From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #190 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, June 28 2004 Volume 07 : Number 190 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] P.J sed.......... ["P J Kane" ] [idealcopy] Wild Poe [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] recycling [=?ISO-8859-2?Q?N=E9meth_Marcell?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] P.J sed.......... so: Ari lives in rural N. Carolina with recycling bins everywhere. whereas Monochromaic in Columbus (OH? GA?) has poor recycling you have to pay for. on the other hand i live in Cobb County, GA, and they put in a "recycling plant". homeowners get separated trash picked up for free, but businesses, apartment complexes, etc. just dump everything together and there is this big facility over off of County Services Road wherein things get separated (unsure of the details) and _all_ organic waste is composted. my mother owns a home on the other side of the county, and she is entitiled to so many pounds of composted mulch from the plant every year, which she gets for her garden. i live in an apartment, so composted mulch does me no good. however, i do like knowing that all of the tings i put in the trash will be gathered together at the waste collection facility, and metals will be reused, glass will be separated, etc. i think that paper pretty much goes into the "mulcing" process, but still, it's better than a landfill. and the composted mulch is really nice fertilizer! what i think all of this shows is that there is no real consistency in the USA with regards to recycling, etc. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:18:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Wild Poe Jan asked: Curious if there are some reviews from the Podewil performance by Gmb-H last week. Has someone seen or heard already something. There must be some reviews in German papers or so. Try to find out if one of the Neubauten list has been there. ((( Dunno about reviews, but Graham said both nights went very well, full AV documentation (4 cameras on 2nd night). So, who knows, maybe some releasable material there perhaps... 1st thing Graham & Bruce have done in quite a while... Speaking of Neubauten, it was former Neubauten metal basher Mufti who recommended sound man Thomas Stern to engineer the gig... apparently he was excellent... I did mail EN's guitarist Jochen Arbeit (a big Wire fan) about the gig, so perhaps he was there, and maybe he dragged a few of the Nuebauten heads along... EN subscribers such as Jan could ask... Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:24:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?N=E9meth_Marcell?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recycling P J Kane wrote: >so: Ari lives in rural N. Carolina with recycling bins everywhere. whereas Monochromaic in Columbus (OH? GA?) has poor recycling you have to pay for. > >on the other hand i live in Cobb County, GA, and they put in a "recycling plant". homeowners get separated trash picked up for free, but businesses, apartment complexes, etc. just dump everything together and there is this big facility over off of County Services Road wherein things get separated (unsure of the details) and _all_ organic waste is composted. > >my mother owns a home on the other side of the county, and she is entitiled to so many pounds of composted mulch from the plant every year, which she gets for her garden. i live in an apartment, so composted mulch does me no good. however, i do like knowing that all of the tings i put in the trash will be gathered together at the waste collection facility, and metals will be reused, glass will be separated, etc. i think that paper pretty much goes into the "mulcing" process, but still, it's better than a landfill. and the composted mulch is really nice fertilizer! > >what i think all of this shows is that there is no real consistency in the USA with regards to recycling, etc. > As is in Europe too, where countries like Netherlands or the Scandinavian ones have strict and well working programs to collect reusable rubbish, but here in Central or East Europe, sad to say, at the moment it still seems to be the labour-of-love of the hardcore environmentalists only. As far as I know, paper is the material that can be recycled with the best efficiency amongst others (easy to collect separately, no significant energy usage at recycling - just a lot of water), and for the paper manufacturing it can be used as raw material too (not just a second rate worthless material), so it may make good $$$. Plastic material is a difficult thing - if you don't separate it according to the recycling sign (PE, PET etc.) then it still remains rubbish that can't be recycled in an efficient way. As for the metal, iron/steel can luckily be separated using industry magnets, but the cleaning and recycling requires a huge amount of energy and a large scale of expensive equipments. Marci ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:13:09 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recycling In a message dated 27/06/2004 20:35:00 GMT Standard Time, nemeth.marcell@sziget.hu writes: > As for the metal, > iron/steel can luckily be separated using industry magnets, but the > cleaning and recycling requires a huge amount of energy and a large > scale of expensive equipments. > /////its aluminium that requires huge energy to recycle. steel is easily graded and you just lob it into the blast furnace as part of the mix. most easily and widely recyclable material of them all. hence lightweight aluminium cars use less gas but are much more expensive to make and harde to recycle. no one way bets in the real world , as ever. p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #190 *******************************