From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #199 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, July 7 2004 Volume 07 : Number 199 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Glastonbury (was carbon -> hydrogen economy) [PaulRabjohn] Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Pruned [Fergus Kelly ] [idealcopy] Lali Puna, Dykehouse/Festivals ["mileta okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] in the cards? [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] [HUMOR] Is that...RodeoHead? ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 04:54:49 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Glastonbury (was carbon -> hydrogen economy) been away but i taped a few hours of the bbc coverage and watched a bit last night. hmmm , a few ok parts and the usual load of MOR crap. particular low for me was the dismal sight of piss-poor "comedian" phil jupitus joining piss-poor indie act the ordinary boys onstage. wobbling around like an explosion in a tripe factory , and managing to actually make a crap band look even crapper by association. could somebody get this clown off our screens? hope i got some PJH as surely she'd have been better than most of this lot. muse looked particularly desperate. i gather television never got shown due to "sound problems". funny how the acts i hate always sound so.......clear. ah , its great to be back. i had a week in new york which was really nice. the charts still seem full of post-grunge "adult rock" acts who i've never heard of , but franz ferdinand seem to be making inroads which was good to see, if i'd stayed a day later i could have seen psychic tv at the bowery , but as usual there were no gigs worth seeing on the nights i was around. c'est la vie. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 05:11:42 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT The previously happy chappy commentator reduced top 'oh, jesus christ'. 10 points for the name of said commentator. Mike Smith? He who broke a million teenage hearts by marrying Blue Peter's Sarah Greene? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:02:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Pruned Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:15:40 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] What's your hurry, here's your hat so what's the prunes remix then fergus? thought it was just a re-issue....... ((( I think it's just a single track. I hardly imagine he's remixing the entire 'If I Die, I Die' LP... Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:03:24 +0200 From: "mileta okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] Lali Puna, Dykehouse/Festivals > From: RLynn9@aol.com > np - Telefon Tel Aviv - "Map of What is Effortless" (Dntel, Notwist, Lali > Puna fans sit up and take notice) > > next up: Dykehouse - "Mid-Range" (electronica boffin goes modern shoegazer) >>>>>>>>>> 0 <<<<<<<<< Fake Books and Dykehouse ( Chain smoking ) are on repeat in my home last week. there are link on epitonic.com for Dykehouse http://www.epitonic.com/artists/dykehouse.html Fresh from Exit festival where i saw great performances from Peaches, Goldfrapp, Iggy and The Stooges and incredible and sinister Massive Attack gig. I dunno name of instrumental they played in the middle of the set, but i have feeling that i will float over Danube (festival was held in incredible and enchanted fortress over Danube - last year Tricky offered to buy place here for his studio..) i dunno who was lady who play guitar with Massive Attack, but she lost her voice on beginning of Teardrop, and they didn't played any song with white female singers on records (Tracy Thorn, Liz Fraser and Sinead) btw, Wire as Lali Puna and for example !!! was on Roskilde, anyone saw that!! Kings Of Leon was supposed to play before Iggy, but drummer broke his arm evening before on Roskilde ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:01:56 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? Am I the only person who didn't understand a word of this?!! dan bailey wrote: > well, tomorrow a.m. i start a new part-time (i.e. 6 hours a day, 36 > hours a week, no benefits ... the bush economy remains in full > swing) job at a sportscard shop in a faltering local mall. in any > event, if i've gotta work retail for the first time ever, i figured > the ideal would be cards, comics, books or music, with of course > music being my first choice ... but the 2 local used shops here barely > do enough business to keep their doors open, i'm sure, much less > hire help. > > besides, i figure i'm a lot less likely to get into > trouble being an elitist snob this way -- "hey, kid, only an *idiot* > would buy topps bazooka! come the hell back when you can buy some > bowman chromes!" > > i'm pretty sure i wouldn't come off all jack-black-in-high-fidelity > in a music store, either, but god knows the temptation to curl my > lip at the barest mention of 99.9 percent of the bands in stock would always > be lurking under the surface ... > > now i just have to remember to keep mute if someone (like the owner, > who it turns out buys all that bill-clinton-killed-half-of-arkansas > twaddle) starts yapping about carlos delgado's refusal to come out > for the national anthem before toronto blue jays games because he opposes > bush's iraqi insanity. go, carlos! > > dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:20:48 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? In a message dated 06/07/2004 23:04:42 GMT Daylight Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: Am I the only person who didn't understand a word of this?!! dan bailey wrote: > well, tomorrow a.m. i start a new part-time (i.e. 6 hours a day, 36 > hours a week, no benefits ... the bush economy remains in full > swing) job at a sportscard shop in a faltering local mall. in any Come on Tim... Have a bit of sympathy for Dan.It's an American thing. Why the US gets excited about these minority sports like Baseball & Basketball I do not know.Now American Football has a bit of aggression about it I agree.But it's world class like Rugby Union or It's just not Cricket come to think of it. PS I collected cards as a boy.Football ones to be precise.Doesn't it stop when you find other interests - like girls ?? And Robert - I'll allow comics !! I still read them too. Chris - stirring with a giant spoon !! NP. David Bowie -Low (Wonderful Wonderful) BTW I found a couple of burn copies of Talking Heads 77 which I should have posted out to a couple of listees.One in the States I think.If you mail me your address I will get them out.Apologies to those affected. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:26:03 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] in the cards? dan bailey wrote: >> well, tomorrow a.m. i start a new part-time (i.e. 6 hours a day, 36 >> hours a week, no benefits ... the bush economy remains in full >> swing) job at a sportscard shop in a faltering local mall. in any >> event, if i've gotta work retail for the first time ever, i figured >> the ideal would be cards, comics, books or music, with of course music >> being my first choice ... but the 2 local used shops here barely do >> enough business to keep their doors open, i'm sure, much less hire >> help. > > > Am I the only person who didn't understand a word of this?!! Hmm - I think this is one of those rare times when the UK listers will be at a disadvantage. Most of the things Dan mentions are US specific. A sportscard shop is a shop that sells the collectable sportscards that come in U.S. chewing gum. Hence, the next line: >> besides, i figure i'm a lot less likely to get into >> trouble being an elitist snob this way -- "hey, kid, only an *idiot* >> would buy topps bazooka! come the hell back when you can buy some >> bowman chromes!" >> Topps Bazooka being a pretty famous US chewing gum. >> i'm pretty sure i wouldn't come off all jack-black-in-high-fidelity in >> a music store, either, but god knows the temptation to curl my lip at >> the barest mention of 99.9 percent of the bands in stock would always >> be lurking under the surface ... > This one's pretty self explanatory. >> now i just have to remember to keep mute if someone (like the owner, >> who it turns out buys all that bill-clinton-killed-half-of-arkansas >> twaddle) starts yapping about carlos delgado's refusal to come out for >> the national anthem before toronto blue jays games because he opposes >> bush's iraqi insanity. go, carlos! > More US sports references here! Toronto Blue Jays - even though a Canadian team - plays US major league baseball(^_^) http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/ Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:38:25 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? yeah ... just pretend i'm talking about cricket, & that cards of cricket players (cricketers?) are a big deal, especially if they feature fragments of a cricket bat, a player's autograph, etc. dan > In a message dated 06/07/2004 23:04:42 GMT Daylight Time, > tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > > Am I the only person who didn't understand a word of this?!! > > > > > dan bailey wrote: > > well, tomorrow a.m. i start a new part-time (i.e. 6 hours a day, 36 > > hours a week, no benefits ... the bush economy remains in full > > swing) job at a sportscard shop in a faltering local mall. in any > > > > Come on Tim... Have a bit of sympathy for Dan.It's an American thing. Why > the US gets excited about these minority sports like Baseball & Basketball I do > not know.Now American Football has a bit of aggression about it I agree.But > it's world class like Rugby Union or It's just not Cricket come to think of > it. > > PS I collected cards as a boy.Football ones to be precise.Doesn't it stop > when you find other interests - like girls ?? > And Robert - I'll allow comics !! I still read them too. > > Chris - stirring with a giant spoon !! > > NP. David Bowie -Low (Wonderful Wonderful) > BTW I found a couple of burn copies of Talking Heads 77 which I should have > posted out to a couple of listees.One in the States I think.If you mail me > your address I will get them out.Apologies to those affected. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:42:15 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? it could be worse ... i could've gone on about nascar (which judging from my first morning appears to be the shop's main stock-in-trade). of course, i don't know a damned thing about nascar, & that's purely by choice, but i can speak southern with the best of them when called upon to do so, so i figure i'll get by. dan > dan bailey wrote: > >> well, tomorrow a.m. i start a new part-time (i.e. 6 hours a day, 36 > >> hours a week, no benefits ... the bush economy remains in full > >> swing) job at a sportscard shop in a faltering local mall. in any > >> event, if i've gotta work retail for the first time ever, i figured > >> the ideal would be cards, comics, books or music, with of course music > >> being my first choice ... but the 2 local used shops here barely do > >> enough business to keep their doors open, i'm sure, much less hire > >> help. > > > > > > Am I the only person who didn't understand a word of this?!! > > Hmm - I think this is one of those rare times when the UK listers will be at > a disadvantage. Most of the things Dan mentions are US specific. A > sportscard shop is a shop that sells the collectable sportscards that come > in U.S. chewing gum. Hence, the next line: > > >> besides, i figure i'm a lot less likely to get into > >> trouble being an elitist snob this way -- "hey, kid, only an *idiot* > >> would buy topps bazooka! come the hell back when you can buy some > >> bowman chromes!" > >> > > Topps Bazooka being a pretty famous US chewing gum. > > >> i'm pretty sure i wouldn't come off all jack-black-in-high-fidelity in > >> a music store, either, but god knows the temptation to curl my lip at > >> the barest mention of 99.9 percent of the bands in stock would always > >> be lurking under the surface ... > > > > This one's pretty self explanatory. > > >> now i just have to remember to keep mute if someone (like the owner, > >> who it turns out buys all that bill-clinton-killed-half-of-arkansas > >> twaddle) starts yapping about carlos delgado's refusal to come out for > >> the national anthem before toronto blue jays games because he opposes > >> bush's iraqi insanity. go, carlos! > > > > More US sports references here! Toronto Blue Jays - even though a Canadian > team - plays US major league baseball(^_^) > > http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/ > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:54:27 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? I did laugh out loud.I take it Nascar is some sort of motor sport.I have seen a computer game with that name on it. Whatever happens ..the very best of luck.I happen to think it is a mere stepping stone on the upward curve (ball) of your new career. BTW A curve ball in cricket would be something like a "googly".Yeah we have ridiculous terminology too. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:21:09 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? > Am I the only person who didn't understand a word of this?!! I reckon so, Tim. I've never heard of Carlos Delgado, but I didn't think I needed to, to understand. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:22:56 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: [screaming-secrets-list]: Screaming Secrets Update A few things here (from a Julian Cope fanzine) that may be of interest. > Apparently the long-awaited live Teardrops album that Julian has been > working will be going out under the title of Zoology. > > Meanwhile, Thighpaulsandra's new album Rape Scene is available on the > Ochre label. Rape Scene follows on from the I Thighpaulsandra and > Double Vulgar albums which were released on Coil's Eskaton label. > > Thoighpaulsandra will also be performing live at the Ochre 10 Festival > at Gloucester Guildhall on October 30th. More info via www.ochre.co.uk > > Volume 3 of the Liverpool compilation album Unearthed is due for > release on 19th July. This volume features tracks by The Spitfire Boys > (featuring Paul 'Frankie' Rutherford), Dalek I, Those Naughty Lumps, > Wah! Heat and The Id (the band that preceded Orchestral Manoeuvres In > The Dark). More via: www.the-viper-label.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:59:08 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? >>I did laugh out loud.I take it Nascar is some sort of motor sport.<< A particularly extraordinary sort of motor sport as well. The sort of motor sport that could only have been invented in America. Most US motor racing takes place on oval circuits so you can see the whole race from anywhere in the stadium. Nascar is the sort that uses saloon cars (rather than open wheel racing cars that look like F1 cars). It also features drivers that wear stetsons, chew tobacco and would normally drive round in pick-up trucks with moose horns attached to the radiator grille and a confederate flag on the aerial. It's redneck motor racing. Often degenerates into a kind of demolition derby. And one of the teams used to be sponsored by Spam. I should imagine that's quite a collectable card! BTW cricket hasn't really gone in for cards since the first half of the century, when small cards featuring the brylcreemed heads of Douglas Jardine and Harold Larwood came in packets of cigarettes. The Bazooka cards were popular here in the 60s - I have somewhere a complete Batman set as well as a splendid selection of 60s footballers. Ralph Coates' combover included. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:18:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] it's in the cards........ dan bailey wrote: >> well, tomorrow a.m. i start a new part-time (i.e. 6 hours a day, 36 hours a week, no benefits ... the bush economy remains in full swing) job at a sportscard shop in a faltering local mall. in any event, if i've gotta work retail for the first time ever, i figured the ideal would be cards, comics, books or music, with of course music being my first choice ... << Cheer up Dan,when you've got a job it's easier to find a job...............just read those comix..and the sits. vac. columns...Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:43:04 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] [HUMOR] Is that...RodeoHead? Hi everyone, Here's something to brighten your day. Chris Hardwick - the ex-host of MTV's Singled Out - and his friend Mark Phirman have made a country bluegrass medley of Radiohead songs. They call it - Rodeohead. http://hardnphirm.com/rodeohead.html This is well worth the download. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:11:17 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? mark explained nascar far better than i could, & afaik quite accurately. also apparently nascar is slightly different from indy-car racing ... or maybe not. again, what i know about all that wouldn't fill a cylinder in my '97 hyundai. i do remember seeing some soccer-qua-football cards in a catalogue i got as a kid, back in the very early '70s ... probably just the cards mark is talking about. as it happens, cig packs were the original venue for baseball cards over here, too, back in the first decade or so of the 1900s. legendarily, one of the tobacco companies had to withdraw the cards it issued for pittsburgh shortstop honus wagner because he objected so strenuously to the use of the evil weed, making the card in question so rare that it's now worth dozens (hundreds?) of thousands of dollars. someone put out a line of rock star cards in the early '90s, & i've got a sisters of mercy one somewhere. that's about as close to wire as that line ever got, i suspect. dan >>I did laugh out loud.I take it Nascar is some sort of motor sport.<< A particularly extraordinary sort of motor sport as well. The sort of motor sport that could only have been invented in America. Most US motor racing takes place on oval circuits so you can see the whole race from anywhere in the stadium. Nascar is the sort that uses saloon cars (rather than open wheel racing cars that look like F1 cars). It also features drivers that wear stetsons, chew tobacco and would normally drive round in pick-up trucks with moose horns attached to the radiator grille and a confederate flag on the aerial. It's redneck motor racing. Often degenerates into a kind of demolition derby. And one of the teams used to be sponsored by Spam. I should imagine that's quite a collectable card! BTW cricket hasn't really gone in for cards since the first half of the century, when small cards featuring the brylcreemed heads of Douglas Jardine and Harold Larwood came in packets of cigarettes. The Bazooka cards were popular here in the 60s - I have somewhere a complete Batman set as well as a splendid selection of 60s footballers. Ralph Coates' combover included. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:23:26 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? > PS I collected cards as a boy.Football ones to be precise.Doesn't it stop > when you find other interests - like girls ?? theoretically, at least in my case, but when one hits one's 40s one might find oneself nostalgic for certain of the relics of one's youth (hence my recent drive to amass as many dc 80-page giants from the '60s as possible ... & don't act all ignorant about *those*, those of you in the uk contingent -- quite a few of the issues i see listed on ebay are priced in pounds, not dollars). besides, the suckers are worth *money* these days ... jesus, right now topps is running a promotion where anyone buying a $2-or-so pack of cards has a chance to get one featuring a signature (cut from a letter or some other old document) of a u.s. president, going all the way back to george washington. i think some of those have gone for more than $20,000 on ebay. oddest card i've gotten so far, in a pack i bought from my new employer just a couple of nights ago, featured a fragment of the berlin wall, though of course the *real* prize from that set features a small bit cut from a leather jacket of elvis'. most valuable card i've gotten is worth maybe $100 (an autographed, serial-numbered 1-of-50 card of a current player), but for an investment of whatever i paid for the box, that's not bad. it's sort of like marveling at how one valuable one's old punk 45s (do i hear $150 for my solger 7"?) are, really. > And Robert - I'll allow comics !! I still read them too. whereas, as alluded to above, i'm pretty much a silver age (roughly '59-'69) purist ... again, the nostalgia thing, pretty much. dan > > Chris - stirring with a giant spoon !! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 02:06:43 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? In a message dated 07/07/2004 05:12:12 GMT Standard Time, dpbailey@att.net writes: > someone put out a line of rock star cards in the early '90s, &i've got a > sisters of mercy one somewhere. that's about as close to wire as that line > ever got, i suspect. > > dan > ////fraid not dan. i do own something that looks remarkably like a wire rock star card , i bought a wire record off ebay and the guy included it in the "package". as our resident expert , could you attempt a valuation of this splendid artefact? :-) i think this genre peaked with the "mexico 70" collection and i think that was the last time i collected such things. i think i moved on to stamps , almost certainly a bad call. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:00:48 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? In a message dated 07/07/2004 00:59:53 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: The Bazooka cards were popular here in the 60s - I have somewhere a complete Batman set as well as a splendid selection of 60s footballers. Ralph Coates' combover included. Mark Good Lord ! Stetsons & chewing tobacco... what an image.I had that Ralph Coates one too.How many times did I chuck the chewing gum away because I had loads of it,just looking for that one card I needed. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 03:05:53 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] in the cards? In a message dated 07/07/2004 07:22:04 GMT Daylight Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: i think this genre peaked with the "mexico 70" collection and i think that was the last time i collected such things. i think i moved on to stamps , almost certainly a bad call. p Ah yes.The 70 World Cup.Do you remember the coins I think Esso produced which you could collect ? Chris ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #199 *******************************