused -- Slacker was set in the early 90's > Austin counterculture. > > a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:58:41 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move:- Devo & Edwyn Collins / Orange Juice Stephen Graziano wrote: >I roundly disliked Oingo Boingo - too >herky jerky (they'd make XTC seem rocky) - music for and by hyperneurotics >(maybe it was a Zappa thing). T > Maybe. I have to say - Oingo Boingo is one of my favorite bands. Not so much the first album, which is trying too hard to be Devo or XTC, but the second (Nothing To Fear) and third (Good For Your Soul) records are classics. Danny calmed down a little bit, and started to craft his songs - especially lyrics - a little better on these records. Oingo Boingo actually had three phases - basically depending on the record label at the time. The A&M era - first three albums - is the quirkiest stuff. The MCA years - Dead Man's Party, Boi-Ngo, etc. - is more mature, less dancable. Almost like music for films - which were staring to take up Danny's time at this point. The last phase - Giant records - is the grunge era, which only lasted for one album. Yeah - Danny apparently really liked Stone Temple Pilots. Odd album, but has my favorite song Helpless, which only appeared on the cassette! If you have any interest in Oingo Boingo at all, there's a great 2 disc compilation on Hip-O records called Anthology that covers all of the eras pretty well. Cheers, Paul NP - XTC "The Compact XTC" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:02:19 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blue nile new cd Bart van Damme wrote: >Don't count me in. They're just like so many other 80's bands I didn't >really mind at the time, but seem totally irrelevant today. > > At the risk of drawing the ire from every member of IdealCopy (except apparently for Bart), I have to say I agree with him here. I bought the first Blue Nile CD - A Walk Across The Rooftops, and it did absolutely nothing for me. Nothing. Nada. Zip. I might try to listen to it again, since The Blue Nile are spoken of very highly here. Is there maybe a better release I should hear? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:17:18 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd 'Hats' is the obvious Pop Hits choice. I recall seeing the video for The Downtown Lights on vh1 when the cd was released. 'Walk' is much better. Lots of air between the notes. - --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > Bart van Damme wrote: > > >Don't count me in. They're just like so many other > 80's bands I didn't > >really mind at the time, but seem totally > irrelevant today. > > > > > At the risk of drawing the ire from every member of > IdealCopy (except > apparently for Bart), I have to say I agree with him > here. I bought the > first Blue Nile CD - A Walk Across The Rooftops, and > it did absolutely > nothing for me. Nothing. Nada. Zip. > > I might try to listen to it again, since The Blue > Nile are spoken of > very highly here. Is there maybe a better release I > should hear? > > Cheers, > Paul > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:10:01 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Blue nile new cd Well, there isn't a whole lot to hear Bart - just the three albums so far, of which the third is not as necessary as the first two. I think I've gone on here before about my love of Hats, inextricably linked with my honeymoon in Zimbabwe a couple of weeks after release in 1989 (I took two albums on tape - Kate Bush's The Sensual World was the other and I love that too - ooh yes). Hats conjured up a virtually tangible worldscape of rainy streets and sad love even when I was on my honeymoon in a country that hadn't seen rain in two years, which is some achievement. I also liked the fact that for some time they were the only band on the Linn record label. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bart van Damme I haven't heard The Blue Nile's entire backcatalogue, it's just that what I did hear didn't impress me. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Bart wrote. Not familiar with the Byrne/Eno 'homage' you speak of tho', but I am intrigued....... Me Too,my life is one of my all time faves,I have the 'original' version..........as for the 'other' version,is it still available,or is there a chance of a 'burn' in the offing? Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:13:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] and Dereck wrote........ >>Devo played the Knebworth festival one year I was there (1978 I think), and their set was one of the oddest 45 minutes I've ever seen:- from early on, it was pretty clear that the majority of the crowd ( & if it *was* '78, that'd be the P.Collins-era Genesis massive ) just didn't get it, and were increasingly hostile. The band soldiered gamely on for a while, then IIRC, ground to a halt halfway through a song, lined up stage front, the 'frontman' (sic) said something like "We are dissillusioned. We are leaving now" and trooped off, in single file, to a bemused mixture of applause, catcalls,shouts of "piss off" and the odd ballistic beer can or two. Good example of grace under pressure, I thought.<< Seems to me that (unless you were in a disco,which I never did) that Devo were purely a 'vision' group,I mean,80 minutes of Devo on c.d?I'd rather be deaf,but to watch 'em perform on ze box?Yes Please......Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:14:40 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels Hi derek I have a copy of Miniature on CDr if you want one.I did a few for the IC massive a while back. Your address will suffice. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:09:43 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels......mcfly In a message dated 27/07/2004 12:41:43 GMT Daylight Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: /////well this is my brother's theory too , he got dragged to see busted and said it wasn't THAT bad (compared to boy/girl bands on the same bill. these bands tend to hunt in packs and you get 15 minutes each from 10 bands due to the attention span and consumption of colourful fizzy drinks of the audience in question). Ha! very funny but strange again that friends of mine who are late 40's were dragged to see Busted accompanying their nephew & neice & quite enjoyed it.Steve has a decent taste in music too & although not his cup of tea said it was much more encouraging viewing at 10 years old than The Osmonds The Jackson 5 & David Cassidy. Chris NP The Beloved - Conscience ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:19:54 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] WAY OT: Wurzels In a remarkable coincidence and possibly evidence of idealcopy's cultural reach, tonight's Big Brother highlights (I watch it so you don't have to) featured the Wurzels' Combine Harvester not once, but twice - first as a wake-up call and then played by Michelle on recorder as part of a task. Tomorrow - Nadia and Daniel play extracts from Manscape. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:27:24 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Blue nile new cd I like em'. Blue Nile are a period piece. Very well produced, highly polished 80s adult-pop sure enough, but with an underlying aching sadness and some odd, melodically interesting things going on beneath the surface sheen. That particular sound is very unfashionable at the moment...but file alongside XTC's Skylarking, any 80s Prefab Sprout and Kate Bush's Hounds of Love as wonderful records which have a sound considered 'dated' by music journalists who get excited over Alt-Country, White Shites and their dusty old valve-driven purist drivel. (you might wanna add some 80s Wire to that list for the sake of topic) Monochromatic Man wrote: > 'Hats' is the obvious Pop Hits choice. I recall seeing > the video for The Downtown Lights on vh1 when the cd > was released. > > 'Walk' is much better. Lots of air between the notes. > > --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > Bart > van Damme wrote: > >>>Don't count me in. They're just like so many other >> >>80's bands I didn't >> >>>really mind at the time, but seem totally >> >>irrelevant today. >> >>> >>> >> >>At the risk of drawing the ire from every member of >>IdealCopy (except >>apparently for Bart), I have to say I agree with him >>here. I bought the >>first Blue Nile CD - A Walk Across The Rooftops, and >>it did absolutely >>nothing for me. Nothing. Nada. Zip. >> >>I might try to listen to it again, since The Blue >>Nile are spoken of >>very highly here. Is there maybe a better release I >>should hear? >> >>Cheers, >>Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:07:50 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Devo again... + Pixies live, but no Wire I just bought a copy of Devo playing in NYC over the past weekend. http://www.disclive.com/artist.php?artistid=82 I have heard about DiscLive before but never checked it out. You get the cds and a link to burn it yourself or you can opt for the DIY version only. They also offer Pixies - Live from the Brixton Academy http://www.disclive.com/pixies_london.php in DIY form. Seems like the perfect offer for a Wire gig! $25, the bands get a cut + you get something most people don't have... wnd3 ===== http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ http://home.earthlink.net/~2signs/ ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #221 *******************************