From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #206 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, July 13 2004 Volume 07 : Number 206 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] 1st fast, 2nd nature, 3rd degree ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: [OT]Franz Ferdinand ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 1st fast, 2nd nature, 3rd degree > Setting Sons It was actually a bit rubbish really though, wasn't it Mark - especially after the wonderful All Mod Cons. Horrible lurky production and another unnecessary Motown cover. It's two saving graces were Private Hell which I liked a lot, and rhyming 'trousers' with 'council houses' ('trous-is' and 'hous-is!') Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:10:03 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: [OT]Franz Ferdinand >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:29:24 -0700 >From: fernando >Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Franz Ferdinand > >There is a bit of buzz about them here... I saw Franz Ferdinand here in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago and found that their live performance is much better than their studio output. I already liked the album, as Franz Ferdinand remind me of the early Stranglers material ("No More Heroes", "Duchess", etc.), but the live show is worth seeing...especially since I was in a less-than-500 capacity venue (Cotton Club) where I was able to see them before they get bigger. I don't think that Franz Ferdinand lives up to the massive hype just yet, but they're still 1,000 times better than the lumberjack music that the radio stations still play around here. Jason Now Playing: I Am The World Trade Center - The Cover Up _________________________________________________________________ MSN Life Events gives you the tips and tools to handle the turning points in your life. http://lifeevents.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:20:09 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: [OT]Franz Ferdinand On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:10:03AM +0000, Jason Rogers wrote: > I don't think that Franz Ferdinand lives up to the massive hype just yet, > but they're still 1,000 times better than the lumberjack music that the > radio stations still play around here. I think it's difficult to understate quite *how* big Franz Ferdinand are in the UK now. They're not even slightly underground; they're one of the five or ten biggest guitar bands in the UK right now. Their Other Stage performance at Glastonbury reportedly drew about half of the people onsite - way over 50,000 people - when up against PJ Harvey (and "Stories from the City" went platinum in the UK). I'm expecting "Michael" to go top-10 in the UK singles chart on release. .... and now a diversion; the new Futureheads album, self-titled, is manic idea/harmony/tune-dense rhythmically skittery punked up guitar pop, has fifteen tracks on, is 35 minutes long, and features a track called "He Knows" (though not the Wire one, it seems). I think they *may* have been listening to Our Swimmers, and if they have they've certainly been taking notes. This is very, very good at first listening. It also has an all-time-great cover version on it. - - Andrew (current track: The Futureheads - "Hounds of Love") - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:04:31 -0400 From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: [OT]Franz Ferdinand >>I think they *may* have been listening to Our Swimmers, and if they have they've certainly been taking notes. This is very, very good at first listening.<< From what I could judge from seeing them last year their record collection included the first two XTC albums and a couple of Devo singles. And they might have seen a Talking Heads video. Quirky as f*ck, though not necessarily in a bad way. Also contained elements of Shadows-style synchronised guitar-playing. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:17:34 -0400 From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Saturdays Kids (veers on to topic!) >>It was actually a bit rubbish really though, wasn't it Mark - especially after the wonderful All Mod Cons. Horrible lurky production and another unnecessary Motown cover. << Not to mention the obligatory Foxton track, with string embellishments.. Certainly in hindsight not one of their best. Though I did like it at the time, which is what I'm talking about here.. >>It's two saving graces were Private Hell which I liked a lot, and rhyming 'trousers' with 'council houses' ('trous-is' and 'hous-is!')<< Those are without doubt the key tracks. Saturday's Kids actually defined the Jam's late-period fan base... Didn't the famous NME 'blackmail corner' Northern Soulie pic of our Mr Newman* describe him as a "refugee from the Jam's Saturday's Kids"? See what I mean about memory! Mark * For the benefit of younger/non-UK listers, the NME used to run a weekly 'blackmail corner' photo of an achingly hip modern musician in former times, sporting unflattering attire/hair etc. One such picture was of Colin, posed in full northern soulie garb (birmingham bags, star tank top, and the bouffant centre-parted hair favoured by the all-nighter crowd which, for some reason, as referred to as a "monkey's arse". It made no sense to us at the time - Wire as ex-Wigan Casino boys? Surely not. Was it a hoax, perpetrated by the band themselves; an arty joke? Much later I found out that the picture was from some form of college project (pre-punk) about yoof kulture, in which Mr N had kitted himself out as a member of various tribes du jour (hippie, biker, etc). So he probably got off lightly with the soulie look! Thought I'd kept the cutting but can't seem to find it. Anyone else got it? I think it dated from 1980... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:25:05 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: [OT]Franz Ferdinand On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 08:04:31AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > From what I could judge from seeing them last year their record > collection included the first two XTC albums and a couple of Devo > singles. And they might have seen a Talking Heads video. Quirky as > f*ck, though not necessarily in a bad way. Also contained elements > of Shadows-style synchronised guitar-playing. That was pretty much my reaction on seeing them with the Rapture. They're exceptionally odd. Actually, one of the things they remind me of are the more bizarre moments of Adam and the Ants, rhythmically at least, or something like Bow Wow Wow on "C30 C60 C90 Go!". They're obviously totally in control of their sound, it's just that they'll insert an extra beat - or bar - at their whim and totally throw you. I really like that sense of disorientation, but I can see that other people would find it infuriating... - - Andrew - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:42:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] Bruce and Hafler Trio quite some news on http://phonometrography.net/news.asp the gentlemen enter. The shaking of hands. The nodding of heads.Work is begun. Phonometrography is proud to announce the forthcoming collaborative creation of Mr. Bruce Gilbert and The Hafler Trio. Carrier pigeons, as it is so often the case these days, are being deployed to carry vital materials to and from the location of collaboration, in which space the altar has been minted and the candelabrum dusted lock up your high hats New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:13:56 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: [OT]Franz Ferdinand Futureheads... > Quirky as f*ck, though not necessarily in a bad way. Also contained elements of Shadows-style synchronised guitar-playing. What was the single that was the follow up to 123 Nul ep, Mark? Seem to recall you saying you liked it. K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:29:41 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] 1st fast, 2nd nature, 3rd degree Duh - yeah of course. To revisit those top albums: 78 - The Scream / Ubu x 2 / Another Music in a Different Kitchen 79 - Unknown Pleasures / 154 / Metal Box / The B-52s My mind's going. I used to be able to remember this stuff with absolute clarity. I've just had to check lists made at the time. Christ. I could never put one of Dan's cigarette cards between the first two Ubu albums for excellence. Love them both. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: 11 July 2004 16:00 To: "Keith Knight"; "'Andrew Walkingshaw'"; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] 1st fast, 2nd nature, 3rd degree >>Contextually, for me at the time there were four great albums in 78 - the others were The Modern Dance, Dub Housing and Metal Box. << Er, Metal Box was late '79. Great 78 albums - Real Life, the Scream, Love Bites. Though at the time I was probably more likely to be enthusing about Give 'em enough rope or All mod cons. Never seen Dub Housing as that much of a classic either - certainly not in the same league as The Modern Dance... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:10:45 -0400 From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: [OT]Franz Ferdinand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:30:10 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: [OT]Franz Ferdinand In a message dated 12/07/2004 12:31:55 GMT Daylight Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: and now a diversion; the new Futureheads album, self-titled, is manic idea/harmony/tune-dense rhythmically skittery punked up guitar pop, has fifteen tracks on, is 35 minutes long, and features a track called "He Knows" (though not the Wire one, it seems). I think they *may* have been listening to Our Swimmers, and if they have they've certainly been taking notes. This is very, very good at first listening. It also has an all-time-great cover version on it. - - Andrew (current track: The Futureheads - "Hounds of Love") So how XTC does the album sound Andrew ? As the stuff I've heard is very early XTC ish. Chris NP. Red Lorry Yellow Lorry - Blasting Off ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:33:34 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: [OT]Franz Ferdinand On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 02:30:10PM -0400, CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > > So how XTC does the album sound Andrew ? As the stuff I've heard is very > early XTC ish. *Very*. I'd say the key influences would be something like XTC, Adam and the Ants, and Bow Wow Wow. This is an out and out left-field pop record. I like it, but I have a weakness for this stuff (and a bit of a musical sweet tooth some of the time). I think Keith A will adore it. :) - - A - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 10pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:54:29 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Saturdays Kids (veers on to topic!) > Not to mention the obligatory Foxton track, with string embellishments.. Ah! Aging b-sideSmithers-Jones IIRC. Actually - as you know I am not afraid of announcing guilty pleasures here - I have to admit to being the only person in the world who likes Foxton's News of the World. OK it's not Down In The Tube Station, but it's alright. And his solo hit Freak probably wouldn't seem bad compared with Wellers latter day releases either!! >Certainly in hindsight not one of their best. Though I did like it at the time, which is what I'm talking about here.. I didn't hate it, but I was disappointed. > Didn't the famous NME 'blackmail corner' Northern Soulie pic of our Mr Newman* describe him as a "refugee from the Jam's Saturday's Kids"? Rings a bell. > See what I mean about memory! It's scary. I remember amazing myself by recalling that Black Oak Arkansas singer was Jim Dandy. I mean, what possible use is that piece of information? I've never owned a BOA LP in my life and at the time of the conversation I hadn't thought about them in years. But tell me something important and it's gone ; ) > Much later I found out that the picture was from some form of college project (pre-punk) about yoof kulture, in which Mr N had kitted himself out as a member of various tribes du jour (hippie, biker, etc). So he probably got off lightly with the soulie look! Never knew that. Has anyone got any of the other pics then ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:40:12 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] 1st fast, 2nd nature, 3rd degree [At the risk of yet another message coming through twice (these days they either seem to get posted twice or not at all...)] I don't remember where I first saw The Fall but I do remember the first time I didn't see them. Late 1978, recently moved to North London, didn't know anyone else with similar musical taste, decided to see a gig. The choice was The Fall (whose work I knew) at the Nashville - which was a long way away in South West London. Or a shorter trip to the Hope and Anchor in Islington to see a band who'd I heard on a Peel Session earlier that week. The shorter trip won. The band were Joy Division, the gig the one reviewed by Paul Rambali in the NME the week after. Right choice that night although for some reason it was still a couple of years before I saw The Fall I think. They were probably touring Iceland in the interim. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- - -paul c.d. p.s. i can't remember any opening bands from fall gigs, but i do remember the first time i saw the fall...they opened for buzzcocks at the old palladium in ny. same place on the london calling album cover. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:00:54 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: [OT]Franz Ferdinand In a message dated 12/07/2004 19:41:56 GMT Daylight Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: Very*. I'd say the key influences would be something like XTC, Adam and the Ants, and Bow Wow Wow. This is an out and out left-field pop record. I like it, but I have a weakness for this stuff (and a bit of a musical sweet tooth some of the time). I think Keith A will adore it. :) Yep think he will.I loved the singles so may well invest in the album. Chris ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #206 *******************************