From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #218 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, July 25 2004 Volume 07 : Number 218 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] 23 skidoo... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] move [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] move [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] move [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] move ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Ocean of sound [Fergus Kelly ] [idealcopy] Coil/Githead info [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] move [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] move [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] move [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Coil/Githead info [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] move [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT Bark Psychosis [Tim ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:28:50 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 23 skidoo... > > is this cd literally 'a mixed bag' of tracks spanning a big period of time? > > you mention early days, > > i'm pretty sure keith was using the expression that over here (at least > where i'm from) is perhaps more familiarly rendered as "it's early days > yet," as in after only a month or so the disc is still sinking in. >> > > ah, you know, not being familiar with the expression i didn't even notice the > word 'so' until rereading it. then i gather this cd is of the later period > stuff? Yes, Dan's right. That's *exactly* what I meant. The album came out in 2000. Bizarrely I recall reading an interview with 23 Skidoo around that time, saying they'd never split up (a bit like Wire in the 80's IIRC). It must have been YEARS since their last album! I've played it a few times the last few days (this wks most played album along with Hox -It-ness) and have to say that it's sounding better on each listen. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:51:59 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move > /////i hate to tell you this , you've been into an act for 30 years and love > the last couple of albums. you're not just one of the sparks massive but > you're probably the president of the fan club too ;-) I know I doth protest too much, but I haven't. Honest!! Although I quite liked the 40's type singles (Looks..., Get in the Swing) that followed Propganda, and the late 70's Moroder ones (Beat the clock, etc), I didn't buy a Sparks record btwn Propaganda and the When I Kiss You (I Hear Charlie Parker Playing) single in the mid-90's. It's since then that I've got back into them, though the 80's stuff I've heard on a compilation I purchased recently suggests I didn't miss that much if that's the *best* of their stuff from that much-maligned decade. > in a world where there is a Toto tribute band , i suspect there is a sparks > one somewhere Actually, I've always wanted to form a Devo one - not because I'm a big fan of theirs or anything, but because I think most guys look better with a plant pot on their head ; 0 > > ///////i've heard bits and pieces but never whole albums. maybe i'll go > > soulseek them ....p Try Kimono or Lil Beethoven. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:08:17 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move In a message dated 24/07/2004 12:55:20 GMT Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > > Actually, I've always wanted to form a Devo one - not because I'm a big fan > of theirs or anything, but because I think most guys look better with a > plant pot on their head ; 0 > //////great idea , but i reckon i'd go for the orange boiler suit and skateboard helmet look...... (actually devo are probably ripe for re-assessment. the 80's stuff is pretty horrible but those first 2 albums are really good. darn sight better than orange juice for a start.....) p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:24:32 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move In a message dated 24/07/2004 14:12:00 GMT Daylight Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: actually devo are probably ripe for re-assessment. the 80's stuff is pretty horrible but those first 2 albums are really good. darn sight better than orange juice for a start.....) p Funnily enough I have been listening to Smoothnoodlemaps in the car & compared to their first 2 albums is pretty week.Lots of Gary Numan influence I thought. Chris. Postpost modern man NP Sulphur - compound ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:33:31 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move In a message dated 24/07/2004 14:24:32 GMT Standard Time, CHRIS WIRE writes: > Funnily enough I have been listening to Smoothnoodlemaps in the car & > compared to their first 2 albums is pretty week.Lots of Gary Numan influence I > thought. > Chris. > //////i picked all the 80's albums up cheap years ago and they're not too clever. after the first 2 good ones there's a string on warners which get steadily worse until they're doing really bland electropop ( oh no its devo and shout being the worst of these). i think they took a break then and came back early 90's with a different drummer. the first one with that lineup (total devo) is poor , but the next one (smoothnoodlemaps) i'd actually say was much better and at least sounded like they were trying. i think they split after that and re-formed much later to do south park stuff. i saw a gig to promote SNM at the town and country which was really fun , they did half the new album , half the first one and virtually nothing in between. even if the new material wasn't earth shattering , they sure knew how to put on a show. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:57:48 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move (actually devo are probably ripe for re-assessment. the 80's stuff is pretty horrible but those first 2 albums are really good. darn sight better than orange juice for a start.....) p I remember really looking forward to the debut LP's release, as I loved the singles, and then heard a couple of tracks like Shrivel Up and Uncontrollable Urge on Peel. But then when I heard the album, I just felt like I'd heard all the best stuff already and didn't bother. Bought it a few years ago and whilst it's nice to have the singles on cd, my initial views stood. After that I got the odd single, but that was about it. I didn't even like Whip It that much. Whilst on the subject of Devo, just googled Mechanical Man which I loved and noticed that's it available on the Greatest Misses album. Hmm!! Keith np Brian Wilson - gettin' in over my head ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:44:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Ocean of sound Anyone going to Coil/Githead tomorrow ? Alistair ?Mark ? Paul ? Get some photos ! Fergus " I can lose my way on the shortest of journeys " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:48:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Coil/Githead info http://www.ocean.org.uk/index.cfm?id=showEvent&Activity_ID=697 Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:59:12 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move In a message dated 24/07/2004 16:01:18 GMT Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > I remember really looking forward to the debut LP's release, as I loved the > singles, and then heard a couple of tracks like Shrivel Up and > Uncontrollable Urge on Peel. But then when I heard the album, I just felt like I'd heard > all the best stuff already and didn't bother. Bought it a few years ago and > whilst it's nice to have the singles on cd, my initial views stood. /////well they're not the only band to put out albums mainly comprising previously released material ;-) , but i guess if you got the chance to re-do your old 8-track cheapo recordings in conny planks studio with eno producing it must've been tempting to try for definitive versions. some work , some (especially "Mongoloid") are much better on the lo-fi takes. that was my 5th year at school and it was a really big album when it got issued. > > After that I got the odd single, but that was about it. I didn't even like > Whip It that much. ////// they were aiming for glossy singles by then , most of which were ok but hardly essential. that album (freedom of choice) is rubbish apart from the singles. > > Whilst on the subject of Devo, just googled Mechanical Man which I loved and > noticed that's it available on the Greatest Misses album. Hmm!! ////there's loads of compilations , including some real barrel-scraping mid-70's ones. none i would recommend. much better to spend the money on the 2nd album (duty now for the future) if you've not got it. as a taster to download , try "smart patrol/mr DNA" which is the standout track. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:18:08 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move << In a message dated 24/07/2004 14:12:00 GMT Daylight Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: actually devo are probably ripe for re-assessment. the 80's stuff is pretty horrible but those first 2 albums are really good. darn sight better than orange juice for a start.....) p >> i rate the first one as a classic. i admit i don't listen to it much anymore, but it fits in with other timeless classics (like 154). i also admit freedom of choice is not nearly as good as the first two, but i still like it. i never bought anything after that, but i wonder if the album with peek-a-boo is any good cuz that still sounds good to me. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:58:27 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move In a message dated 24/07/2004 19:24:12 GMT Standard Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > i rate the first one as a classic. i admit i don't listen to it much > anymore, > but it fits in with other timeless classics (like 154). i also admit freedom > > of choice is not nearly as good as the first two, but i still like it. i > never > bought anything after that, but i wonder if the album with peek-a-boo is any > > good cuz that still sounds good to me. > > //////that's "oh no its devo". the single is quite good , but the album is pretty awful. same problem a lot of 80's electro-pop acts had ; horrible parping synths , whacking drums and very little variety as it all sounds like it was made with the same presets on the same synths. not a patch on the 70's stuff. i think they did a comeback album a year or so ago (on the back of publicity from south park) , but a friend who's a huge fan told me it was pretty duff. also there's an album of their pre-devo surf music past (the wipeouts? something like that) from the very early 70's. i was advised to hear it before purchasing :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:19:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil/Githead info - -It saddens me that these early days,like those of Wire,are not being documented in either sound or video..................'when will they ever learn'..........Ari - -- Fergus Kelly wrote: > http://www.ocean.org.uk/index.cfm?id=showEvent&Activity_ID=697 > > Fergus > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 20:40:39 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] move ///// i think the proto-pistols thing still comes through really well. i think i'm right in saying they didn't do the johnny thunders songs on this comeback , and he was a huge part of what they had. JT bought a lot of moves over to the class of 77 (and also some unfortunate lifestyle choices......) They did 'you can't put you arms round a memory' at the RFH, sung by Sylvain. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:08:26 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] OT Bark Psychosis I can highly recommend the new BP album, despite its naff title (Codename Dustsucker..makes it sound like some dodgy mid 90s trip hop) Only their second LP in 10 years(!) and its ace. Its a quantum leap from Hex, which didn't quite show off the full potential of the band I felt. This combines the jazzy feel of that LP with the more abrasive, experimental feel of their various singles. Although Graham Sutton is the only original member its recognisably BP. He's also drafted in Lee Harris of Talk Talk for drum duties, so this has a 'Spirit of Eden' feel to it. The songs are long and sometimes shift into something else half way through, or melt away slowly. One of those CDs that you know requires some repeat plays. Its unrelentingly moody of course, but in a good way. I like the way he takes classic 70s style Electric Pianos and organs and makes them sound rather unsettling and eerie....and punctuates this with great bursts of MBV style guitar, echoey whispered vocals, bursts of electronics, trumpets, found sounds and whatever else. Excellent stuff, innovative, relevant and nudging the envelope nicely...and a delightful reminder that a band playing live instruments can still match anything yer laptop manglers can do. Expect that 'difficult 3rd LP' in 2014! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #218 *******************************