From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #195 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, July 3 2004 Volume 07 : Number 195 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #193 [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #193 [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #193 ["Tim ****" ] [idealcopy] (yawn) more 'very O.T' [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Mark E Moon/Mission of Bursa [Fergus Kelly ] RE: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #193 ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] [idealcopy] The Great Dichotomy of Pop ["Keith Astbury" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:51:06 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #193 >>Sorry to be pedantic...but wasn't it Hairy Cornflake ?? Twat anyway.<< It's a very obscure comic reference from Mr Spencer - from the Enfield/Whitehouse Smashie & Nicey special (which gloriously lampooned every Radio 1 DJ mishap over the years). Surveying the photos of old DJs on the wall, Smashie comments: "there's BLT, the hairy sandwich". As to his Clash rant, I can't remember the exact details (this was 1977, and I was listening on a small transistor radio) but DLT was doing the chart rundown and was forced to play Complete Control as it was a new entry at number 28 or some such (R1 chart rundown rules meant you had to play the new entries & tracks going up...). After it finished he launched into an apoplectic tirade lasting several minutes about how horrible and nasty it was. He must have come perilously close to a coronary (though sadly not close enough). As you say, an utter twat. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:53:24 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #193 In a message dated 02/07/2004 09:51:06 GMT Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: It's a very obscure comic reference from Mr Spencer - from the Enfield/Whitehouse Smashie & Nicey special (which gloriously lampooned every Radio 1 DJ mishap over the years). Surveying the photos of old DJs on the wall, Smashie comments: "there's BLT, the hairy sandwich". Nice one ! Pop pickers. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:30:02 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #193 Just to add 'Pop Pickers' he was excellently snubbed at the 1981 Rock & Pop Awards by Dame Dave Bowie who completley ignored his presence...believe me it was a joy to watch! Tim Np - Searchin for said Vhs clip (Yes, i am that sad) - ----Original Message Follows---- From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com To: MarkBursa@aol.com, HowardJSpencer@aol.com, idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #193 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:53:24 EDT In a message dated 02/07/2004 09:51:06 GMT Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: It's a very obscure comic reference from Mr Spencer - from the Enfield/Whitehouse Smashie & Nicey special (which gloriously lampooned every Radio 1 DJ mishap over the years). Surveying the photos of old DJs on the wall, Smashie comments: "there's BLT, the hairy sandwich". Nice one ! Pop pickers. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Open an Online Savings Account today & collect a bonus $30*! http://clk.atdmt.com/1DG/go/hsb005000991dg/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:39:43 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Old Farts at Play >>Eschewing the usual 'four bands for three quid' ethos for a while I seem to be in the middle of an unplanned set of gigs involving more mature artists - Sparks and Blondie already done and the Patti Smith Group and Television to come on Saturday. So it was only natural to pop along to see The Magic Band last night at the Garage. I'd missed their reunion last year but raves (including here - Mark I think) persuaded me I should have gone. << Likewise I seem to be witnessing a history of American alt rock, in chronological order - last 3 gigs have veen the New York Dolls, Television and Mission of Burma. Where's that Husker Du revival when you need it. >>First up, the audience. This is encouragingly the oldest audience I've ever seen at a stand-up gig. One bloke even has a walking stick which may point the way for my gig-going experience in about 15 years time.<< Going to be interesting, isn't it! The concept of people in their 40s and beyond still wanting "proper" gigs (ie not the Milton Keynes stables nice sit-down variety) hasn't really been factored in - but seems to be a growing trend. Certainly seem to be more people who haven't been to gigs for years starting to go again. >> A short break and then 15 minutes earlier than scheduled some old blokes dressed in that old-rock-star clothing (hats / patterned shirts / shades) take to the stage. John 'Drumbo' French on vocals (and later drums). Rockette Morton on bass, Gary 'Mantis' Lewis and Denny 'Feelers Rebo' Walley on guitars and a stand-in drummer. I'd heard that John 'Drumbo' French could carry off an impersonation of the Captain but nothing prepared me for this verbal ventriloquism - close your eyes and it could be him. And the noise is extraordinary - that maelstrom of sound, dissonant yet perfectly balanced. The set ranges across the full era and the highlights are many - Floppy Boot Stomp, Electricity, Hair Pie, Alice in Blunderland, a great impromptu Orange Claw Hammer while a bass string was changed. Dear God. As the gig goes on I feel like I'm in the presence of something I'd no right to be in - a fully functioning band who had no right to exist. The ultimate tribute band. My feelings towards Rockette Morton - a man who looks like any number of ageing Science Fiction writers - are like what some people must feel about the Queen - reverent, humbled, moved by the sheer fact that I'm in his presence. At the end the double whammy of Moonlight on Vermont and Big Eyed Beans from Venus nearly does me in. The band goes off shaking the hands of the people at the front. This is a great band at the peak of their powers. Bloody magnificent.<< Quite extraordinary really - it seems to have a life of its own - will they start writing new material? Drumbo says he wants to involve more ex-Magic Banders in future so it'll be interesting to see where it goes. The Burma were harder, louder and faster than at the ICA, though the sound at the Scala was not as good. At the ICA they played just about everything they'd ever released (two sets, covering oldies and new stuff) whereas last night they've trimmed it down to a very tight 60 minute set containing all their 'hits' (Academy, Revolver, Photograph, Trem 2 etc) and the best of the new album (The Set-up is particularly fine). Like the Magic Band, they seem genuinely surprised that anybody's interested, and as a result the MoB revival looks like it might go on a bit longer.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 02:57:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] on 'older folk' at gigs. ...........I'm somewhat suprised that some of you are suprised that the audience of some of the 'older' bands would attract an 'older' audience.............huh!whaddya know.Ari (60 and still attending) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] (yawn) more 'very O.T' Bill Clinton's Book From Daniel Kurtzman,Your Guide to Political Humor. Jokes About Bill Clinton's Book"Bill Clinton is everywhere now promoting his new book. I believe the last time Clinton did a media blitz like this it was to deny everything that's in this book." David Letterman "Bill Clinton's book went on sale today at long last. Earlier today hundreds of people waited outside of Barnes and Noble in the pouring rain for a chance to meet Bill Clinton. When asked if she minded the rain, one woman said, 'I'm meeting Bill Clinton. I just assumed my dress would get ruined.'" Conan O'Brien "It's actually longer than the new Harry Potter book. And both of them, I believe, are about a boy and his wand." David Letterman, on Clinton's book "This weekend 1,000 people lined up at Barnes and Noble to see Bill Clinton. Not to buy his book, but to give him a Father's Day card." Craig Kilborn "After his affair became public Clinton says he had to sleep on the couch for two months. It gets worse  with Hillary" Craig Kilborn "In an upcoming interview with Dan Rather, Bill Clinton says he had an affair with Monica Lewinsky 'just because I could.' And a moment later Hillary said the same thing after she hit him with a lamp." Craig Kilborn "President Bill Clinton's autobiography is coming out next week. Clinton is going on one of those book tours in New York City next week and they are expecting huge crowds. So, to keep the crowd moving, he'll only sign one breast." David Letterman "Bill Clinton's new memoir has already had orders for 1.5 million copies. In fact, it's already in its third printing. The first two were stained." David Letterman "Bill Clinton's memoir, which is coming out in June, is called 'My Life.' I believe it's an oral history. ... They say it should be a good read even for people who are unfamiliar with Bill Clinton, you know, like Hillary." Jay Leno "Bill Clinton has a brand new book coming out in a few months and the Democrats are worried that the Clinton book might upstage the Kerry campaign. I'm thinking, hell, day-old meat loaf could upstage that campaign." David Letterman "Don't kid yourself, this is disturbing. Stories coming out about degrading photographs, nude pyramids, sexual humiliation. Of course I'm talking about Bill Clinton's memoir." David Letterman "A new article in Vanity Fair says Bill Clinton is having trouble finishing his new book, entitled 'My Life,' in time to meet his deadline. It's not too surprising, since you can only type so fast using one hand." Jimmy Fallon, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "Bill Clinton's publisher says he's just about finished writing his memoirs. The last chapter is titled, 'Hold On, I Just Found Out Halle Berry Is Single.'" Craig Kilborn "Clinton's book could be close to 700 pages. What is this? Even Clinton's books are fat." Jay Leno "The $10 million Clinton is getting for his book beats the old record of $8.5 million paid to the Pope. How do you think this makes the Pope feel? The man dedicates his life to the 10 Commandments, he gets 8.5. Clinton breaks every one of them, he gets 10." Jay Leno "Just like Clinton, the book will come with a jacket and no pants." Jay Leno "Clinton has been mulling over titles for his memoirs but publishers have already told him he can't use the 'Ass Menagerie.' ... Editors are reportedly hoping for 1000 pages, but Clinton wants it considerably shorter so it hurts less when Hillary throws it at him." Craig Kilborn "Today the publisher of Bill Clinton's book said the last draft does include Clinton's description of all his infidelities. Yes, look for it in bookstores in the hernia section." Craig Kilborn "Isn't this amazing? Clinton is getting $8 million for his memoir, Hillary got $8 million for her memoir. That is $16 million for two people who for eight years couldn't remember anything." Jay Leno New and Improved Yahoo! 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Howard NP (in my head, because I'm at work) Lali Puna - Fake the books ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:32:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT >>I recall another occasion when a prime radio one idiot - Peter Powell - was forced to announce on the chart rundown, with much distaste in his voice - that at no. 38 there was ' a record by a band called the Dead Kennedys". The record in question was Too Drunk to Fuck and surprisingly he didn't play it.<< I remember the same BBC mentality at work with Wings' Give Ireland back to the Irish. That was "a record by the group Wings", and never played.... >>Stop me if I've dropped this name before, but in a conversation I had with Bishop John Peel on Brighton seafront in about 1987, he told me that Noel Edmonds didn't own a record player or any means of playing music, and that DLT had a handful of MOR soul tapes that he used to play in the car.<< Certainly Edmonds is by some distance the most offensive of the lot of 'em. Let'[s not forget that as a game show host, he managed to actually kill one of his contestants. The hairy sandwich was the presenter of the German TV Beat Club show in the late 60s. There's a clip of hiom introducing Jimi Hendrix, and then wandering around in front of the stage trying to get away from the noise.... >>And congrats to Mark for following my arcane mental processes so accurately re. hairy sandwich.<< Use the same description of DLT myself! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:11:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Mark E Moon/Mission of Bursa Mark said: > Axe-bothering, but in a good way. Verlaine is still one cool dude. The > London show was a bit raw in places, ((( The one criticism I'd have of the Dublin gig was, occasionally the vocals seemed a bit... non-commital.. Back to Burma: a friend of mine told me last night that one of MOB suffers from very bad tinnitus and wears big ear muffs when playing... this true ? Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:16:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Witness to the fact Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:43:14 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Document & earwitness Nice review/pix. ((( Cheers Bruno... Was Peely at Aberdeen and Glasgow? I thought he was only at Glasgow... (((Just Glasgow. Craig's put the wrong venue on the review. Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:43:42 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #193 He said it was the worst record he'd ever heard, if my memory serves. Bruno DLT's 1977 on-air tirade against the Clash's Complete Control still to this day makes me want to punch the tosser. But the putrid aroma from BDB's hat might be worse... >> What exactly did the hairy sandwich say then? Howard Sorry o be pedantic...but wasn't it Hairy Cornflake ?? Twat anyway. Chris NP Zero 7 - I have seen ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:17:32 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark E Moon/Mission of Bursa >>Back to Burma: a friend of mine told me last night that one of MOB suffers from very bad tinnitus and wears big ear muffs when playing... this true ?<< Oh yes. Roger Miller's (gtr/vox) tinnitus was the reason MoB stopped in the first place, but he's developed a workaround. Prepare yourself for the following spectacle: 1 - Guitarist in industrial-grade ear defenders. 2 - Large clear perspex screens between drum kit and singer 3 - Guitarist's amplifier at the very front of the stage, with the guitarist positioned behind it. Read about Roger's parallel careers here: _http://rogermiller.home.mindspring.com/_ (http://rogermiller.home.mindspring.com/) Bassist Clint Conley's other band is Consonant (also inc Chris Brokaw out of another of my faves, Codeine) - much closer to MoB in sound and well worth getting hold of their albums... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:32:58 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT > >>Stop me if I've dropped this name before, but in a conversation I had with > Bishop John Peel on Brighton seafront in about 1987, he told me that Noel > Edmonds didn't own a record player or any means of playing music, and that DLT > had a handful of MOR soul tapes that he used to play in the car.<< Ah! So it was Noel!! Peel went public with the fact that a radio 1 dj didn't own a record player, but never divulged (publicly) who it was. Still got fond memories of Desmond Duck, mind ; ) As for DLT, I remember those rabble rousing rockers 10cc hating him about 30yrs ago. They said that they met him, and he was really creeping to them, telling them that he thought they were great, etc, and they're just thinking "Why don't you play our records then, you twat!!" Keith np Teardrop Explodes- Wilder ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:01:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Marlon Brando dead Passed away today.R.IU.P Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:37:54 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] The Great Dichotomy of Pop Came across this great quote from Neil Tennant of the PSB's. "It's the great dichotomy of pop. The songs that are written for commercial purposes always last longer than those that seek to transcend fashion and become great art. What do people remember most from the early 1970's? Is it Tarkus by Emerson, Lake & Palmer. Or is it Wig Wam Bam by the Sweet?" Can I just say - at the risk of upsetting those people who somehow gain pleasure from listening to a man playing lengthy warming up exercises and calling them Piano Improvisations - I am most definitely a Wig Wam Bam man out of the two!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:52:05 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Marlon Brando dead What a colossal figure (in more ways than one of course) in our culture. Following on from my comments re Rockette Morton earlier this week (i.e. something approaching reverence at being in the same space), it would have been inconceivable to have found myself in the same room as Brando. He has always seemed legendary. It is, in a sense, easier to imagine him dead than alive. To stop this Paul Morleyish turn, I think his performance in Last Tango may be the bravest- and possibly the greatest - I have ever seen from a Hollywood actor. For all his faults (and he has barely been an actor in the last 25 years, not to mention the dread decade before The Godfather - - Michael Winner movies for chrissakes) he set the bar so high, so early that few have come close since - in Hollywood, probably only de Niro for a decade and Pacino when he can be arsed. And won't we miss him as an unpredictable force in American life. Huge value for money. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ari Sent: 02 July 2004 18:02 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Marlon Brando dead Passed away today.R.IU.P Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:12:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Great Dichotomy of Pop inthedoorminer sed. >> ..Can I just say (yes yes)- at the risk of upsetting those people who somehow gain pleasure from listening to a man playing lengthy warming up exercises and calling them Piano Improvisations - I am most definitely a Wig Wam Bam man out of the two!!<< Coldn't agree more,along with rick wake(up)man they'll undoubtedly go to music hell.(with the moody blues no doubt)....................Ari Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:58:41 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one/DLT - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Certainly Edmonds is by some distance the most offensive of the lot of 'em. > Let'[s not forget that as a game show host, he managed to actually kill one of his contestants. Ah yes, Michael Lush. But do you remember in the programme's earlier run some kind of live outdoor car stunt type event that went badly wrong. Some car nearly totalled in what at first looked like a life threatening kinda way. The previously happy chappy commentator reduced top 'oh, jesus christ'. 10 points for the name of said commentator. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:11:12 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Days of Jumbo Records - ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Cooke > Think the staff have changed since I worked there but my friend Adam is > still there. He's the tall, lanky mod with greying curly hair and inevitably > wearing blue or brown cords! Good bloke Adam, worth chatting to in order to source some great new music if you don't do so already. In fact if you do > end up talking to him if you tell him that our paths have crossed on a Wire > newsgroup he'll probably be mightily impressed/amused! Said hi to adam from you the other day Adrian, as I purchased a copy of the latest David Thomas and two pale boys CD for a fiver. Didn't have time to hang around though, so it was a bit more pefunctory than I'd have wished. Incidentally, a while back I mentioned to a non record shop going friend that "I was in Jumbo when I found out..." (can't remember what, but it was good news). He thought 'in Jumbo' was some kind of term for being extremely pleased - which amused me no end. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #195 *******************************