From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #200 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, July 8 2004 Volume 07 : Number 200 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? ["P J Kane" ] [idealcopy] Somewhat later... [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Somewhat later... [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT ["Tim ****" >mark explained nascar far better than i could, & afaik quite accurately. also apparently nascar is slightly different from indy-car racing ... or maybe not.<< Same concept, generallythe same tracks, but with cars that look like saloon cars rather than open-wheel cars that look like F1 cars. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 04:40:09 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? >>Ah yes.The 70 World Cup.Do you remember the coins I think Esso produced which you could collect ?<< Made of the lightest 'metal' known to man. There was also a centenary FA Cup set in 1972 with the club crests of all the winners. You had to send off for a special "gold" medal for the 1972 winner, which meant the Leeds United medal was bigger and better than all the others! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:44:46 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? > Ah yes.The 70 World Cup.Do you remember the coins I think Esso produced > which you could collect ? > Chris Yes. Had the set! And the one with all the football club crest which at least had a bit of colour. Actually, I've been just been guilty of what Dan called nostalgic "for the relics of one's youth", and got a Marc Bolan patch that I had on my denim jacket in the early 70's. Not sure it's an original, but hey, I was the only bidder on ebay and can't quibble at the 99p p&p!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 04:54:23 -0400 From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Polly Harvey >hope i got some PJH as surely she'd have been better than most of this lot. >muse looked particularly desperate. i gather television never got shown due to >"sound problems". funny how the acts i hate always sound so.......clear. A friend of mine went to Glastonbury to work in a beer cellar, and PJH was the only act she managed to see. She said that she (PJH) reminded her of no-one so much as Pam Ayres. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:22:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT HowardJSpencer@aol.com wrote: I recall another occasion when a prime radio one idiot - Peter Powell - was forced to announce on the chart rundown, with much distaste in his voice - that at no. 38 there was ' a record by a band called the Dead Kennedys". The record in question was Too Drunk to Fuck and surprisingly he didn't play it. You can almost see him ,lip curled in disdain, handling the disk in tongs........ Aaahh, Peter Powell: if I had a penny for all of the bland, wishy-washy, pseudo-hip bands that he championed the causes of, assuring us that they were going to be 'the next big thing' that subsequently sank without trace back in the 80's, I wouldn't have to stand in front of CD racks in shops thinking "Shall I buy X or Y":- I could probably buy them both *and* a box set besides. Powell's smug, earnest features peered out of my TV WAY too many times at that time, too. Thanks to whoever it was that ordered the 'cull' of the dinosaur tendency at the beeb, whilst recognising the enduring quality of J.Peel's show. Well done that person........;-) New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:44:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: Certainly Edmonds is by some distance the most offensive of the lot of 'em. Let'[s not forget that as a game show host, he managed to actually kill one of his contestants. He *was* a completely odious waste of atoms, wasn't he? Killing a contestant was certainly a grave misdeed, but it wasn't the only one during his tenure as all-purpose media whore:- there's a whole two towns *full* of people who'd like to hang his hide out to dry:- the folks who live in Lancaster and Morecambe, just accross the bay from where I live, had the big misfortune to get involved with a hugely ill-advised scheme of Mr Edmonds in the early 90's, that cost them dearly. When NE's 'House Party' show was running on TV, the council in those towns were approached by Edmonds with the following proposition: "Let me and my associates take over your declining attraction 'Happy Mount Park', [where they have a sort of Blackpool illuminations in minature, housed in about 3 or 4 acres of parkland with mini-train, fairground attractions etc:- (Mark B will be well familiar with this kind of concept ;-)] and I, the mighty Edmonds, will install a "Mr Blobby"*** theme park, & visitors centre etc. You'll make an absolute *mint*". Sadly, the councils fell for it, and at great expense to local taxpayers, it was installed. Predictably, instead of the projected throngs of people, it was visited by one man and his dog, and went bust in fairly short order, leaving the good citizens of Morecambe way out of pocket, not only for it's original installation, but it's dismantling and returning the park to it's former state. Mr Edmonds more or less washed his hands of it, leaving others to pick up the tab, (which ran into millions IIRC), from his own half-assed idea. It wasn't the only such failiure either, as the git sought to cash in with gusto on his own fleeting moment in the spotlight the lengh and braedth of the UK, only to crash and burn spectacularly, leaving other people to clean up the mess. Anyhow, in short, Noel Edmonds, you are a ****..................... ***for US & other non-UK listees:Mr Blobby was an inflatable pink-with-yellow-spots-and-fixed-idiot-grin 'character' , shaped like an overgrown 10-pin, who featured on his TV show. It was flavour of the week for it's allotted 15 minutes. It wasn't even *vaguely* amusing to anyone over the age of three......... Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:54:54 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? Bet it would look great with boa & leather trousers too! Bart (sorry Robert, guess I'm just too darn quick for ya) > Actually, I've been just been guilty of what Dan called nostalgic "for the > relics of one's youth", and got a Marc Bolan patch that I had on my denim > jacket in the early 70's. Not sure it's an original, but hey, I was the only > bidder on ebay and can't quibble at the 99p p&p!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:02:07 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? In a message dated 07/07/2004 09:40:09 GMT Standard Time, Mark Bursa writes: > >> >>Ah yes.The 70 World Cup.Do you remember the coins I think Esso >> produced >> which you could collect ?<< > Made of the lightest 'metal' known to man. There was also a centenary FA > Cup set in 1972 with the club crests of all the winners. You had to send off > for a special "gold" medal for the 1972 winner, which meant the Leeds United > medal was bigger and better than all the others! > > Mark > ////yeah i had these too. mine went rusty so i guess they must have been really thin steel. i lobbed them at that point , but i've got that mexico 70 book somewhere. talking of 70's relics , and changing the subject just slightly , i had a terrible shock in NY when this awful old prog video came on VH1. they were promoting a package tour (VH1 sponsored) of what sounds like a great IC massive night out ; styx , winger and nelson. the video turned out to be styx who i'd thankfully never seen before. apparently king crimson were on the bill for this originally , but fripp pulled out when he got a better offer to go on that "night of the guitars" thing with steve vai and joe satriani. not sure if this was a good call or not....... p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:35:42 GMT From: "P J Kane" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? << also apparently nascar is slightly different from indy-car racing >> i have a friend who is into Indie Cars, and when i tease him about liking Nascar he gets all huffy. the difference has soemthing to do with the fact that Nascar drivers _only_ do right turns, while Indie Drivers do both. not that it matters to me. it's still watching people drive around is what more-or-less amounts to a circle. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:17:40 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] Somewhat later... We've been living with "Send" for (a bit over) twelve months now; I'm listening to it right now. Still sounds fantastic; I was just wondering if peoples' reactions to it had changed over time - perspective, etc. One thing I notice is that I'm listening to much more "processed" guitar music now - Fennesz et al - and seeing a kinship there which had passed me by before. Maybe (probably) this is entirely in my own head, but inasmuch as all music is filtered through the cultural context you're in, it provides a different angle for listening to this stuff. Basically, I find it easier to - accept is the wrong word, as is process, somewhere halfway in between - the "artificiality" of many of Send's sounds: these aren't any guitars you could reproduce exactly live. No idea if this is deliberate or an artefact of the process by which the record was made, but it's interesting ether way. "99.9" still stands out for me as the highpoint of the record; the extended intro in particular. I'm not sure why - partially it's just that I'm a sucker for those kind of atmospherics in general, I suspect. Looking back to Rockpalast and hopefully forward to R+B03 (fingers crossed?) - - Andrew - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:18:11 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? > apparently king crimson were on the bill for this originally , but fripp > pulled out when he got a better offer to go on that "night of the guitars" thing > with steve vai and joe satriani. not sure if this was a good call or not....... > > p I read a review about this gig a few days ago. Apparently when Fripp was playing, some disgruntled axe fan shouted "You've got six strings, use them!!". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:42:41 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT That was Matthew Bannister, to whom I wrote a letter of appreciation. I even got a reply (albeit a bland 'thanks for your letter' one rather than a 'yeah, it was time we got rid of those music-hating egotists' one). But the battle continues. I hear that Peel is being shunted against his will to an 11pm start. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Derek White Thanks to whoever it was that ordered the 'cull' of the dinosaur tendency at the beeb, whilst recognising the enduring quality of J.Peel's show. Well done that person........;-) New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:59:33 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT In a message dated 07/07/2004 18:53:04 GMT Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: That was Matthew Bannister, to whom I wrote a letter of appreciation. I even got a reply (albeit a bland 'thanks for your letter' one rather than a 'yeah, it was time we got rid of those music-hating egotists' one). But the battle continues. I hear that Peel is being shunted against his will to an 11pm start. Another the Keith The Matthew Bannister who is on Radio 5 Live from 10pm on weekdays I take it. Good Man ! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:16:54 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? In a message dated 07/07/2004 18:39:14 GMT Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > >apparently king crimson were on the bill for this originally , but fripp > >pulled out when he got a better offer to go on that "night of the guitars" > thing > >with steve vai and joe satriani. not sure if this was a good call or > not....... > > > >p > > I read a review about this gig a few days ago. Apparently when Fripp was > playing, some disgruntled axe fan shouted "You've got six strings, use > them!!". > //////to be honest i'd have thought frippp would view the likes of vai/satriani as really naff , all that 100mph axe noodling stuff which is like listening to paint dry. getting stick from the satriani massive must be a bit of a career low for rampant bob , hope it paid well :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 20:23:39 +0100 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Great Dichotomy of Pop Eh? Like what? The last days of dinosaur rock. Or Sailor? Or West Coast American bands. It was dreadful! Apart from Led Zepp ...:-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Great Dichotomy of Pop > j. hobson said: > > > Personally I found nearly every record from Glitter era until Punk > godawful > > at the time and still do.>>>>> > > wow.....do i feel sorry for you....what a shame....LOADS of great music in > all genres (especially rock, pop, and soul) back then, most of which still > stands up to this day....you really missed out > > RL > np - Telefon Tel Aviv - "Map of What is Effortless" (Dntel, Notwist, Lali > Puna fans sit up and take notice) > > next up: Dykehouse - "Mid-Range" (electronica boffin goes modern shoegazer) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:10:46 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [HUMOR] Is that...RodeoHead? In a message dated 7/6/04 10:46:59 PM, paulp@wrq.com writes: << Chris Hardwick - the ex-host of MTV's Singled Out - and his friend Mark Phirman have made a country bluegrass medley of Radiohead songs. They call it - Rodeohead. http://hardnphirm.com/rodeohead.html This is well worth the download. >> well if the songs are only half as funny as the url it must be worthwhile! - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:06:37 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [HUMOR] Is that...RodeoHead? or Paranoid Android in Percussion. There is also this other... though not as daring: http://people.umass.edu/tjkelly/umdl/audio/android.mp3 which is the UMass Front Percussion Ensemble's cover of Radiohead's "Paranoid Android." Perhaps Carl Palmer would be proud. cheers! - -fernando On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:10:46 EDT, eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/6/04 10:46:59 PM, paulp@wrq.com writes: > > << Chris Hardwick - the ex-host of > > MTV's Singled Out - and his friend Mark Phirman have made a country > > bluegrass medley of Radiohead songs. > > They call it - Rodeohead. > > http://hardnphirm.com/rodeohead.html > > This is well worth the download. >> > > well if the songs are only half as funny as the url it must be worthwhile! > > -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:31:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Great Dichotomy of Pop >>Eh? Like what? The last days of dinosaur rock. Or Sailor? Or West Coast American bands. It was dreadful! Apart from Led Zepp ...:-)<< While the ratio of old toss to decent stuff in the 71-77 period is higher than in some other periods of music history, I'd suggest a broadening of your musical horizons outside white American rock ;-) And I won't have Sailor dissed.... They were the first band I ever saw, topping a distingusihed list that must by now stretch well into four figures... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:45:10 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT Derek White wrote: > > Thanks to whoever it was that ordered the 'cull' of the dinosaur > tendency at the beeb, whilst recognising the enduring quality of > J.Peel's show. Well done that person........;-) Had to be done. But 10 years on...what are we left with? Peel is being sidelined to graveyard shift....Lamacq is gone....Mark & Lard (ex Fall guitarst Marc Riley for you non Uk-ers) are gone. When I hear Chris Moyles not actually playing any records but just rambling inanely on and on and bantering with his researchers, you have to ask yourself if they have replaced one set of Dinasours for another? Where once we had Steve Wright and "Ooh" Gary Davis we now have.....Scott Mills and Dave Pearce. Same deal, same music really (watered down R&B and Dance.....twas always the case!) but even less charisma and personality and zero humour. And then there is ....'Westwood' There is a very fine line between Tim Westwood and Tony Blackburn....both speak in ludicrous transatlantic drawl (Westwood is the son of an Anglican Bishop who speaks in an absurd fake NYC Gangsta accent which was the inspiration for Ali-G) Both are rather eccentric, you wouldn't trust either of them with your kids, both crave attention, both doggedly stick to their own incredibly narrow music tastes..only unlike Tone..Westwood also takes himself really, really seriously. Give me Noel Edmonds any day. The only saving grace of todays wunnerful one eff-emm....is that at least Simon Bates isn't on it...or indeed anywhere near any mainstream media. Radio 6 is where its at. And really, R6 should be broadcast countrywide on FM..not sidelined to Digital, and Peel should be on there too...at a time that suits him, not Radio1. BBC is under increasing pressure to justify its license fee/public expenditure/public service remit. Quite where R1's daytime output (which is still bland, faceless jocks playing the same music as the Commercial stations) fits in i'm not sure.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:41:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Tuxedomoon in the UK After listening probably for the 22 nd time since last weekend of the new album Cabin in the Sky by Tuxedomoon I have to say This album could not be ignored. It is just f* great. Tuxedomoon will play their first UK gig for 22 years on Saturday 25th sept. 2004, at the Slimelight club in Islington, London (www.slimelight.net). The support act will be the band Attrition (www.attrition.co.uk). Tickets will be on sale next week. Details of where to purchase them to follow very soon, but in the meantime book those train tickets and tell everyone you know and approach everyone you don't! To facilitate the latter, a large number of flyers are being produced (designed by our very own Jonathan Barnbrook of www.barnbrook.net), which will be ready next week. So, if you would like some flyers to be posted to you for targetted distribution, then please drop me a line. j Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:17:43 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Somewhat later... Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > We've been living with "Send" for (a bit over) twelve months now; I'm > listening to it right now. Still sounds fantastic; I was just > wondering if peoples' reactions to it had changed over time - > perspective, etc. > God anyone would think this was a Wire list or something. In hindsight, Send still doesn't yet grab me like other Wire albums...yet. The overall, brutal, metronomic thrash of the project was initially exciting, the live version was great to see. It was a joy to hear and see Wire play with some serious energy. But Send is not something i go back to and play very often. Maybe it will mature with age, I didn't hear '154' until 1994 when it had a whole weight of WireHistory and context behind it. I was hooked from the first listen, it was my kind of music and yet it had been a secret to me until I heard it. "Send" is very differnt. Its very uniform, very strict-tempo and to be honest, i don't find it particularly appealing to listen to at the moment whereas I come back to 154 and Chairs Missing and enjoy them again and again. Send is better anything they did after, and including Manscape. But I think they have raised the stakes, but now they have milked this version of Wire to death. ....their next move should be to do something as brutal, energetic and in-yr-facey as 'Send', but with the artistry of '154' or the Dome stuff..and something that sounds like a band playing rather than a pro-tooled sample of a band..make something that *surpasses* their own history...thats the real challenge...never mind getting 20 year olds to dance at gigs. Ducks...... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:19:05 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT It wasn't even *vaguely* amusing to anyone over the age of three......... I agree entirely with everyone's opions re Edmunds but don't insult 0-3 Yr olds! Tim Kraftwerk - Autobahn Quad DTS Cdr (Google it) - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Derek White To: idealcopy@smoe.org, MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:44:04 -0700 (PDT) MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: Certainly Edmonds is by some distance the most offensive of the lot of 'em. Let'[s not forget that as a game show host, he managed to actually kill one of his contestants. He *was* a completely odious waste of atoms, wasn't he? Killing a contestant was certainly a grave misdeed, but it wasn't the only one during his tenure as all-purpose media whore:- there's a whole two towns *full* of people who'd like to hang his hide out to dry:- the folks who live in Lancaster and Morecambe, just accross the bay from where I live, had the big misfortune to get involved with a hugely ill-advised scheme of Mr Edmonds in the early 90's, that cost them dearly. When NE's 'House Party' show was running on TV, the council in those towns were approached by Edmonds with the following proposition: "Let me and my associates take over your declining attraction 'Happy Mount Park', [where they have a sort of Blackpool illuminations in minature, housed in about 3 or 4 acres of parkland with mini-train, fairground attractions etc:- (Mark B will be well familiar with this kind of concept ;-)] and I, the mighty Edmonds, will install a "Mr Blobby"*** theme park, & visitors centre etc. You'll make an absolute *mint*". Sadly, the councils fell for it, and at great expense to local taxpayers, it was installed. Predictably, instead of the projected throngs of people, it was visited by one man and his dog, and went bust in fairly short order, leaving the good citizens of Morecambe way out of pocket, not only for it's original installation, but it's dismantling and returning the park to it's former state. Mr Edmonds more or less washed his hands of it, leaving others to pick up the tab, (which ran into millions IIRC), from his own half-assed idea. It wasn't the only such failiure either, as the git sought to cash in with gusto on his own fleeting moment in the spotlight the lengh and braedth of the UK, only to crash and burn spectacularly, leaving other people to clean up the mess. Anyhow, in short, Noel Edmonds, you are a ****..................... ***for US & other non-UK listees:Mr Blobby was an inflatable pink-with-yellow-spots-and-fixed-idiot-grin 'character' , shaped like an overgrown 10-pin, who featured on his TV show. It was flavour of the week for it's allotted 15 minutes. It wasn't even *vaguely* amusing to anyone over the age of three......... Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:26:08 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] Tuxedomoon in the UK Tuxedomoon & Attrition sounds like 1985. I saw Tuxedomoon play along with This Heat at Nottingham Whispers around 1981 (Mostly Desire material) or so, they were excellent complete with flailing burning ropes which the singer would swing above his head...marvellous spectacle & the This Heat guys (Looking back it must of been Charles Bullen) let us in for their soundcheck. Tim - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jan Noorda To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Tuxedomoon in the UK Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:41:25 -0700 (PDT) After listening probably for the 22 nd time since last weekend of the new album Cabin in the Sky by Tuxedomoon I have to say This album could not be ignored. It is just f* great. Tuxedomoon will play their first UK gig for 22 years on Saturday 25th sept. 2004, at the Slimelight club in Islington, London (www.slimelight.net). The support act will be the band Attrition (www.attrition.co.uk). Tickets will be on sale next week. Details of where to purchase them to follow very soon, but in the meantime book those train tickets and tell everyone you know and approach everyone you don't! To facilitate the latter, a large number of flyers are being produced (designed by our very own Jonathan Barnbrook of www.barnbrook.net), which will be ready next week. So, if you would like some flyers to be posted to you for targetted distribution, then please drop me a line. j Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! _________________________________________________________________ Looking to buy a new house? Try http://property.ninemsn.com.au/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #200 *******************************